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| CyberDude 2002-06-02, 2:46 pm |
| When is it time to throw your IT hunting sneakers in the corner and step down from the chase? I have been looking for an IT job to start my career for 17 months now with no luck. I believe that soon my certs will be no more than toilet paper when an employer finally looks at my CV and says yes I will give this man a chance. Am I wasting my time by obtaining certs without having a job to back them up? Is the IT Industry just a dream for most, and a reality for the lucky ones? | |
| Zaraspook 2002-06-02, 8:02 pm |
| Don't take life so seriously because it's not permanent. You’re just a victim of the times my friend. I feel your frustration, but that’s life and no one said it would be easy. It’s always been a struggle, but the strong always survive.
Started looking for an IT job about 17 months ago did you? Funny coincidence, that was about the time that the bottom fell out! Was it your fault? No, it was beyond your control!
Were you misled into believing it would be easy? Probably, as the IT industry, especially over the past few years, has been the most over-hyped end of the rainbow easy pot of gold in the new millennium there was.
Are you wasting time obtaining certs without a job? Honestly, if you are doing it at the expense of not having a job in another field and providing for your family, then yes you are wasting your time and, not to mention, hurting your family at the same time! I don’t believe this to be the case!
Are you wrong to believe that soon your certs will be worth no more than toilet paper! Believe me, you will feel differently when the reality is finally this thing turns around and you and your certs will be in high demand. Until that time, do whatever you can to survive my friend! If it means hanging up your hunting sneakers in the corner temporarily, then so be it!
Anything is better than prolonged unemployment. It’s not good for the spirit, not to mention, the pocket book. It doesn’t have to be permanent, only until you can turn your dream into reality! Hopefully, sooner rather than later! Good luck!  | |
| Freed177 2002-06-02, 8:39 pm |
|  Yo don't stop now things will break.
Just keep going. I know that it is easyer said than done.
It was a long road for me to. I started this IT thing 2 years ago. I could not event move a mouse. So off to school I go now mind you I am 45 years of age at the time, and doing construction work. so school was hard especially trying to keep up with the young folks. Well ended up at the top of my class.
But the school closed down. so here I am half train and no school to go to. Not to mention that my construction job layed me off because I was now considered a computer nurd gee 46 and being called a computer nurd. So here I am no school no job and things not looking good an the job front..
Well there is no quitting in my book.. So I bought my own books and stared on the cert trail and job hunt. At any rate to make this story short it took alot of head banging resume writing, news paper throwing, phone calling cert taking, trancender studying , mspress reading , work to get a PCtech job....
Not to mention alot of prayer....
Just keep going | |
| TW2001 2002-06-02, 8:58 pm |
| Obtaining Cert after Cert with no relevant experience really doesnt make any sense.Im not saying give up.Look at what you have been doing.Is it working? No..Time to get another approach.Look further for guidence.Realize most of your advice on this site will be given with a lot of bias.Sure the industry will pick up but to the point where the unexperienced with have boundless opportuntity? I doubt it. I would look to achieving a degree.It holds wieght plus (in my experience) you will make invaluable contacts.You may even swing some work through the Uni..Who knows...Learn something other than MS networking to! | |
| Deja-vue 2002-06-02, 9:46 pm |
| CyberDude
Your Comment scares me because i want to return to Germany some Day.
Are you looking for Jobs Overseas or in Europe?
Looking at some German MCSE-Boards, the Market is indeed frozen up a bit.
Are you set on your Location or ready to move, once you found something?
Here in California, Firms are looking for MCSE's with over 5 years Experience,Cisco-Certified,Oracle-certified and what have you.
Then they pay you the Salary of a PC-Tech... | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-03, 4:03 am |
| Thanks guys for informative comments.
I am looking for other employment at the moment, as at least having a non-likable job is a bit less depressing than having no job at all. I am searching all over Europe for any IT job, but get no answer or a big NO.
I did start on the IT track believing that once certified you can land a job, due to the fact that this is the jargon the schools give you. I will not be that naive again.
It is just so annoying that all my time, money and effort in coming so far has got me nowhere.  | |
| Kasor 2002-06-03, 10:14 am |
| I don't know how many IT job open in Germany , but think what is right for you.
What you looking for might not have any open at this time, have you look into different functions within the field?
