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MCSA Certification
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| hard_coder 2002-01-07, 11:12 am |
| How many of you, like myself, only need the 70-218 test to get the MCSA Cert? | |
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Originally posted by hard_coder
How many of you, like myself, only need the 70-218 test to get the MCSA Cert?
I only need the 218 for MCSA cert.
ea | |
| chodan 2002-01-07, 12:23 pm |
| I was going to get that certification but
after further thought I decided not to.
I asked my self what will it get me?
I have an MCSE "2 of them actually"
will an MCSA get me a job that my MCSE won`t. nope
Will it teach me anything I haven`t learned already? nope
Will it take time away from my CCDA/DP/IE study? yes
I don`t want a cert for its own sake. | |
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| chodan,
Nice lookin' strat
ea | |
| Pavlov 2002-01-07, 12:44 pm |
| Agree with Chodan - If you already have an MCSE then there is no value in the MCSA for you. MCSE is better known. I was going to finish out my CompTIA exams (which for me is just simply A+, Net+, & i-Net+) then start working on my MCSE, but then after MS announced MCSA I figured, I might as well get that since that will put me just 3 tests away from MCSA.
For me I think the MCSA better suits what I actually do. One day I will work towards the MCSE. | |
| chodan 2002-01-07, 1:56 pm |
| EA
Thanks
I have a strat but its not pictured
its a maroon 89 contemporary model.
the "one" guitar the only reason I sell it would be for food hehe. | |
| limsam 2002-01-08, 2:24 am |
| Hi
I am quite sure that MCSE is lower to MCSE.
But, why does much noise come from the internet?
M$ funded?
IF you look at the exams to pass etc, MCSE needs more knowledge and exams to achive. | |
| vbrown 2002-01-08, 6:58 am |
| I'll most likely go for it just to have it--I don't see how it could hurt not to... | |
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Originally posted by kappagamma698
How do you go about letting microsoft know that you have the net+ and A+ to take the place of the elective?
Take a look at comptia's web site. I believe the procedure is to inform comptia of your mcp #s and then they will forward the A+ and N+ info to MS. Then MS will issue you the MSCA cert. I'm not 100% sure, so check with comptia.
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| ComputerMan 2002-01-23, 4:47 pm |
| I think it is ridiculous to have to take 70-218 IF you already have MCSE on Win2000. It should be automatic!
Another Microsoft money maker! | |
| limsam 2002-01-23, 6:26 pm |
| Well said computerman! | |
| TW2001 2002-01-23, 9:30 pm |
| How riddiculous is it that some MCSE`s will go after the MCSA?
Little redundant isnt it? | |
| limsam 2002-01-24, 3:29 am |
| A correction.
It is raaaather redundant | |
| cross36 2002-01-24, 7:21 pm |
| They should just give it to you after completing the four core exams. | |
| MistyRing 2002-01-25, 7:08 am |
| If I interviewed someone who passed MCSA having already done MCSE I would seriously doubt their common sense and therefore ability to do the job.
In point of fact I have interviewed 14 people over the last 2 days but I'm pleased to say none of them fell into the above category! | |
| johndj1 2002-01-25, 7:42 am |
| I agree, the MCSA is a half-way-point to the MCSE. Why go back to the middle of the pack when you're a front runner? | |
| hard_coder 2002-01-25, 8:16 am |
| To a point I agree with the comments about not getting the MCSA if you are an MCSE. If a person was get the MCSA and has an MCSE, I don't see it as a step backwards. I view it as a reinforcement to what you already know. If any employer is familiar with the certification requirements (they darn well better be if they are asking for an MCSE to fill a position in their company), they will know that the tests overlap and that the 70-218 test is an elective for MCSE (as well as a requirement for MCSA). Someone such as myself, I want the MCSA for the administration background in the Win2K opsys and network arena. In my case, it compliments the MCSD and MCDBA. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this happens to be mine - if a person thinks that the MCSA will be beneficial, then they should go for it. If they don't, then no one is putting a gun to your head to get it. | |
| johndj1 2002-01-25, 8:31 am |
| True, it's easy for me to say, I'm not there yet.
I probably would go back for MCSA.
It's something new and there is knowledge to be gained. | |
| Psydefx 2002-01-25, 8:17 pm |
| Please say it again, but only louder... "I DIDN'T GET CERTIFIED TO MAKE MY RESUME ANY BETTER"
A little rediculous, huh? If you have the body of knowledge covered, why not certify and get the other initials. It's called advertising yourself for a position.
