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What happened to the good people?
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| It's so hard to find quality help. I can't find anyone worth hiring. All I get is these braindumpers. My organization can't afford to carry any "dead weight" right now. Does anyone know some places where I could find some quality people who know their stuff? | |
| cross36 2002-07-08, 2:12 pm |
| I'm in NJ. How can i be of service to you. I'm located in the hudson county area. | |
| RichardJW 2002-07-08, 7:44 pm |
| Sorry but I've heard that one before and I am simply not responsive to it. Quality people versus what? Just who do you think you are? | |
| dumbut 2002-07-08, 9:34 pm |
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where I could find some quality people who know their stuff?
how much do you know your stuff? | |
| cross36 2002-07-08, 10:24 pm |
| We'll eventually find out | |
| limsam 2002-07-09, 12:53 am |
| It's so hard to find quality help. I can't find anyone worth hiring. All I get is these braindumpers. My organization can't afford to carry any "dead weight" right now. Does anyone know some places where I could find some quality people who know their stuff?
ppd! This is your 1st post and you are already BOASING?
Are you a hiring person or a wannabe? | |
| cross36 2002-07-09, 11:56 am |
| So far new member is not responding. Where are you located in NJ? | |
| onoski 2002-07-09, 3:19 pm |
| ppd, I think you are the biggest waste of time this forum has acquired for sending in a thread message such as this. I bet you are the one with the big mouth that doesn't even know jack yourself. | |
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| good people good for what, sweating it out for 10 bucks an hour so you can look good
or people who are committed loyal hard working but don't know everything but are willing and know how to get information and get the job done
please be more specific
Ed
A+ Question of the Day Guy
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| ppd what happned to the good people??
ask yourself what happened to u before your 1st post here. i can see this is ur first post......plz define quality ????
there r a lot of "quality people" who know their stuff.....if u cant find one, only shows u didnt try hard, or u were too lazy, or the quality people dont wanna work with u. r u willing to pay $70K a year ??? whats ur budget?
please be realistic then post a msg like this....seems like u have a lot of time to kill. | |
| cross36 2002-07-11, 7:05 pm |
| This fool never answered back. Not welcomed. I even tested him | |
| limsam 2002-07-11, 10:42 pm |
| I think that idiot is some useless guy, thinking he is a CEO | |
| NickL 2002-07-11, 11:25 pm |
| {{{{It's so hard to find quality help. I can't find anyone worth hiring. All I get is these braindumpers. My organization can't afford to carry any "dead weight" right now. Does anyone know some places where I could find some quality people who know their stuff?}}}
So, what you are saying is that in the entire NYC/NJ area of 7 million + people you cannot find any "quality people" even with all the decent universities & schools in the area? Doesn't sound right. Or do you have such an elitist attitude that the person must be from the right area of town, attended a highly ranked name college, and worked for the "right companies"?
What type of "person" are you exactly looking for that doesn't exist in the area? or doesn't meet your companies stringent criteria?
Many hiring managers use this arguement before getting an H1-B from the third world who really isn't worth hiring. | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-07-12, 8:59 am |
| maybe hire yourself | |
| onoski 2002-07-12, 1:17 pm |
| QUOTE Originally posted by NickL
Many hiring managers use this arguement before getting an H1-B from the third world who really isn't worth hiring.
That's because they pay them a wage that if you were to be offered would refuse it. I think you should note this NickL, before passing bias comments on H1-B blah blah. | |
| DivxGuy 2002-07-12, 4:44 pm |
| The H1-B is a program designed to deal with supposed shortages of skilled labor; it is not intended to allow business to undercut the wages of Americans.
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| limsam 2002-07-14, 5:59 pm |
| Many hiring managers use this arguement before getting an H1-B from the third world who really isn't worth hiring.
Well, I have to accept. When one real IT expert enters in the H1-B visa, another 99 guys enter using 'his' reputation. It is all marketing! | |
| Nicole 2002-07-15, 6:16 pm |
| It is conceivably possible that that PPD was asking a legitimate question and got shot down. If s/he wasn't trolling, it's obvious s/he hit a nerve anyway!