Good luck | |
| cross36 2002-06-03, 10:18 am |
| Cyberdude, take this into consideration, with all those certs you are enhancing your knowledge. You want to try a different field, go for it. But try to be a tech teacher for a chance. Ask for intern for a month for free, so you can prove yourself | |
| The VMS Kid 2002-06-03, 10:44 am |
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Originally posted by CyberDude
Thanks guys for informative comments.
I am looking for other employment at the moment, as at least having a non-likable job is a bit less depressing than having no job at all. I am searching all over Europe for any IT job, but get no answer or a big NO.
I did start on the IT track believing that once certified you can land a job, due to the fact that this is the jargon the schools give you. I will not be that naive again.
It is just so annoying that all my time, money and effort in coming so far has got me nowhere.
Learn to program. Programmers are always needed. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-03, 1:53 pm |
| As for working for free in Germany, I believe it is unheard of, especially where I am situated. The church is very rich in Germany, so charities and schools get the big guns. I dont think I have the aptitude for programming, as I have tried to read some books on C++ and java and it just went over my head. I am looking for any IT job that will get me in the door. I even offer to work for less money due to the fact that I do not hold there chamber of commerce qualification. You cannot teach over here without a teachers qual, which means 3 yrs for A level and 3-5 years for a teaching degree.  | |
| The VMS Kid 2002-06-03, 1:57 pm |
| Start out with something like Python. C and Java are not good languages for beginners. here the IT market is really tough, but there is always work for programmers. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-03, 2:09 pm |
| I will have to look into Python, cheers mate. | |
| The VMS Kid 2002-06-03, 2:10 pm |
| www.python.org
After you master that, C or Java will make much more sense. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-03, 2:11 pm |
| Once again VMS Kid, Thank You. | |
| Deja-vue 2002-06-03, 3:26 pm |
| Cyberdude,
In what particular Area of Germany are you right now, if you don't mind me asking?
I mean, i've seen regional differences between, for Example Baden Wuertenberg and
Bremen.
The further you look up North,less successful you will be in your Jobsearch.
In and around Stuttgart is where everything is happening.Big Cities like Berlin, Frankfurt and Munich should be good, too.
Please let me know, what you think. | |
| darthw 2002-06-03, 6:58 pm |
| Keep after it Cyberdude. Even if you take a job unrelated to IT, your knowlege could be invaluable as so many positions use computers. Most of the users I've ever worked with over the last four years know so little about how to enhance their work with computers that someone who works amongst them as non-IT could standout. This could lead to other opportunities (within the companies own it perhaps?).
I looked for nearly two years, and that was over four years ago when the industry was supposedly full of new jobs. I suspect in this economy it will be much worse. However, I do think things seem to be turning around.
If you're not degreed, I'd also suggest you move in that direction. The degree will get you farther than most of the certs will, particularly with little experience. | |
| fishinggator 2002-06-03, 10:05 pm |
| Cyberdude,
Keep it up. Sounds like you've been working hard. While attending school, I hit the pavement looking for a PAID internship. (Had to be paid in order to put my kids in daycare while I worked.) Due to some contacts from school and persistence, it finally paid off. I'm only working part time, but they see the skills and abilities I've attained, while at the same time, "networking" all those contacts and prospective references.
As for the toilet paper, they’re worth a lot more with experience, but they also demonstrate a commitment and ability to learn, and apply yourself to the tasks brought before you. Setting goals and the ability to attain them shows a lot about your character, all of these are very important in any business.
Just my 2 cents.
Robert
CCNA, CNA, Net+ | |
| uoparah 2002-06-04, 7:06 pm |
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Originally posted by CyberDude
When is it time to throw your IT hunting sneakers in the corner and step down from the chase? I have been looking for an IT job to start my career for 17 months now with no luck. I believe that soon my certs will be no more than toilet paper when an employer finally looks at my CV and says yes I will give this man a chance. Am I wasting my time by obtaining certs without having a job to back them up? Is the IT Industry just a dream for most, and a reality for the lucky ones?
