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| Crutch 2001-08-16, 1:01 am |
| It seems many posts argue, or at least, discuss the greater possibilities of employment with a degree, rather than certs. I'm the first to agree that the combination of the two is the best, but what about for those just starting out?
Tough, tough question. There are probably no correct answers to this. Employment as a Techie comes in many different forms. Some are able to interview extremely well and get the job that way. Others get some certs and are able to talk the talk, so to speak, enabling them to get into the door. Still others get their 4 year degree.
I think the time has passed where the cert alone will get you into the door. Especially with the economy the way it is today. I have a friend that is having a tough time right now finding work. He moved here from a different city in NM to be closer to his girlfriend. He has over three years of experience with Cisco and NT, has his MCSE and CCNA, and is still having problems finding work. The most common request he hears from propective employers is, "Do you have a degree?" It has pissed him off so much, that he enrolled for the fall term at the local community college for an AAS in Networking.
I have been in this Networking business for over two years now. Before this, I worked in Manufacturing for five years, then was in the Navy as a Mainframe computer tech for six. I found the same problems that everyone else is experiencing. No techie interviews, no techie jobs. So, I decided to take the bull by the horns and get a degree. I worked nights fulltime in Manufacturing, then went to school fulltime during my off hours and days. I was married, had a mortgage, had bills, just like everyone else. And I'm not a young pup like alot of you. I'm 38. You do the math.
I got into networking by selling myself. My previous employer was really impressed that I was able to accomplish a 4 year degree, while working fulltime. Needless to say, I got the job as a Network Technician with no experience.
Fast forward two years. I'm now working for another firm as a Network Consultant. I'm making alot more money than two years ago and I've got alot more experience. I'm letting the employer pay for my certs and I'm getting them slowly.
So, for me, and probably alot of others, definitely get that degree. You'll be able to do more with a degree than certs. It may take you awhile, and you may have to go into debt, but you'll be better in the long run, and so will your employer. | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-08-16, 12:40 pm |
| I agree with you on that Crutch (except that I am a Falcons fan myself). A degree, associates or bachelors will help you in the long run moreso than just certifications.
Even though I'm a little younger than you, I to also worked full time at night at an auto assembly plant and went to school during the day to complete an A.A.S in Computer Networking Technology. I was also married during that time with bills. I was fortunate however that my employer paid for my education.
One thing that I promised myself was not to put a great emphasis on certifications until I finished school. Now that I am finished, I am concentrating on a earning a few certifications (A+, Server+, and maybe MCSE) to put under my belt and compliment my degree and experience. After that, if I see that I need something else to provide and "edge", I will pursue a bachelors in Technical Management.
BD | |
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| I think degree and Cert is a good comparsion.
Degree is something build up and proof of time. Certification is something after that to increase your skill knowledge.
Degree is definitly a long way and build up knowledge.
Certification to backup your skill.
Experience is proof of both.
Need all 3 to work. | |
| plbass 2001-08-16, 7:36 pm |
| Guys, no offence or anything, but to tell you the truth, people like you is the whole reason why i'm getting my certifications so early. I hear so much about guys in their 30's trying to pull themselves into the IT life and only end up in failure and not being able to find a job. I'm trying to avoid that route, so that is why I plan on getting all my certifications (A+, Network+ i have, going for MCSE, CCNA, if i can) before i even turn 20. It doesn't seem like an easy road, but I'll try to get there so that I maybe able to get a job with an employer who is impressed with my skills and hire me. Right now, I'm hoping to just find a part time job next year, but at the current economy situation, I just have a lotta doubts.  | |
| Nicole 2001-08-16, 8:49 pm |
| Plbass, I wish you luck. It sounds like you have a plan, and being smart about your career. It's unusual for a teenager to develop a good plan and stick with it, but the ones that do often turn out to be major players.
However, don't scoff too much at wanting (or needing) to change jobs at 30 (or 40, or 60). It happens to almost everybody.
Certifications expire, though -- it's a never ending story. Don't put all your eggs in that basket.
