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| goalie13 2002-12-12, 6:16 pm |
| I recently saw an ad in my local paper for a pc/network tech position and decided to take a look. The position was advertised as "Part-Time". It also stressed MAC knowledge.
I called because it sounded interesting and I was told that they are looking for someone to fix laser printers down to component level, also troubleshoot the network, and also be able to do MAC support (all OS and hardware). They also required A+ certification. I was also told that "Part-Time" really meant full-time days with no benefits. When I asked about the money, I was told they are willing to pay up to 8$ an hour.
Now I understand that things are tight in the IT market right now. But I live in the northeast and we have one of the highest costs of living in the US. I do know that someone will take the job. But how can employers expect to get someone of any skill level with that hourly wage and no benefits at all?
Maybe it's just me, but I think that I'm worth more than that. I don't know how the person who can live on 8$ is going to pay his rent, food, gas etc. I do understand the economy, but this is crazy. We spend all our time to become proficient in our job, get certified, and try to build our skill sets and then this is the job offer?
Lucky for me, I have a job which pays reasonably well. I don't need to take any job just to work. Things like this are starting to make me feel depressed. | |
| azimuth40 2002-12-12, 6:31 pm |
| In So Cal. Mac tech do quite well even at minimum it is probably double what they are offering you. Since CompTIA dropped the MAC A+, Mac techs are hard to find. Mac techs that can also troubleshoot printers to the component level are probably non-existant. Then my idea of component level is probably different from others. I at least expect opti-coupler testing knowledge at a minimum.
Since they are asking for an A+ cert and not Apple's own certification, they may have pulled a job description from a many many years old file. Unless you want it just for the experience I would say move along. It will be a continous fight with management that does not understand the base value.  | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-13, 2:26 am |
| yes, that is depressing
i would tell them to try learning all that stuff for themselves and see if they'd accept "up to $8 an hour." | |
| Ian Poon 2002-12-13, 3:30 am |
| I think $8 is very high pay in Hong Kong market today. I see a post in my country "System Analyst" just have 1300USD/month.
The requirement:
- 5yr+ solid programming.
- MCSE, JCP
- Working hour 9am to 6pm (always OT)
- Willing to travel (China)
Crazy! | |
| ndevine8930 2002-12-13, 7:50 am |
| I also feel your pain. The Job market today is joke. The companies that are paying pennies for all these skills they are requesting are only hurting themselfs. I read in a post earlier about the amount of tech's that are out of work. This they know and are gonna squezze and squezze as much as possible out of what they have, and if "I stress if" they allow another person on-board, they will squezze him even harder. If that person told you how much he was getting paid, you would probrably lie to him about how much you were making just so that he does not feel bad. I work for a contract company, and any new people they bring on, they are comming on at 3 dollars less an hour, and no benefits. There is nothing protecting IT wages and that is the reason we are treated like nothing. They know that the market is tight, and that they do not need you, they have 100 people lined up at the door ready to take that penny just for the Exp. When you think about it, they are showing us the same amount of loyalty that we showed them when, alot of us were hopping jobs every 4-6 months for a raise. Now it's comming back to bite us. Im not agreeing with it or anything, jsut trying to look at some rational behind it all. Just my 2 cent's.
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| pseudocyber 2002-12-13, 8:21 am |
| goalie13, it's not just you. Any casual IT "looking" will reveal that companies are asking for all kinds of certification and experience that is insane. No one has all the experience in so many different areas - server, network, programming, desktop, db. Etc. And they want to offer $30K!?!?
yeah right. | |
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| I have to agree with most of what has been said here the Job Market is very tight right now and here in Canada it is even tighter, just think almost every position advertised here where I live recieves between 800 to 1000 resumes, so yes it is employers market and yes that drives down wages but it may or may turn around soon who knows...
Ed
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| RATTLERMAN 2002-12-13, 1:12 pm |
| Its survival of the fittest these days. I remember playing high school football and we had a process of "shaking the tree" to see who wanted "it" bad enough. Those that could
not handle the presssure rode the bench and those that could hang got plenty of playing time. The market will come back it has too thats how cycles go but the key is to be ready when the upswing comes back around.The heyday of the late 90's and early 00's is gone. You are going to have to separate yourself from the pack.
Just my $.02 worth
AGILE.MOBILE.HOSTILE....It"s a Rattler thing | |
| goalie13 2002-12-13, 4:34 pm |
| I am not saying that we as IT professionals shouldn't work hard to "separate" ourselves from those who casually decide to enter the IT job market because of past salary history. I'm saying my freind owns a pizza shop and he pays his employees more than 8$ an hour to make subs. All they need to do is a little OJT and they're all set skill wise. That's fine with me. If you choose not to educate yourself, and decide that the 8$ an hour salary with little or no responsibility is ok with you, then more power to you.