Man, youre in the same boat as I am (if you've noticed any of my posts). Only difference is, I have close to 2 years experience with contract work and a short stint at a full-time position. However, I've been unemployed for about 8 months now, and I've basically lost all hope of ever finding an IT job anytime in 2002 (the market is just too bad). FT positions, junior admins, tech support, even OPERATORS, there are no damn jobs!!!! I spent several months getting my certification, but still minimal responses, and no interviews. What next, you might ask....well, I'll probably become a substitute teacher and do whatever odd jobs (sales, etc) I can get my hands on while I go to grad school for business or economics, and from there, POSSIBLY law school. Because I may be only 22, but I'm old enough to appreciate STABILITY, and the IT market doesnt have it. | |
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| well Guys I feel your frustration I have been looking for a full time It job for 21 mths now all I have been able to find are contract jobs and what I consider to be dull boring slug jobs and I have over 8 years experience, last fall I had what I thought was a full time job and turned down another full time position and the one I took lasted only 3mths and the guy who took the other position I turned down is still there..
luck of the draw all I can say is keep at it you will get something and most likely it will be a good one...
I have had 9 different companies interview me in the last 3 weeks and each time made the short list but never made the final cut..
But I keep knocking away
Ed
A+ Question of the Day Guy
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| CyberDude 2002-06-05, 2:21 pm |
| There is one thing that I cannot understand, and that is why people WITH experience are not being employed? I know that about 6 of the jobs I got interviewed for, I would have been selected if I had had experience. I say this due to the fact that I had always came down to the last two (most of the time I had more certs than the other one), but the other person got the job purely because of the experience factor. | |
| Pavlov 2002-06-06, 10:53 am |
| It all comes down to money in todays market. They'll hire the person they can get with the most experience for the cheapest salary. If someone is willing to take a job making 20% less than they made at their last job, then they'll be working sooner, but stuck working harder for less money. I choose to wait it out. I've been out of work since January and just really started looking again over the past month or so. The same ads are still posted. Why? Eventually the employers will realize that not everyone will take and keep a job for low wages and be expected to work 50+ hours per week and make yourself available to on-call schedules. Things will change. (I hope). | |
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| I am going to look for something outside IT,it can continue like this,i have listen to people with vast experience and certs still can get a job,compare with me of no experience. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-06, 12:47 pm |
| I would willingly take ANY IT job at the moment, just as long as it pays more than my unemployment benefit (which is not much - about 600 EURO's). | |
| uoparah 2002-06-06, 8:19 pm |
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Originally posted by CyberDude
I would willingly take ANY IT job at the moment, just as long as it pays more than my unemployment benefit (which is not much - about 600 EURO's).
I'd take any IT job too...my benefits end sometime next month ($300/week)...I'll probably have to take a security job and wait for substitute teaching.... | |
| wbafrank 2002-06-06, 8:31 pm |
| CyberDude probably not what you want but why don't you come back home - the market has slowed that much here and helpdesk jobs range from £16 - 25K pa at junior level. Have a look at this link:
http://www.totaljobs.com/jobseekers/totaljobs.asp
It has some bi-lingual posts as well!! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-07, 2:05 am |
| Cheers Frank, and nice to see that you are back. I hope you enjoyed your R&R with the family. Thank you for the link and I will give it a go.
Honestly though, it is as though I have been blacklisted where ever I apply. I have registered with and applied for various positions via over 30 Agencies in the UK already and have had no feedback or results.
I am looking at being retrained by the German job office, which will give me a Chambers of Commerce qualification, which is one of the things you need over here. My certs are only counted as extras on a CV, and not a proper qualification.
Saying that though, if I can find an IT job, I WILL take it. | |
| RichardJW 2002-06-07, 5:26 am |
| I am a programmer in the UK and I am not even getting interviews. I am registered with a lot of agencies too - they have been of zero use to me. The only interviews I landed were with direct job applications. Yes, you can see that the market is picking up when you look at the job postings but there is still a large glut of people seeking employment. I have commercial experience - the reason why I am not being employed is that people with more experience and better qualifications are taking precedence. | |
| Deja-vue 2002-06-07, 10:57 am |
| Really don't know, why Cyberdude can't find a Job over there.
I just got a Phone # from my Parents, who still live over there. This Company in Northern-Germany is looking for a MCSE with 3 Years experience.I called, talked to one of the Managers responsible for hiring, and after a few minutes, this Guy is asking me to show up for an Interview.Obviously, i couldn't do that.It was just curious,what kind of requirements these guys had.They offered me 3000-3800 Euros to start, plus benefits and what have you.