At your age, you have a big advantage in a tough economy -- you can work CHEAP! If an employer needs just a little extra help, a part time worker that doesn't ask for an arm and a leg can easily be more cost-effective than hiring a $100/hour consultant. (Remember this argument, it would work on me. Just be sure to look up the going rates in your area. Don't use the word "cheap," though  )
If all else fails, go into business for yourself. Even the local McDonald's needs someone to fix their computers every now and then, and aren't likely to question your lack of experience working for someone else if you undercut your competitor's rates by $25 an hour. And since the less-technical populace at large tends to take it for granted that everyone younger than them knows more about computers than they do (often true), your age won't be too much of a detriment. | |
| Trouble Man 2001-08-16, 9:02 pm |
| plbass-
You are very smart to get off on a good foot early. I strongly suggest, however, that you get a degree. I spent 8 years in the Marine Corps, and my biggest regret is that I didn't use it to get my degree. I had a lot of college credits before I went in, too. Instead, I decided to travel the world and party every night. A degree, any degree, will help you get a job no matter what career you decide to go into. A computer certification will only help you in the computer world.
However, if you decide to go straight into the IT field (which is not a bad decision), if you can't get a job at first, try to get any job at a company that has a big IT section. Once you show them you're a good worker and have considerable computer skills and the certs to go with it, then you have an excellent chance of getting a good IT job with that company. Also getting experience by working IT at bare-bones minimum pay is tough, but could work, too. | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-08-16, 9:21 pm |
| You seem very determined @ plbass and I wish you the best of luck. I still say don't overlook getting a degree of some sort eventually.
BD
***Oh yeah, I'm still in my 20's | |
| anu_paradox 2001-08-17, 2:10 am |
| a degree says to an employer that you were willing to commit 4 years (more or less) of your life to learning. employers really like people who are committed and willing to learn. add a couple of certs and that says not only are you committed and willing to learn but also knowledgeable in your field.
certs alone says you maybe know your stuff but there is also a possibility that you cheated your way through or know only whats on the test and nothing more.
of course there is a possibiity that you can have a degree and cheated your way through it but it's way less likely than certs alone. that's why employers like degrees even if its not in the computer field.
i got lucky and manage to get a job straight out of high school with no certs (so it's possible) and now i'm gettting execellent experience. it's only $20k, but that's not bad for living in SC with no experience (well, a year's worth now) and having a flexable enough schedule to go to school for classes i can only get in the day. | |
| plbass 2001-08-17, 4:42 am |
| A degree is what I guess I should aim for also... But the problem is I still have two years before I can get into University (that's IF i can get into university)... My average is high enough for me to get into the University of Waterloo so if I could get in I'd probably be taking computer engineering. So I hope that would be able to compliment my certs as well... A minimum paying IT job for me wouldn't be that bad considering I'm still in high school at the current moment and my parents are still supporting me, so it might be good just to get some experience. hehehe, guess I better study for MCSE2K for those lunch hours instead of playing hearts with my friends. | |
| Gareth Leung 2001-08-17, 7:21 am |
| plbass, I wish you good luck.
For one thing about degree, in my situation, is when promotion comes, having a degree will be a great advantage than just have certs. That's why I'm trying to get a degree by the next two years. | |
| Crutch 2001-08-17, 7:32 am |
| Plbass, I envy you. When I got out of high school in 1982, I knew that computers existed, but it seemed like programming was the only way to go. There were no certs available. There was nothing for a newbie to benchmark their skills with. Many of my friends went on to college to become engineers. I took a different path. I majored in Keg Dynamics.
I didn't really wake up one morning and decide to get into IT while in my 30s. I'd been working in the field since 1988. I knew that if I wanted to get into the field, I needed something to differentiate myself from everyone else. That is why I chose to get my degree.
At my last job, I was the only tech that had a degree. Also, I was the only tech that wasn't an MCSE. But yet, I was senior to many of the MCSE's. Experience is the difference. When I got my current position, I found out that 37 people applied for the position. Again, I was the only one that had a degree (Lots had an MCSE with no experience) and two years of hard-core experience.
So, I guess it depends on what you want. I don't want to be a techie forever. I'd like to get into management of an IT dept. The degree will help me there.