So I'll take a whack at the original question. I run into a lot of small businesses who really want to know the answer -- maybe one of them is reading???
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My organization can't afford to carry any "dead weight" right now. Does anyone know some places where I could find some quality people who know their stuff?
PPD: Entering a forum full of unemployed IT workers and anxious newbies and insisting there's no one out there to hire is asking for flames! Weeding through a dearth of lousy candidates and wanting tips is a perfectly legitimate question though.
If you can't afford "dead weight," you might want to go with an outside contractor. If they're lame, you can tell them to get out and all you owe them is how long they were there for. If it's a larger company, you can probably call up and demand a no charge visit by virtue of lack of actual work done.
But generally when companies say they can't find anyone of value they:
a) Don't know anything about IT and expect miracles.
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Don't know anything about IT and have gotten a lot of bad advice.
b) Aren't paying enough to attract the skill level they seek and may genuinely need.
c) Have been badly burned by a former employee(s), and have a chip on their shoulder that requires any incoming IT person to be a combination of Steve Wozniak and Ghandi.
d) Expect their IT person to perform non-IT tasks or very low-level tasks like running basic reports or formatting a spreadsheet, but still run a sophisticated network, admin large databases, etc.
e) Are reluctant to hire non-traditional candidates, like older people, those returning to the workforce after a break, or people transitioning to IT who have the skill level you need even if the job titles don't match. (Like admin assistants who've been running a network and telephone system.)
Tips:
- Evaluate your position carefully.
- Try and evaluate a candidate based on the job, not compared to past employees. Just because your last Net Admin always made the coffee doesn't mean it's part of the job description, and just because your last idiot was an MCSE doesn't mean all MCSE's are idiots (but the ratio is high... thanks to those braindumps)
- Compare actual duties to what is expected of the employee.
- Advertise carefully -- exactly what you expect, and include a salary range.
- Hire based on what you need NOW -- if you expect to grow in the near future, try to get an employee with a history of or aptitude for learning on the job. If you find someone that also happens to have the extra skills, then great! If not, you might need to bring in a consultant for that special task, but you can still save $ by hiring at a lower level, and the employee gets the job perk of learning a new skill.
- Compare the salary to skill level ratio to what professionals are actually making in the area. Don't just look through the want ads, it won't necessarily reflect the market reality. Look up local salary surveys and talk to local computer professional groups. They also may be a good place to find candidates.
- If it's an entry level position, consider a newbie or transitional candidate. They'll work for cheaper and be more flexible if you need alternate duties... like formatting that spreadsheet.
- If you need a real pro most of the time and can't afford it, consider a 30 hour work week or part time *with benefits*. In this tight economy, it's one way of attracting unemployed pros without breaking the budget. They'll be much happier working for less than they'd like if they can get more time off to pursue outside contracts.
- Offering flex time or paid training is another way to attract good candidates, and it can reduce employee costs like commuting -- which makes a lower salary more reasonable.
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| RichardJW 2002-07-15, 6:29 pm |
| Nicole, glad to see you posting again. How is your new job going? That is excellent advice. But have you ever considered however, that it is falling on deaf ears for the intended audience? | |
| Nicole 2002-07-16, 9:24 am |
| You're probably right, Richard. But it beats whining about how much I hate my new job  | |
| marathoner 2002-07-17, 5:59 pm |
| You wrote.....
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e) Are reluctant to hire non-traditional candidates, like older people, those returning to the workforce after a break, or people transitioning to IT who have the skill level you need even if the job titles don't match. (Like admin assistants who've been running a network and telephone system.)
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REITERATE: Look beyond your stereotypes of IT. It's not rocket science and you don't have to be a white male in your twenties to do it. It just requires dedication. Look especially at moms returning to the work force. It takes dedication to successfully raise a family. |
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