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| CyberDude 2002-04-06, 11:44 am |
| How does one enter this industry, if there are no entry level positions available? What position should I be looking at to start my career, as I have been applying for evry job that my skills more or less match (apart from the experience required), but I just don't get anywhere.  | |
| AndyC 2002-04-06, 12:40 pm |
| There must be a helpdesk somewhere near you? | |
| CyberDude 2002-04-06, 12:49 pm |
| I don't think there is such a thing as an entry level job in Germany, as all the natives partake in an Ausbildungs (18-24 month training) with a company which gives them all that experience straight away. Uni students gain their experience through their projects and jobs that are exclusive only to students. The job office has said that I could do a two month practical training (using my unemployment money, so it is free work for a company), but unfortunately I have not been able to find a company willing to do it. It seems that these practical trainings are part of the Ausbildung. I am now starting to look globally for one, as I cannot seem to be on the right wavelength for Europe.  | |
| TxBear 2002-04-06, 6:25 pm |
| I've ran in to the same thing, every interview to date they ask me if I have any on the job experience. I just started in IT so I can't say that I do. The only experience I have is here at home & setting up networks for friends & family. And I have also built several computers, but employers don't seem to want to count that as experience.
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| laloca 2002-04-07, 2:05 pm |
| Hi CyberDude,
why not work for a staffing agency, like http://www.manpower.de ?
You can gain some experience with different companies in a relative short time - maybe one offers you a permanent job if they see you have the qualifications they need. And working for a staffing agency (for not so "good" money) is a much better reference than being umemployed for some months. | |
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| CyberDude 2002-04-07, 2:34 pm |
| I already use jobpilot, and others. I am in the process of applying to manpower now. They even have an office near me, so I will probably make a formal appearance as well as an online one. Thank you again for your help Laloca. | |
| laloca 2002-04-07, 2:53 pm |
| CyberDude,
I'm sure someone with your ambitions will get a job soon - but don't despair!! Leaving your country should be your last choise, because Germany is a good job market (many people would be happy having the chance to apply for a job in Germany) and as you can see on the forums here - the situation isn't better anywhere else.
Actually employers can be very selective ... I have to admit - having the choice I would also prefer someone with experience. Salaries are low - also for people with experience - so it's not a question of budget. But also your personality counts and the style and contents of your application and resume. I read lots of them in my position and can have a look on your papers if you like. Maybe I can give you some tips. | |
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| TW2001 2002-04-07, 8:15 pm |
| Exactly. | |
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| I always agree with Laloca.
try manpower.de && kellyservices.de | |
| bluhen99 2002-04-19, 3:34 pm |
| I was a pre-med student, who had never touched a computer until my first IT job. I got it by being promoted from within my company. I started out in Sales/Account Representative, and hated it! So I studied on my own, took some MCSE classes, and begged the IT manager for a job when a helpdesk spot opened up! Even though I am no longer with that company, they have given me the year experience I needed to land my next job. And I got that one in about 3 weeks after i got laid off! It can be done and will be done if you are persistent even when you dont want to be. |
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