Plbass, you go with your bad self. I think it's great that you know what you want already at age sixteen. Just think of where you could be when you reach my age, 38. That would give you 22 years of experience and probably alot more money. | |
| sauser 2001-08-17, 3:46 pm |
| I am also 16 I have my A+ and going for CCNA i don't even want to waste my money on N+ that i could pass tomorrow without even reading the book. CCNA is less expensive and i am awaiting for my High School to pay for my exam. Currently i work for HP as a sales person and I intern as a programmer at Internet security company. I learned a lot. Now i can program in Java and perl. Also my background in C helped me a lot. I just have a little advice for plbass. While you are same age as me start learning programming. That what will make your mind to work and not just craming networking stuff. Believe I know what I am talking about. After programming everything else seems easy and everything else will be easier for you too. Because programming sets your mind big time. And also it will help you in college.
so good luck | |
| plbass 2001-08-17, 4:59 pm |
| just for the record, i'm 15 at the moment, i just say i'm 16 cuz in a month i'll be 16...  anyways, to me, it seems like I betray computers if i'm just in it for the cash... I'm one of those people who just love computers and would literally devote my whole life to computers. I think I will take your advice sauser and get into programming. It seems to me like hardware cannot get any farther for me, since my experience can only go so high at my age (I don't wanna study straight from a book for a cert, it seems dishonest and makes me similar to those people who have no experience and goes to god forbid IT colleges just to get MCSE and no nothing bout computers), so I guess after win2k pro and server (and probably xp) certs, i'll probably be starting programming.
btw, I wonder how many teenagers like us between the ages of 14-16 are certified? I think we're a special breed... | |
| plbass 2001-08-17, 5:01 pm |
| btw, sauser, was it hard for you to find a job as a salesman? i was planning to find a job sometime soon and i'm wondering if it was really difficult for a teenager like you/me to find a good IT part time job. | |
| sauser 2001-08-17, 5:22 pm |
| Man now sit tight I am gonna start my story.
I have got my first certification when i was 15!! And since then I really started to think what are my options wiht mhy current budget. I tried to find a work with my A+ but i got my certificate when the hard time started during the fail of dot coms. So nobody wanted to hire me nobody i spent so much time just sitting an dlooking for a job. But i also was doing Cisco in school and if i had more money i could have been CCNP by now. Just waiting for my school to pay for my exams. OSrry that was off topic. So basically that was not a long time ago that was before the summer started. I turned 16 in april. So i was 15 just a few months ago. Nobody would give me a job even though i know this one guy who works as Technical Analyst and knows much less than i do and makes about 60 000. So I posted my resumee on monster tried different job fairs. And ones you won't believe it but i came to the fair and this one guy when reading my resumme laughed at me because i am still in high school and he could not believe that I have so many skills at my age. So i was really desperate at that point. Plus i have a gf in NY and i live in seattle and i have to fly pretty often so it was getting on my budget since my parents don't help me much. So anyways i started so called networking. I called all my friends. And i know a lot of people in IT field but nobody was hriing because of crisis. So anyways i decided to volunteer for that guy who works as Technical Analyst 2. It was a pretty good experience but a boring one. TO serve 40 computers in health department. SO anyways then his manager did nto let me to volunteer because as mit appeared to be there was no such program as volunteering for high school kids. Then i did not do a thing. I was just like screw it. You know i went to parties it was apretty fun time. Then I met this one guy who wroked for one of the local stores so he told me to come. And i did ones again they did not hire me because i could not work full time because you know i got school. So i went home and forgot about it. Then one day i get called from marketsource Corparation and that they need salespeople for HP and man they need urgently. So i agreed. It is not much and not everyday but only when they need you. But still 15 bucks an hour. So then I did some more networking through my mom and appeared to be that she knows one girl that works in Internet Security Company as an accountant. I called her right away and sent her my resumee for their CEO. He looked at it and sent me a few assignements. Well in my resumee it says nothing about programming. But he asked me to write a perl script. So i learned prl in two days. And he accepted me. So i program in Java now. But the company through a hard time right now because of the crisis, but i hope that it will be better pretty soon. And that is when i realized what programming is all about before that i was kinda ignoring it because when i started studying C when i was 14 i had a really hard time. But man it makes your mind to think. And plus I love math and stuff and that helped me. Still i love hardware and want to concentarte on hardware more in the future but i don't mind working as a programmer. Electronics kicks XXX. You know in all EE department they make theior students to take programming classes. So you get my point.
