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| jackiechan 2002-06-12, 11:48 pm |
| What is the point of doing an MCSE if you are not going to find work after you attain MCSE status? You only make Bill's billionaires richer. Doing a Computer Science degree at a good uni sets you back at least $30,000. Even then can you pay it back with no job? 5 years ago there may have been 90% employment rate for cert or degree in I.T now it seems to be 50% or less. It is a no win situation because I.T expenditure has dropped. What this industry needs is a computer plague or a bluff like Y2k crisis. Otherwise, wait for as long as you like but you will get hungry. | |
| limsam 2002-06-13, 3:42 am |
| (1) Time will change (When?)
(2) But, new younger generations will NOT try to come to IT field. They will select conventional fields like mech/civil/electr. engineering, marketing, management, applied sciences, bio technology etc IF THEY ARE SMART. | |
| RichardJW 2002-06-13, 8:26 pm |
| lol jackiechan, we're just waiting for you to write a kind of doomsday virus. Only MCSE's can fix it for some strange reason - and rich shall be Bill's reward in heaven. | |
| Kasor 2002-06-14, 10:18 am |
| What u think is wrong?
We discuss it long long long time ago that getting your certification is to enhance your skill.
"NOT to get a job. It only help you to get get a job."
We never stop learning! | |
| Nicole 2002-06-14, 10:39 am |
| I am always surprised that so many people think that getting into IT with no experience and minimal training (like an MCSE tech school) should be easy. Wishful thinking, I guess.
Name one skilled profession where this works. Can you be a licensed architect by studying some books at home? A lawyer after going to night school for 3 months? An auto mechanic without ever fixing a car before?
A big part of the problem is unrealistic expectations and outrageous demands on the part of newbie IT workers -- and not entirely their fault; they've been set up. But there's also the fact that there is a glut of lower level IT workers that got laid off in the past few years grabbing up those entry level slots just to pay the bills. As they move up the ladder, those positions will open up again for true entry level people. | |
| Pavlov 2002-06-15, 9:18 am |
| Yeah - what Nicole said!  You always put it so nicely, Nicole. I agree with you 100%.
I guess what I'm a bit surprised about is that we continue to feed jackiechan and his desire to depress the world. | |
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Originally posted by Nicole
A big part of the problem is unrealistic expectations and outrageous demands on the part of newbie IT workers -- and not entirely their fault; they've been set up. But there's also the fact that there is a glut of lower level IT workers that got laid off in the past few years grabbing up those entry level slots just to pay the bills. As they move up the ladder, those positions will open up again for true entry level people.
Darn right!
Then again, I have an MCSE, actually I have two  , and I got laid off, and here I am 3 weeks later, with a new job. Guess what: the MCSE sure helped!
So if you can't find a job with your MCSE, don't blame the MCSE itself. Blame what is lacking either in your resume, or in your area. That makes more sense to me! | |
| wbafrank 2002-06-15, 9:55 am |
| After reading your latest posts on this subject I'm off to phone the "Samaritans" ... | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-15, 1:09 pm |
| The problem is that it is very hard to find a company that will employ someone, train them and allow them to gain experience with them. All entry level jobs I have seen require certs and experience.  | |
| thecomeons 2002-06-17, 9:12 am |
| jackie,
have u considered leaving albania and seeking work in neighbouring countries? |
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