What I'm saying is 8$ an hour for anyone who has any level of education or technical training and some "real-world" experience is insulting. If you have the highly prized "experience" plus Education and certs, then don't you deserve a living wage? I'm not asking for the inflated salaries of the late 90's. We all did well for ourselves back then. But when the average apartment rent is $1200 a month, 8$ an hour doesn't go very far.
I think that alot of It pros have a college education of some sort (ie bachelor's or associates degree) of college education. Also most a least have some certs which we all know take a lot of time and money. But they don't need someone to make a cheese pizza. They want someone to fix the network when it goes down. They don't want to train this person, they want him or her to already know networking skills.
I'm not saying don't do what you must for your family. And I'm not saying hold out for 60K for a helpdesk position. I'm only saying that 8$ an hour for anyone who has already paid his IT dues is insulting. How about 8$ for a new attorney? Or doctor? Maybe going to jail or dying is more important than if a user can print, but I don't think we have fallen to the level of fast food worker. Or have we? | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-14, 3:49 am |
| quote:
...but I don't think we have fallen to the level of fast food worker. Or have we?
i guess in the eyes of the employers, we have... | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-14, 5:23 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by gr33nd4yg1rl
i guess in the eyes of the employers, we have...
I don't think that this is true. Maybe for some people it is, but if you have skills, and keep working at making them better, you can get paid well, and once an employer has you, they will be loath to let you go. A good DBA or sysadmin can often ask for a raise or a transfer to another office and get it because he/she would be too hard to replace if they left. That doesn't mean you can get away with anything, but a highly trained tech with some decent experience is hard to find and once you get one, they will be likely to be a valued commodity where they work. So don't be discouraged by silly stuff like this. Make yourself invaluable; it pays off. | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-15, 4:23 pm |
| As said Mr. Linux Guy it is true that a well trained tech with some years of experience is genuinely hard to find even given all the layoffs. 8$ an hour is a ridiculous wage. I would not work for that in I.T. because I could get a job in catering for that and any employer who thinks they're going to offer that for genuine skills should be placed against a wall and shot. | |
| buckwheat 2002-12-15, 5:40 pm |
| Eight measley bucks/hour working as an IT technician is ridiculous. Where I live I've seen job ads for security guards working for Pinkerton Securities or as a package handler at a FedEx station for $9, even $10 usd/hr and you don't need to be skilled. They would provide OJT. | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-16, 12:45 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by RichardJW
As said Mr. Linux Guy it is true that a well trained tech with some years of experience is genuinely hard to find even given all the layoffs. 8$ an hour is a ridiculous wage. I would not work for that in I.T. because I could get a job in catering for that and any employer who thinks they're going to offer that for genuine skills should be placed against a wall and shot.
yeah, really
what's wrong with people? | |
| Luchnia 2002-12-16, 6:14 am |
| Recently I received a call for a tech support position. The lady read me the requisites over the phone. I mean it was loaded, everything but flying the space shuttle was required of the job.
She kept reading (I was thinking this would pay around 60K)and once she got down to the end of the job requirements she came across the salary. It was $12.00 per hour. I was so amazed. It was a page of specified requirements for the job and yet, 12 per hour. It even stated high stress in an enterprise environment having to be extremely proficient at multitasking, etc. It was clearly a level III tech or systems admin job requiring extreme knowledge and proficiency in a variety of areas. Basically an advertised lie from the employer.
You know, a man or woman of integrity would be highly insulted by something like this. I asked her, what the heck these people were even putting all this garbage in the ad for, and then offering $12.00 an hour? I can sweep floors for 10.00 per hour and all you need to know is how to show up for work. Data scrubs get close to $15 an hour.
I have run across job after job like this now. They will even tell you, "We aren't paying for anything outside of a direct hourly wage, so don't even ask."
Now don't get me wrong, I just expect some sort of honesty in this world. Maybe, I am still in a dream. | |
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| I believe being a construction pay more than that.. ..
No everyone can be IT field anymore... Your interest will not pay off in short term.
Life is *uck, so ... drive on!
That's why happen when we got a bad leader in the govn't and lack of support on lead organization and too much rich people to get more rich.
While poor people get poorer than before... | |
| limsam 2002-12-17, 11:50 pm |
| That's why happen when we got a bad leader in the govn't and lack of support on lead organization and too much rich people to get more rich.