This was just one Phonecall !
Could be that i was just lucky.
One thing is, and you Guys should never forget, that how you present yourself to them,is very important.
You could have a thousand Certs, and you know your field like nobody else, if you look like an Idiot at the Interview, or say some unapropriate words, you are out of there.
Also, i would have a good and critical look at my Resume. Send it to some of your Friends, let them take it apart, be open to suggestions. What is it that makes your Resume stand out from others? The Employer is looking at a hundred Resumes. Why would he hire you?
If i had send 30 Resumes to Company's and got nothing back, i would have a hard look at my Paperwork.
Now this Post is not against Cyberdude.
It is just a few suggestions, on how to go on and never give up.We have all the same interest here on this Board and should help each other out. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-07, 12:58 pm |
| I do not think there is anything wrong with my CV, due to the fact that the Arbeitsamt have seen and approved it, a couple of agencies and consultants have seen it and approved it also. My problem is no experience, no ausbildungs and no degree. You need at least one of these to fit the bill. I wonder what that company would have said if you had no experience? | |
| DivxGuy 2002-06-08, 2:05 am |
| For job seekers, the current economic environment qualifies as a depression. Most employers just aren't hiring, and until that changes, prospects will be bleak.
I've been out of work for over 11 months, and I haven't had an interview since before Sept. 11.
RD | |
| DivxGuy 2002-06-08, 3:08 am |
| BTW I read today that Seattle has the second highest unemployment rate in the U.S., and that I'm not alone in being out of work for a year.
I see more and more I.T. people announcing that they're leaving the field for more-stable occupations, and I might be joining them.
RD | |
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| You have to remember that when jobs are scarce it becomes an employers market. There is more experience competeing for less money, and corporations are taking advantage of it.
We all will be out of work at some point in time. This job slump is temporary, things will turn back around. I've been in IT for 10 years now and this is the third tech slump I've seen. Keep working on your certs, keep your spirits up and diversify your knowledgebase as much as possible. You may have to travel, but there are jobs out there. | |
| uoparah 2002-06-12, 1:00 am |
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Originally posted by DivxGuy
BTW I see more and more I.T. people announcing that they're leaving the field for more-stable occupations, and I might be joining them.
RD
This is exactly what I have been saying...this field is too unstable for me. You cant stay in IT and support a family and a mortgage...I'm glad this happened to me at 22 and not 32, with a wife and kids and a mortgage or something.
DivxGuy, You mind telling me what kind of qualifications you have? | |
| DivxGuy 2002-06-12, 11:24 am |
| I have a 2-year I.T. credential from an accredited technical school, and I did commercial development from 1994 to 2001. And, of course I have the 3 premium Microsoft certifications.
The biggest reason I can't find a job these days is that I don't have a 4-year degree, which is, and has been for many years, the most important qualification for I.T. where employers are concerned.
RD | |
| RichardJW 2002-06-12, 12:31 pm |
| DivxGuy, I have heard too about the situation in Seattle, however I don't think that a degree is as important as you seem to be implying. What is a standard degree worth? Not much I think. University used to be for the intellectual elite but now your next door neighbour's cat is getting one. We hear these stories from employers who employ fresh faced graduates who though versed in theory know nothing of applying network permissions in real situations. IT is one of the few areas where you can call yourself a software engineer and not need a degree to back you up - this has much to do with the rate that technologies progress in this area - most colleges don't even bother trying to keep up. Employers who know their stuff are entirely pragmatic and don't care about degrees - what matters is the ability to do a job and the number one way to demonstrate this is with a work record - and no recession is going to change that. | |
| DivxGuy 2002-06-12, 12:44 pm |
| Even during the "boom" times, I always had trouble finding a job, while others around me with less experience (but who had 4-year degrees) did not. Lack of a 4-year degree was the reason, I was told.
I didn't have any certifications back then, but now that I do, the employer interest is underwhelming. BTW look at how few MCSDs have been issued. Why is this number so low? Not because it is a very difficult certification to get, because few people think it is worth the effort (because few employers know what it is).