The answer to the above statement is that these initials aren't going to impress the IT person, they're there to impress HR. If the IT person is impressed with the MCSE without substantiation, they're lost anyway, so what's the loss.
For $125 you add more credibility to your "brochure". If you have the body of knowledge covered, take the test.
Only an opinion.
Cheers! | |
| MistyRing 2002-01-28, 6:16 am |
| Sometimes you can over-sell though. You know like a Mercedes is a nice car but subtle. It doesn't need stripes everywhere and flames up the side to make it's presence felt.
Sometimes guys with a bzillion certs to their credit come over as - dare I day it - a little desperate. | |
| couch_life 2002-02-06, 7:13 pm |
| I think the MCSA is a good cert to have now while it's being hyped and also be get it as soon as you can before it loses its cred. I disagree too many certs does not seem desperate it just may frighten employers into thinking you are over qualified and likley to
- Ask for too much money
- Get bored really easily and leave after a few months
- Be too demanding on training budgets
But if you have an MCSE and have it a while why not freshen up your Certification with a new one just to keep a hand in. | |
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| {{{I disagree too many certs does not seem desperate it just may frighten employers into thinking you are over qualified and likley to
Ask for too much money
Get bored really easily and leave after a few months
Be too demanding on training budgets}}}
The above pertains more to Masters and MBA degrees, not to mention PHd's more than to certifications. | |
| chodan 2002-02-06, 8:10 pm |
| I have a masters degree from the american fishing institute in hook baiting.
I`m an AFI autorized Master Baiter
Just kidding :-)
An MBA means Jack Squat for an IT job unless you like the business or management end of it.
I for one would rather be in the technical/engineering side of this business.
Don`t get me wrong we need the suits to get us work, I just don`t want to be a suit.
Being a techno geek "suits" me just fine.
NickL
Sometimes I wonder why you are in a Certification forum, you seem to think they are hardly worth your mention and you keep going on and on about getting a degree in this or that.
Thats all well and good but it gets old in a forum dedicated to IT certifications. | |
| timmyq45 2002-02-21, 6:56 am |
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Originally posted by MistyRing
If I interviewed someone who passed MCSA having already done MCSE I would seriously doubt their common sense and therefore ability to do the job.
In point of fact I have interviewed 14 people over the last 2 days but I'm pleased to say none of them fell into the above category!
I respectfully disagree. I went back to get the MCSA because I will be teaching it. Another case imho would be why get the CIW Security Analyst certificate (MCSE + one CIW test) when you are a CISSP? Because it cost me a hole fax to get something I earned in the past!! Although some may consider it a step back, I would point out many NT4 MCSE's did not plan to renew their certs to the 2000 track either, something I consider big mistake because of Active Directory, and because 2000 is flat out better imo.
I do not list all of my certs on resumes - matter of fact where I work no one even cares about any of them. I only list them here. But the next place might and I am always looking towards the future. While I am not a teacher, but a senior analyst who takes care of networks for a bunch of high profile government customers, I also realize that in many places perception is reality, which is shy I am starting a masters. Will it make me smarter? I will learn some things, but the street degree of experience is much more useful. Will I get a higher paying job?? Probably. My view is that more managers are needed with down to earth technical skills than the suits that Chodan so eloquently describes at work. My CIO is the least technical person I know, which is ok, but I want to be the kind of leader who can really relate to the tech folks, because they know what it takes to accomplish the goal. We have way to many "suits" who may or may not be good managers, and even less technically. Whew!! This is the second long one today, and I am done. Have a nice day and realize this is not a personal attack, but an observation. | |
| chodan 2002-02-21, 7:44 am |
| I`ve seen a ad for a job with the statement
"only current MCSE`s need apply" | |
| cross36 2002-02-21, 8:27 am |
| [QUOTE]Originally posted by wbafrank
[B] If I am correct in saying that 218 is based on the four core exams, why doesn't MS automatically give it to those people who have passed them.
I have to go with frank on this one. It's not so much a bland move on MS's part.
Maybe their net is not carrying as many billions as they once were. So they have to pull in assets from other places. Like Exam.
But in all cases. One more paper, one more title. So on we go forward.... |
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