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An Optimistic thread!
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| limsam 2002-06-27, 8:47 pm |
| Hi
Just to cheer up the 'really frustrated',
Please say
(1) How many of you were retrenched and found jobs?
(2) How many of you are 'glued' to your current job?
I am on 'choice 2' | |
| anthonie 2002-06-27, 9:13 pm |
| I resigned from my previous job to concentrate on doing my MCSE. Then got the current job with the help of my MCSE. And now I'm more or less 'glued' to my current job.
There was a 2-month gap in between my previous and current jobs. | |
| kappagamma698 2002-06-27, 11:04 pm |
| I interviewed for my current job and did not hear anything back for a while and got feed up with my old job and left it with no options and no job lined up an only enough money to get me by 1 or 2 months and then was out of work for a month but during that month I took that savings and went and finished my A+ and ended up getting the job and have been working here for 9 months on contract and I start offically for the company on monday and they even gave me a 14% raise to come over from contractor to full time plus great benefits. And now I am glued to present employeer but would definitly like to move up in the IT DEPT | |
| limsam 2002-06-27, 11:14 pm |
| Two 'good' news.
Hope to hear more. | |
| jackiechan 2002-06-28, 12:05 am |
| I use to do network/desktop support and I gave it up for McDonalds. I remember my interview with the McDonald's manager who asked "Why do you want a job at McDonalds?". I said, "because I am a McDonalds Certified Professional-MCP". I tell you guys that it is so easy to get a job at Mickey D's if you have an MCP. | |
| mikop 2002-06-28, 12:32 am |
| I thought you were a IT professional with 20 years experience working for a government agency doing unix and database support? (not network and DESKTOP support) 
your gospel of how worthless our pursuit of IT advancement would be a lot more entertaining if you can keep your story of how the mighty have fallen consistant. 
how about this for your next advanture, that you are demoted from McD manager trainee to washroom sweeper because they want MCSD (McDonald Certified Salad Dicer) in management?
comeon, I expect higher quality from you! aim for success! | |
| MistyRing 2002-06-28, 3:35 am |
| Come on, don't be modest JC! You were senior management at WorldCom/Enron/Andersens right?
No need to be shy about a bit of bad luck with the auditing. You'll be back on your feet in no time! | |
| Teck Shark 2002-06-28, 8:23 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by jackiechan
I use to do network/desktop support and I gave it up for McDonalds. I remember my interview with the McDonald's manager who asked "Why do you want a job at McDonalds?". I said, "because I am a McDonalds Certified Professional-MCP". I tell you guys that it is so easy to get a job at Mickey D's if you have an MCP.
It's easy to get a job at Mickey D's anyway. All you need to be able to do is say, "Welcome to McDonald's, can I take your order." | |
| Pavlov 2002-06-28, 8:33 am |
| I was laid off from a fun startup - hired back 6 weeks later - reorganized the management team to a bunch of thieves and was laid off again exactly 7 days before Christmas! Thieves who aren't even considerate! Those Bastards! Anyhow, I have spent the time collecting unemployment and studying for 210 and 215 and redecorating the house when I need to take my head out of the books. I've been looking for work casually, not determined enough. But what I see is unrealistic requirements for rediculous pay. So I decided rather than work really hard for little money to not work at all for a little money and improve some skills sets along the way until the job market rights itself again.
I'm one of the lucky few with a spouse that can afford to support me while I wait in line with everyone else for the shitheads at companies like Enron and WorldCom to find another way to screw the general public.
I guess this is not one of the happier success stories of our times, huh?
Honestly, I'm not bitter | |
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| hard_coder 2002-06-28, 8:56 am |
| I'm #2. I like it here, but if something was to happen and I had to get another job then that's life.
I've shown them (the company) I want to be here and they want me here - so I'll stick around and see how things pan out. Life is good and there's food on the table - along with a new GMC Envoy in the garage of a new 4 br home - so no complaining here.
Of course, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side, but I'm not a grazin' cow. | |
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| jeff_j_black 2002-06-28, 10:14 am |
| I'm afraid that jackiechan's biggest ambition is to make 'most active thread' of the week on Examnotes.net. It seems whenever he posts, there is a deluge of activity. | |
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Originally posted by wbafrank
Don't forget "Do you want fries with that?"
its:
"you want fries with that"
its supposed to be a statement not a question that is suggestive to the consumer... you arent asking them if you want fries you are telling them they want fries... | |
| anthonie 2002-06-28, 9:36 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by pist
its:
"you want fries with that"
its supposed to be a statement not a question that is suggestive to the consumer... you arent asking them if you want fries you are telling them they want fries...
What!? | |
| cross36 2002-06-28, 10:16 pm |
| "2" though bad at times. Shows security of having a job and being able to make money. With the economy doing bad. | |
| limsam 2002-06-30, 10:16 pm |
| I guess, in a bad economy, the real reason for 'rejecting ' a suitable candidate is corruption.
The corrupt management would have hired a person internally (most probably a cousin). Then they hold the interview just for regulations' sake or for 'free' advertisement.
Then they give excuses like
(1) We want a graduate if you are not a graduate (then why did me call for an interview)
(2) You are a graduate? we need a diploma holder only. You are over qualified (who cares?)
(3) We need a person with 5 years Oracle/Unix experience, 10 years(!) java experience, and 15 years Netware/Windows NT experience and .................. (Even God will fail that interview)
(4) We need a person with local experience. (Does Windows NT run differently an another state?)
(5) We need a person with OVERSEAS experience.(in frying burghers?)