RD | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by The VMS Kid
Learn to program. Programmers are always needed.
no offence but i find that to be a assinine statement... programming jobs are hard to come by especially entry level jobs, it takes much longer in a good economy let alone this mess we have now to find a programming job than an admin job, think about it... lots of companies have networks to admin, how many of those same companies develop software in house? a very small percent... and in this economy no one wants entry level programmers and i hate to say it but there is no school (tech or university) that will give you the skills you need to perform on the job, all they can do is give you the basics... based on the fact that cyberdude has already tried picking it up once and didnt get it / didnt like it, i dont think that that would be the way to go for him... even if he succeeds in learing and getting a job, the majority of programmming jobs out there are really boring in my opinion... i origionally started school in a software development program after programming on my own for around 2 years... i enjoyed making things myself because it was interesting... when i went to school i began to see that i wasnt going to be working on enjoyable projects for a job, id more than likely be developing boring database apps and maintaining and upgrading other peoples software... anyway the point is that if you dont love what you are doing in the programming field its going to be as satisfying as a career in data entry...
also you should look into becomming a mcst and teaching or doing some intern or volenteer work... i think you have plenty of certs for now | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-18, 9:49 pm |
| TW2001,
In the beginning said "get a degree" Period, this is all you need to know. For me I initially was seeking the certs untill I found a degree program at the local jc that comprised alot of ms networking classes. I thought, hect since I want the certs I may as well do a little extra and get an associates. That was two years ago. Now I have no ms certs but have a ccna and an a+. Now I am almost done with my associates and realize that I will need a four year degree. so I will be going to asu in a year to get a bachelors. I am only level one tech support, but am employed and thankfull for that. get a degree. doesn't even have to be computer related but give your slef some type of professional cert. The certs without experince are good to brek into an entry levle job. Or if you already have experince it can give you a promotion. Now that the market is slow there is not a need for inexperienced people even with certs. Having a degree will "help" u get a job in any feild, although it will be most usefull in the specific feild. someone on here once said get a cert to get a job, get a degree to get a carrer. My $.02 cents. | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-18, 10:54 pm |
| Let me put it this way. Here are some real life examples that don't apply to all situations. I don not have a degree. Brother inlaw one does not have a degree. Brother inlaw two has a degree from arizona state(a real university). Me and brother inlaw one an two have some descent certs. Me and brother inlaw one has only a pctech/helpdesk job @ 30k a year/26k. Brother inlaw two has a job with ms for almost 60k. this is first job after graduateing. this is withing the last two years also. He did tech support Helpdesk/pc tech while in college. He also got some certs while in college. NOw you might be a atand t bell lab enigineer from the 60s withot any certs and have a good job, but where does that leave the rest of us? The degree does matter and just because there is a trillion articles on how to program and how to network that doesn't make the person reading them a professional. I could read how to do heart surgery all day but without my doctral nobody is going to let me touch them. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-19, 3:22 am |
| I am now hoping that the Arbeitsamt (joboffice) will give me a two year Umschulung (retraining) which will give me the required IHK (Chamber of Commerce) qualification, so that I can get a job over here. I have a choice of two: one that will qualify me as a PC Technician (Yawn(but my certs will boost it up nicely)) and the other is for a software developer which also comprises of net admin (more interesting, as if I do not find programming interesting I can still do what I originally wanted to)). This retraining also provides 6 months experience, which the pretext that the company you do your Praktikum (practicle training) will employ you afterwards. | |
| uoparah 2002-06-20, 7:14 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by mikeghet
Let me put it this way. Here are some real life examples that don't apply to all situations. I don not have a degree. Brother inlaw one does not have a degree. Brother inlaw two has a degree from arizona state(a real university). Me and brother inlaw one an two have some descent certs. Me and brother inlaw one has only a pctech/helpdesk job @ 30k a year/26k. Brother inlaw two has a job with ms for almost 60k. this is first job after graduateing. this is withing the last two years also. He did tech support Helpdesk/pc tech while in college. He also got some certs while in college. NOw you might be a atand t bell lab enigineer from the 60s withot any certs and have a good job, but where does that leave the rest of us? The degree does matter and just because there is a trillion articles on how to program and how to network that doesn't make the person reading them a professional. I could read how to do heart surgery all day but without my doctral nobody is going to let me touch them.
No personal offense, but not a very good analogy...the med degree will give you hands on and basically teach you about 90% of what you need to know to do the job--but in IT, unless youre in MIT or Columbia or something, a degree by itself dont mean jack squat in terms of getting the job. It mostly helps in terms of getting promotions. Ask me how I know... | |
| cuchullain 2002-06-21, 10:24 am |
| The analogy about the Med thing was not strong but the main point is still vald.