Wooh i wrote a lo0t and that is only a little tiny tiny part of what i have gone through. Man that was reallly uneasy and yet still to come. Because i dunno what is my future with this company. But for now we gotta concentrate on school and getting into a good college. Getting a degree. That what will matter in the long run plus you will get more respect from people and I am sure that college is unforgetable experience! | |
| sauser 2001-08-17, 5:24 pm |
| That is the longest thread i published here
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| plbass 2001-08-17, 5:44 pm |
| btw, consider yourself one of the lucky nerds to have a gf... I saw on one forum a guy telling another guy to try the personals. | |
| sauser 2001-08-18, 8:17 pm |
| hehe you are uneerestimating me man!
Well it will be hard for you too!! YOu ll see i was like you too and i though that i would get my certs and i ll get a job!!
haha no man it is not working this way!
Plus i am not a geek!! I do enjoy computers and learning about them but i am not in a geekie level!! I work out spend alot of time with my friends, have fun, used to get a little bit drunk but not anymore! | |
| sauser 2001-08-18, 8:21 pm |
| yeah by the way it took me 5 minutes for hardware test and like 10 for windows! Just a note! It used to be a record in A+ forum.
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| lburns 2001-08-19, 7:39 pm |
| All I can say..I got my Associate degree while working full time, swing shifts, mother of 5 children, married, bills and everything else that goes with it. I really didn't know about any certifications until I got in school. I was taking like 1 and 2 classes at a time depending on my work schedule. I had to do a lot of sacrificing and my family had to be really patient with me, and they were, and they supported me. I am now preparing to take the A+ test. I also have a couple of long term goals of going back to school for my BS. Until then my short term goal is to find a starting job for me in IT. I feel that degrees and certification have their place in this field and depending on who you talk to some prefer experience over it all, because I know of a sitation where two people applied for the same IT job, one had experience and no degree and one had the degree with no experience. You know which one got the job? The one with the experience and no degree. So I guess it all depends on who is doing the hiring right? | |
| Crutch 2001-08-20, 6:18 am |
| You're exactly right. It does depend on circumstances, criteria, and who is doing the hiring. I know that if I was hiring for a technical position like network admin or the like, I'd take experience over certs/degree any day. At the same time, If there is a person that has a combination of experiences, including a degree, certs, and work experience, they will be a more rounded candidate for the position.
I guess it really depends on what you want to do, who you are working for, and the future of the position. In my position at my firm, they required a 4 year degree. One of the reasons for this is they want the position to evolve from a straight consultant role to a managerial role within two years.
I believe Nicole said it best. Certifications seem to always expire or need to be upgraded to keep the cert. A college degree is for life. But just because one has degree, doesn't mean that learning stops there, it has actually just started. | |
| limsam 2001-08-22, 12:57 am |
| Degree has the following advantages
(1) It does not expire. That means your degree is not at the mercy of a money-minded vendor.
(2) You learna lot of real issues. When it comes to certification, you learn what the vendor wants you to know. No questioning, no reaoning. You learn what they say and pass.
(3) You spent 3, 4 years full time to earn it. Does it match someone doing a certification in 6 months? No, it is limited knowledge only.
(4) You have the nearness of wise people who are ready to experiment.
I bet, A degree is the first thing you have to get. A certification is no match to a degree.
Once you get a degree, you can go for the bloody certification since the industry need it.
Sam | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-08-22, 6:48 am |
| Good points @ limsam. Once you get a degree, you are finished with it unless you choose to pursue higher degrees. They don't expire and you can carry a degree into different areas. Almost ALL employers look for a degree of some sort in any industry you enter.
BD | |
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| I can't say I haven't tossed the idea of getting a degree up in the air a couple of times. The truth of the matter is my wife graduated from ISU when she was 20 she worked full time as a resturaunt manager while going to school and was also in a serority at the same time. We have lived in AZ for 3 years now. We are still very young and she has been telling me I need to go to school to make better $$. So 3 years ago I decided to go to school for my A+. I went through the classes and passed my A+ classes but never actualy finished my A+ cert. People in the industry don't take the cert serious. I didn't feel like paying $100 for the cert that didn't make a difference. Anyway the reason I went to school was to advance from customer service to the tech department for HP Pavilion support. I did the support for like 2 years and a friend of mine asked me if I wanted to take a CCNA class with them " I said sure not even knowing what CISCO was". I loved taking the class I just finished with my last class and took my CCNA exam and passed. I have since then been promoted to support for the HP-UX 9000 line of networking equipment. I am now making more than my wife who has a degree so today she called me and told me she starts her masters program next week. So I guess this whole thing about a cert vs a degree is really all about who can make the most money in the long run. If not anything else it has made my wife want to achieve higher goals in her life. Also it has made me realize that a person with little to no experience does not have to take the high road of education to get to a reputable position. | |
| limsam 2001-08-23, 10:58 pm |
| What I want to emphasize are:
(1) If you have a degree with your CCNA, your salary will be higher than what you get now.
