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Which Certs carry the most weight
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| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-06, 10:52 am |
| I just want to hear people's views on the topic. Which certs do you all think carry the most weight these days and also which direction do you think the market is going to go this year. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-06, 10:57 am |
| 1. CCIE
2. RHCE | |
| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-06, 11:09 am |
| Let me put it this way. Which certs are not considered paper. I got the MCSE and it dontcarry any weight and I am going to continue the cisco track. I just wanted to hear from those in the field | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-06, 12:22 pm |
| Both CCIE and RHCE require paper exams as well as a set of lab exams. You can't braindump your way through either of them. | |
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| Any certification that is in high level technical and adv apply science.
Those may cause you a fortune to get the training and certified. | |
| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-08, 8:55 am |
| The reason I asked is that after i finish ccnp/dp. I want to know which area to combine with the networking side of things.
Ex: networking + databases+ CIW cert
or
networking+ network security
Ultimately I want to get into project management but I want something to fall back on when project spending is down and companies are slow to start new projects | |
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| pseudocyber 2003-01-08, 9:22 am |
| Ditto 2/3 of Freak. CCIE (the more you have the better) and CISSP.
If you want to be "the $hi+", get CCIE multiple times ... | |
| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-09, 7:30 am |
| The CCIE and CISSP although not unattainable
are a few years down the road for me.
I just want to be able to get the most bang for my training dollar. I work for the school
system and they dont reimburse for training . | |
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| A school system that does not believe in education... interesting setup they have there! | |
| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-09, 9:05 am |
| Yeah Freak its quite interesting around here.All I do this for is to get some hands on experience for resume purposes. | |
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| ... and that's a darn good reason to be there!  | |
| pseudocyber 2003-01-09, 2:15 pm |
| Not to worry about lack of training, in my experience it's tough to find an employer that will follow through with paid training promises these days.
My advice, invest in some used equipment and some good books and use the "Nike Method" - just do it.
Or, another thing, start a business - then the training, books, equipment are a business expense. And ... you have EXPERIENCE doing it - if someone wants to check on your experience, use an answering service and have a friend or spouse give the call back! | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-09, 2:20 pm |
| A+
MCP | |
| Carl_Docklands 2003-01-09, 2:57 pm |
| Over here the A+, CIW & RH certs carry about as much weight as a squashed knat.
The CCIE Security cert. is currently the one to shoot for from my chair along with the top Checkpoint NG cert.
I would stress that while the MCSE and other certain papers may have lost their flavour they can be a potent combination if stacked together with other certs.
A well qualified Microsoft consultant with 10 years experience can earn as much cash as a CCIE network expert in London under the current market conditions. | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-09, 3:11 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by ruscorp
A+
MCP
That was meant as a joke.  | |
| Carl_Docklands 2003-01-09, 3:26 pm |
| Hi Russ,
It was general observation, they seem to be pretty popular in the US judging by everyones profile :>
I must confess to never hearing of the "+" certs before logging in here for the first time :> | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-09, 9:10 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Carl_Docklands
Hi Russ,
It was general observation, they seem to be pretty popular in the US judging by everyones profile :>
I must confess to never hearing of the "+" certs before logging in here for the first time :>
I don't think any employers are aware of CompTIA. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by ruscorp
I don't think any employers are aware of CompTIA.
I don't agree with that statement. I think that most employers don't "care" about CompTIA certs if they are on their own on your resume, unless you have A+ and are applying for a fix-it gig.... | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-10, 3:45 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by freak
I don't agree with that statement. I think that most employers don't "care" about CompTIA certs if they are on their own on your resume, unless you have A+ and are applying for a fix-it gig....
My boss thought A+ was an advanced English degree. | |
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| only true if your local market still supports Novell, which mine does not, and has not for many moons... | |
| bcarric 2003-01-13, 9:07 am |
| BTW RATTLERMAN, to answer the second part of your question, I think the market is moving toward open source and web services. If you can do XML, you will be an IT god and make tons of cash. | |
| bcarric 2003-01-13, 9:12 am |
| Yes, that is true which is a shame because Novell has good products. Fortunately, I started with Novell at a University with 22,000 students. We are a huge Novell shop but also run several other platforms. It is definately an exciting place to work! I'm always learning which is more than many people can say about their own jobs... | |
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| agreed. ZENWorks is pretty cool. If Novell ever learns about marketing, good things could actually happen to them for a change | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-13, 10:02 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by freak
agreed. ZENWorks is pretty cool. If Novell ever learns about marketing, good things could actually happen to them for a change
They're still around?  | |
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| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-15, 6:16 am |
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Originally posted by chodan
What is this Novell???