(6) We need an energetic person (if you are over 35).
(7) (If you are below 25,) we need an experienced person. | |
| RobertBL 2002-07-01, 5:48 am |
| (1) Sort of... I'm getting there, but not quite there yet.
A brief history: Decided after 26 years in USAF working in supply to do what I love. Worked part-time, attended school and received AAS and A+ certification.
Graduated in April and couldn't find a job, so I talked my way into a 30 day unpaid internship with a small firm. After 30 days, was hired on an "as required" basis. Three weeks later (Friday) the boss asked my to work every Wednesday/Thursday morning doing LAN admin and helpdesk support at local church. So now I've graduated from "as required" to part-time. (NT Server 4.0, 65 nodes-- not bad for a start.) In the meantime, I fill out the remaining hours at the part-time job (retail -- non-IT) that put me through school. They've been very supportive, and basically let me work whatever days/hours I want as long as I give them a minimum 20 hours a week.
While I still have a long way to go, I'm progressing and I have no doubt that sooner or later I'll be earning my living working with computers. I'm currently working on Net + and will follow with MCSA.
Three years ago working with computers was only a dream, and today I'm earning part of my income doing just that. I try to remember that persistence is key. Every day brings me closer to the day I'll connect with that dream job that's out there waiting for me. Life is good.
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| kappagamma698 2002-07-01, 10:22 pm |
| RobertBL, that is a good way to get into the field and is what everyone tells those who ask "how do I start in IT" first volunteer if you are good and want to learn they will either hire you or you will have good reference. Then just work your way up. I wish I had a job were I did a little more hands on with computers. With my job I get to imagine what the customer is doing to their computer due to me not being able to get off the phone system ever. This is good experience just due to the fact you have to beable to imagine what is on their screen and what to have them do. It would be much easier if I could sit infront of the PC and work with it instead of being a puppet master to the customer. One day I will eave here for a better job that is more hands on.
Any way good luck and hope they bring you on full time (do they have full time people working for them?) or find a place that will.
Good luck to those who want to try | |
| limsam 2002-07-01, 10:46 pm |
| RobertL
Thanks for spraying optimism into this forums! People should be like you. | |
| praspav 2002-07-02, 4:39 am |
| hi,
Me still hangin on ...
Prashanth. | |
| limsam 2002-07-02, 6:34 pm |
| Hi Praspav
How is the IT market in INdia? You IT guys can find a job? How about the newbies? Are they able to find jobs? | |
| onoski 2002-07-08, 3:29 pm |
| Good thread, but I think volunteering is a good idea but remember the bills have to be paid. Unfortunately, you cannot not volunteer not to pay the bills.
This is reality, thanks limsam for an honest reply as I believe over 95% of interviews carried out are just for formality sake as the job has been offered to someone even before the interview. I am sorry but we decided to offer the job to someone internal as the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. It's the sad truth, but this should in no way discourage you from acquiring or realising your IT career dream. The struggle continues well for me at least. | |
| limsam 2002-07-08, 5:58 pm |
| This is reality, thanks limsam for an honest reply as I believe over 95% of interviews carried out are just for formality sake as the job has been offered to someone even before the interview
I also have seen such incidences. But there are still companies which do not go this way. | |
| Luchnia 2002-07-09, 10:02 am |
| This is a most interesting thread I have seen in a while. I find that most of the time the problems existing in discouraging situations comes from where we place our security. If a man, or woman, is content then what is the problem, anyway?
I have always been blessed in my endeavors, EVEN when I have lost jobs. When we spend our time looking at failing, we fail to look at opportunity! (pun intended)
At this point in my life, if I were to consider my job situation I would be most miserable. I am 47 and basically changed careers mid-stream and walked into a failing IT arena.
I am a Director for a nonprofit agency for at-risk and disadvantaged youth (NOT PAID). I volunteer between 250 and 1000 hrs a year to this organization. You want to talk about discouragment?
I have worked in many career fields and am quite diversified and it has caused me much trouble in getting a job. When I submit a resume I am honest and when people see it they think I am too diverse, and that kills my chances most of the time. They cannot stop to see how I could potentially help their business grow by utilizing all my assets and experience.
I don't care much for sending out a resume chocked full of falsehoods, just to tickle someone's ears, while it is stitched full of lies that would soon be found out....just to get a job. Something seems wrong about that. Out of all the resumes I sent out, I did not even get a courtesy email back from an employer.
I have managed and owned several small companies, up to a million dollars back twenty years ago...that was a lot of money in those days. I have been in business for myself for the last 20 some years. Now do you think anybody is really interested in someone like me? Honestly, they see me either lacking experience because I haven't been in IT that long, or they are highly intimidated by me fearing that I would somehow sieze their role.
Fear is the factor why so many do not get the jobs they need. When that miniscule element is overcome things change. I am thankful as always that my security is in God and not man. In this I continue pressing toward the mark.
My attitude, dedication, committment to honesty and integrity should get me the job without anything else. What I don't know, I can learn. How is that for confidence! I know God has something for me. I just need to be wise enough to see it.
Maybe it is where man puts his faith that brings him discouragment when he falls? Let this be our attitude--if you fall, get back up and press forward with a zeal that is stronger than ever, always looking for the opportunities that is before you!
Peace | |
| onoski 2002-07-14, 12:57 pm |
| Luchnia, thank you for a great reply in all things with God comes success only if we learn to wait and be patient. I am definately pressing towards the mark as I have put so much effort and money in the journey of a career in IT. |
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