(2) You seem to be young. Do not give up your ideas to follow a degree. Select one in IT or Engineering/science.You will value it once you get it. Also, as someone has told already, if you want to climb up as manager, you may, most probably, need a degree.
(3) Do not compare your salary with your wife's and be satisfied. She is just a sample. Collect more samples. See the average.
(4) What will happen if Cisco goes out of business in 5 years? Will anybody care Cisco Certified -----?.
(5) Once I finished my degree and once I got my first certification, I was thinking that I wasted 4 years full time in getting the degree. That time MCSE was a great valuable entity. Now see the value of MCSE NT4! I realized the value of my degree once MS told, "Hey nuts, you are no longer an MCSE after Dec 31 2000. You memorize more "advertisements" in Windows 2000 and pass an exam.
(6) I still continue with that certification game since NOW the industry need.
(7) Finally, think deeply, who started the slogan, "Certification is more valuable than a degree.". Definitely, it was started by a company which makes certification books!!!
Sam | |
| sauser 2001-08-24, 2:02 pm |
| I agree with you all the way man! degree is the most valuable thing. And guys CS is tough shit believe me. After CS degree you will be able to actually think independently! It will get your brains streight. I am speaking of experience. I am only 16 but i work as an intern and soon to be hired part time in a internet security company.I do a lot of programming in Java and perl. Now i start realizing the power of CS. Because I am all self taught. And it is really hard for me to program big problems right now. It takes lotf ofthinking. You know whiteboadring and stuff like that. But it is getting better and better every time i write something. So this job one more time proved to myself that I must pursue CS degree
Alex | |
| limsam 2001-08-26, 8:07 pm |
| Hi
You have a bright future. But, finish your CS degree first.
All the best.
Thanks
Sam | |
| Bobby Digital 2001-08-26, 9:22 pm |
| If you are still in doubt just remember this, degrees don't expire, change, or cause you to recertify.
Good Luck
BD | |
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| After I posted my last reply I started thinking to myself. Maybe I should go for my AAS, so I looked at what CGCC had to offer as far as programs for my associates. There is an AAS in Networking Technology: CISCO. I have already signed up for 3 classes toward my degree.
I was at school taking a UNIX class on Satuday and one of my cisco class mates asked me if I was going for my AAS. I have not thought about it really, I told him. He explained to me since I have completed over half of the credits needed for my AAS I might as well. I said "why do I want my AAS degree" and he imediately said they can take your CCNA away from you but they cant take a degree from you its yours no matter what. That is true and I only have 22 more credits to take so why not.  | |
| limsam 2001-08-27, 11:09 pm |
| Wonderful and carry on.
Sam | |
| AudiRdstrTT 2002-03-20, 6:43 am |
| Ok I'm in the same boat. Degree? or no dregree? I've come to the conclusion that I will get one only because It will only better me. Now my question to your guys what do you think of taking course's on-line? The only real negitive thing that I can think of is that you have to be real self motivated to do an on-line degree. If thats the case I got that figured out already. With the courses i'm taking now at this little school its basically self teaching. So I already know what self motovation is to get myself to actually do the work since I dont have to go to class. | |
| onoski 2002-03-20, 6:56 am |
| One last comment, a degree would take you places for a long long time endless. On the other hand a cert is short term and would probably get your foot in the door. On the long run any serious person would get a degree along the way. There's no substitute, take it or leave it it's your choice at the end of the day and how far you'd want to progress money wise and job wise. Again, just my sincere humbled opinion from experience and good advices from informed individuals. | |
| darthw 2002-03-20, 11:15 am |
| I have taken a couple on-line courses from a local community college for an Associate degree that have been pretty good. I think they are doable, and one can learn from them, but obviously you must be self-motivated. However, be careful to consider online courses only from an accredited public or private college or university - watch out for "fly by night" online trainers. By going with an accredited institution you're more likely to find the credit hours will transfer to another colleger or university, especially the general education courses you typically have to take in the Freshman and Sophomore levels.