In my little town people with 5 years exp. and a few certs are still getting turned down over some "kid' (no offence inteded) who has gone through a 2 year Comp programmer course at a "high level" University.
The kid has put the time in and should be recognized... The prob I have is if the guys reading the resumes don't see the "old school" where they put their knocks in you are out of the loop...
Whatever happened to doing it on your own, and getting the acknowledgement you worked some crap job, missed your kids growing up,
put togeter a test network, slaved nights, came to bed exhausted and repeated this 5 days a week (7 if there was a cert coming up) | |
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| The thing is......we are in a recession, it is an employers market. They can ask for the world, and they are likely to find it. This is not a good time for career changers or newbies to the IT biz. All of this will change however, and it is changing as we speak. The jobs are there however, you just have to know where to look.
When I got out of the military we were forced to take a course that basically taught us how to be civillians again. They brought in Industry experts to teach us how to find jobs. One speaker for a nationwide headhunting agency said something that has always stood out in my mind, and it is that 80% of all jobs go unlisted by conventional means. Meaning, there is 80% more jobs out there than you see in the newspaper. We were told that the key to tapping the hidden wealth of jobs was via networking.
If you expand your network of professional contacts, you will begin to discover job opportunities that few others know about. It has worked for me several times, and the positions my compnay has open haven't made it to the papers or the internet yet because there is a wealth of employee referals.
Expand you network. | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-21, 2:27 pm |
| Hey thanks cuchullain. I guess it wanst the greatest analogy but it was ok :-). I have only taken one c++ class for my associates. I can tell that every week for sixteen weeks there was a program due. Yeah that may not be corprate size programs but it was alot of work. Now mulitpy that by 20 core classes and a20 general sutdy classes which include advanced math and communications(the biggest thing in a work place). Also next you go for an interveiw ask the guy if he has a degree and the next job u get ask your bos if he/she has a degree. Yu may be surpised. I seen a stat that said only 25% of americans go to college and only 10% of them actually graduate with a 4 year degree. I also seen that people with a 4 year degree make 60% on average than people with out a degree. Also if you get a degree what did you loose. At least you could always be a teacher or manager at a grocery stotre. It may not be computer related but at least you will be employyed. This does't mean you just get a job handed to you though. I have an ucle that was let got from motorolla after 18 years. He has a masters from uofa. Nobody is imune from being unemployed!!! But know he works for sony corp making almost 100k and is soutehrn cal. do you think sony or the big companies would even consider you witout putting in your dues? | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-21, 2:35 pm |
| Here is a very interesting link for u all.
http://www.itcertinfo.com/salaries/...y=14&article=67
If you notice 66% of these people have a degree. That leaves 34% without. I do helpdesk for uofp. I got two unix admins that called me last night. They have good jobs already but they are getting there degrre. Why? Because they want to grow. You get you expiring certs and come back here in ten years and let me know where your at. I think certs are ok but get you degree. I got certs and I am still working on one fo them so don't think I don't know what its like to study for one. | |
| The VMS Kid 2002-06-21, 2:43 pm |
| I already got mine.  | |
| uoparah 2002-06-21, 8:21 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by mwt
The thing is......we are in a recession, it is an employers market. They can ask for the world, and they are likely to find it. This is not a good time for career changers or newbies to the IT biz. All of this will change however, and it is changing as we speak. The jobs are there however, you just have to know where to look.
When I got out of the military we were forced to take a course that basically taught us how to be civillians again. They brought in Industry experts to teach us how to find jobs. One speaker for a nationwide headhunting agency said something that has always stood out in my mind, and it is that 80% of all jobs go unlisted by conventional means. Meaning, there is 80% more jobs out there than you see in the newspaper. We were told that the key to tapping the hidden wealth of jobs was via networking.
If you expand your network of professional contacts, you will begin to discover job opportunities that few others know about. It has worked for me several times, and the positions my compnay has open haven't made it to the papers or the internet yet because there is a wealth of employee referals.
Expand you network.
How? | |
| uoparah 2002-06-21, 8:24 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by The VMS Kid
I already got mine.
Me too, means almost nothing for me but ability to go to grad school... |
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