Cutting edge technology, baby! CNN uses it. | |
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| Novell is dead and burried here in my state, except for a bunch of die hards up North who still don't know that WWII is over | |
| everetjo 2003-01-15, 7:52 am |
| novell is interesting. this is my first experience with it, and the "salvage" utility with arcserv alone makes windows look stupid.
let's say a user deletes /poorly modifys a file, no messy restore...right click and salvage..
i agreee with freak, if novell could figure out how to market themselves, good things could happen. | |
| everetjo 2003-01-15, 7:59 am |
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originally posted by ruscorp
"My boss thought A+ was an advanced English degree"
what's is with their stupid names anyway?
it took my boss a few days of explanation before he didn't think i was jerking him around about it
comptia pissed me off with their cheesy diplomas. i got a nicer one from brainbench for my written english professional joke cert. they could't go to staples and get a 5 dollar plaque for all the money we spend? you would think they would give you nicer cards too...
im still going to get the fregin things though. | |
| bcarric 2003-01-15, 8:18 am |
| You're right everetjo, Novell is interesting. They have lots of way cool stuff and a diverse product line. Problem is, not many people know this.  The support is phenomenal and most things you can find an answer for with a quick search through their support database. I can't ever find @%it in M$'s knowledgebase.
As Mr. Linux Guy pointed out, CNN is a big client of Novell. To read how they use Novell and read about many other companies using it, go to http://www.novell.com/success/pastspot.html Other companies of note you will find here are Yahoo!, Wells Fargo, and City of Los Angeles among many others.
Fortunately, Novell is moving in the right direction as far as marketing goes. They've done a lot of restructuring and are starting to get serious with their marketing resources. You still won't be seeing any Novell commercials on the TV anytime soon, but you have to start somewhere. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by everetjo
im still going to get the fregin things though.
LOL | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by bcarric
Fortunately, Novell is moving in the right direction as far as marketing goes. They've done a lot of restructuring and are starting to get serious with their marketing resources. You still won't be seeing any Novell commercials on the TV anytime soon, but you have to start somewhere.
remember that terrible commercial they had a year ago with the goldfish and the David Bowie song? To this day, I still don't know what their message was supposed to be... | |
| bcarric 2003-01-15, 8:49 am |
| Speaking of videos take a look at these. They'll crack you up.
http://www.novell.com/events/videos/index.html
Be sure to look at the 'Flying Boy' Video. They showed this during the keynote address at Brainshare last year. It's hilarious... | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-15, 10:02 am |
| Isn't Novell freak's real name? | |
| darthw 2003-01-15, 6:44 pm |
| There are four or five large organizations in my area that still use Novell, so I think the Novell certs have a lot of potential here.
As for the CompTIA stuff, I, too, find that few know any of their certs, except for A+, but still I learn a lot from studying for their tests, and I think their tests give most of the vendor exams a run for the money in terms of challenge, if not for recognition.
What I think is sad is the large number of techs - several with years of service in IT - whom I currently work with who really knew nothing about certification, and the benefits/knowledge to be gained, before I started there. Several of them could really use the training that prepping for an exam provides. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by ruscorp
Isn't Novell freak's real name?
Nope, but nice try. An A for Effort | |
| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-16, 8:02 am |
| Good point I study the comptia certs for the knowledge base whether or not I take the test
doesnt matter I just want to be able to be conversate on the topic. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2003-01-16, 8:07 am |
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Originally posted by freak
Nope, but nice try. An A for Effort
Linux is his real nom, but he is trying to keep that one under wraps. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
Linux is his real nom, but he is trying to keep that one under wraps.
Oh yeah... anybody who knows me would most assuredly agree with that statement | |
| Prevs 2003-01-20, 10:27 am |
| So what you guys are saying is that CIW is not a good course to study? | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-20, 10:33 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Prevs
So what you guys are saying is that CIW is not a good course to study?
CIW is a great track to pursue. | |
| Prevs 2003-01-20, 10:38 am |
| Well I'm doing it at the moment. Going to do the Foundations exam soon. I just dont want to waste my time and money... What would be a good path to follow? Designer; Administrator or Enterprise Developer? | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-20, 10:44 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Prevs
Well I'm doing it at the moment. Going to do the Foundations exam soon. I just dont want to waste my time and money... What would be a good path to follow? Designer; Administrator or Enterprise Developer?
Master Admin | |
| Prevs 2003-01-20, 10:52 am |
| Thank you very much for your help. I will look into it.
One more thing: How long do you think there's gonna be a market for Administrators? | |
| ruscorp 2003-01-20, 11:00 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Prevs
Thank you very much for your help. I will look into it.
One more thing: How long do you think there's gonna be a market for Administrators?
They'll always be a market for Admins. They need us! | |
| freak 2003-01-20, 12:32 pm |
| remember: it's not all about the demand, it's also about you. For example, RNs are in high demand where I work, and they get paid nice money. It doesn't mean I am going to change course and become an RN. I would be the most miserable RN in the world
So if Webmastering is your thing, then a CCIE is not necessarily something you should pursue... although it never hurts | |
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| RATTLERMAN 2003-01-21, 6:53 am |
| Networks will always be there. | |
| luisjo 2003-01-25, 2:21 am |
| Networks will always be there, just as end users will always be a pain in the but. | |
| orionsworld 2003-01-27, 4:14 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by RATTLERMAN
I just want to hear people's views on the topic. Which certs do you all think carry the most weight these days and also which direction do you think the market is going to go this year.
As far as my company is concerned. Cisco.
They pay spot bonuses for certs you acquire.
CCNA $1500
CCNP $2500
CCIE $4000
And whatever raise you negotiate there after. |
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