A degree is your best long-term bet. I have a BA in English and a couple AAS degrees in
Comp. Sci., as well as certs. Even with a non-CS BA degree I think I have gone much further than I could have with no degree at all. I, too, consider going back for another Bachelor's, but I am on the road so much that internet classes would have to be the way for me. | |
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| here's my take:
experience is #1, more important than any degree or cert
as far as degrees go... tell the truth 75% or more of your college classes really have no bearing on this field and are pretty useless, the few compsci classes that i have taken have been crappy at best. im not agaisnt a degree because it will never hurt you to have one but i dont think its the most important thing... unfortunately i feel that in todays job market where employers get bombarded with tons of resumes for each opening they have adopted the degree as a form of screening out a lot of the resumes they recieve... once the economy gets better i think that the degree will have less weight... if youre young... get out there and start working, i know of a few people who worked for isps and other it companies through highschool and went on full time afterwards, if you want to get a degree while you do it you can take some weekend classes but youth and experience are your assets... | |
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| I have no degree. I've had bad experiences with Community College. I got towards the end of my cirriculum, and they just didn't offer the classes, so I quit after several semesters of frustration. Well when I started thinking about it again, I found out that very few of the credits I had would transfer. That's when I decided to start studying for certs. I needed a little less-delayed gratification than a degree could provide.
I admit that I would probably be further along with a degree. Maybe I'll get one someday. For me to do it I'll need to be given quite a few credits for experience. Perhaps I'll look into it again after I pass get my next couple certs. | |
| CoffeeFreak 2002-03-20, 5:11 pm |
| to me anybody can sit down and read a book and go take any of the basic level exam's, but a degree is telling the company that hey, i spent money, time and whatever else on learning this and i also spent the extra time over and above to get the content out of books to go take the exams,,,
so everyone should have a basic Degree, it will help alot, trust me,,
i will be finishing my Associate's in Network administration this spring, finish my second sememster of the Cisco curriculum and hopefully have my net + before graduation may 9th ,,
that's why i got a degree because everyone i talked to working with computers told me i would regret it later on in life if i didn't and i'm starting to see why........ | |
| darthw 2002-03-20, 8:46 pm |
| True experience counts for a lot. Both college and certifications teach you a lot of theory, some hands on (I hope), and generally how vendors products work. Experience gets you into the day to day nitty gritty.
However, I know there are a lot of techs out there with some of the same certs I have and the same number years of experience. So, I'll take my degrees any day to give me that edge.
Yes, in pursuit of a degree you also take a lot of courses (particularly lower level general education) that don't directly involve IT, but the extra coursework does make one a bit more "rounded".
When I'm in a position to hire, degreed candidates will typically have a more favorable place in the resume stack. Degrees with certs even more favorable. Too many people finish with a degree and stop learning, but we all know that in IT learning must continue. Both degrees and certs provide the paper to HELP show one is on a learning process.
Resumes with degrees, certs, and experience will take an even higher position in the pile.
Out of those at the top of the stack people who have excellent interpersonal skills, positive attitudes, and show a continued willingness to learn (degreed, or not)will have the most chance. | |
| Benoit 2002-03-25, 12:12 am |
| It's good if you know what you want to do and are not out of high school. I was in my early 20s before I knew what I wanted to do!! Sounds like you got a plan too, that's important. I'm taking the advice of others myself and pursueing(sp?) my B.S. degree A.S.A.P. I think it carries a certain thing on a resume like, "Hey, I completed something that takes alot of work". Employers see that and it instantly and majorly upgrades your resume.
There's also some other things I agree with. Certfications are a bonus, they rank number 3 on the rating chart though when rating Experience, Degrees and Certifications. Also, getting in with a good company that has the type of opportunities you want(IT) is very important. Show that company you are a great employee and they generally will reward you. | |
| chodan 2002-03-26, 8:40 pm |
| I don`t have a degree and at this point in my life don`t have the time to pursue one.
Maybe after I do my CCIE I will be able to commit the time to a degree.
I think if I were starting right out of highschool or was in my early to mid twenties I would go the degree route.
I went to trade school and became a barber instead .
for now I think my short term and long goals
will be best suited by the CCIE. After that I`ll have all the time in the world for a degree. |
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