Mr. Clinton, you are welcome back. We will allow you to have as many Monicas as you want as interns. | |
| gr33nd4yg1rl 2002-12-18, 1:44 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by limsam
That's why happen when we got a bad leader in the govn't and lack of support on lead organization and too much rich people to get more rich.
Mr. Clinton, you are welcome back. We will allow you to have as many Monicas as you want as interns.
LOL | |
| pseudocyber 2002-12-18, 8:59 am |
| What!?! The economy was already on a down turn at the end of Clinton's term.
Bush didn't create the .com's. It was under Clinton's watch that they sprang up and wall street went ga-ga over businesses who were selling nothing but promises and everyone else followed.
Clinton was after Bin-Laden for years - did anything happen? No. Bush didn't create 9/11.
To blame our economy on our "bad leader" is ignorant stupidity. Get a clue.
Ps. "rich people getting more rich" who among us doesn't want to get rich and then more rich?
Poor get poorer - get another clue. The "poor" you're referring to have a lot more than most of the world does. TV's. Cars. A roof. Food. Water. Poor is relative. So is Rich. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-18, 9:59 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by pseudocyber
What!?! The economy was already on a down turn at the end of Clinton's term.
Bush didn't create the .com's. It was under Clinton's watch that they sprang up and wall street went ga-ga over businesses who were selling nothing but promises and everyone else followed.
Clinton was after Bin-Laden for years - did anything happen? No. Bush didn't create 9/11.
To blame our economy on our "bad leader" is ignorant stupidity. Get a clue.
Ps. "rich people getting more rich" who among us doesn't want to get rich and then more rich?
Poor get poorer - get another clue. The "poor" you're referring to have a lot more than most of the world does. TV's. Cars. A roof. Food. Water. Poor is relative. So is Rich.
Have to agree. I dislike Bish and his policies, but he did not create the economy. Not really sure how much the president can actually change it either. | |
| goalie13 2002-12-18, 6:12 pm |
| I agree that the President has little to do with the economy. If he could manipulate it, then why wouldn't he make it more robust? The ability to do that would've helped his father!
I think that IT salaries are a direct reflection on the number of people who jumped into this career field to make the big money while it was there. And now a lot of people are still trying to enter IT based on the past. It's simple economics I'm afraid. The law of supply and demand. There are now more IT pros and less jobs available. The employers have the power. Come to think of it, I really can't remember any IT types complaining they were being paid too much... People were jumping from job to job every six months and getting a ten grand raise to boot.
Those days are gone forever. That still doesn't mean 8 bucks an hour is suitable pay for anyone with any experience. Just MHO. | |
| limsam 2002-12-18, 6:53 pm |
| To blame our economy on our "bad leader" is ignorant stupidity. Get a clue
I tell the same. Guess a clue. Clinton was chasing Bin Laden, but he was doing it smart. No 'immature' statements. He acted.
Of course Clinton could not prevent this economic downfall. But he would have coped with it better.
This new guy is JUST chasing oil. No oil in Iraq, he will not care what Saddam does.
IT is OIL politics | |
| pseudocyber 2002-12-19, 11:04 am |
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I tell the same. Guess a clue. Clinton was chasing Bin Laden, but he was doing it smart. No 'immature' statements. He acted.
Really? How so?
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Of course Clinton could not prevent this economic downfall. But he would have coped with it better.
Well, if one President can "cope with it better" that seems to imply that president's are able to affect the economy. And if they can, then why couldn't he have prevented the US recession?
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This new guy is JUST chasing oil. No oil in Iraq, he will not care what Saddam does.
IT is OIL politics
If that were true, don't you think the US could conquer and occupy whatever Mid East country we wanted to?
Of course it's oil politics. OIL is of Strategic Interest to the US. We don't really care who controls it as long as it is available. Sadam can't be relied on to keep it available to the US. He is unstable. This is why he has to go. And that the US just suffered the single largest civilian casualty in its history and has been woken up to the fact that, yes, we are a susceptible terrorist target too, and there are bad people who would like to hurt us and we better get off our @$$ and do something about it. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-19, 12:39 pm |
| It is more about revenge than oil. Conquering all mid East countries would just result in a world war.
Clinton did a little bin Laden hunting as well. He was no more effective than Bush is now (recall the fact that Saddam seems to have taken the place of bin Laden as the evil man of the hour). Clinton tried getting him in Africa but ended up bombing some factory or something of that sort. | |
| ndevine8930 2002-12-19, 3:54 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by pseudocyber
Really? How so?
Well, if one President can "cope with it better" that seems to imply that president's are able to affect the economy. And if they can, then why couldn't he have prevented the US recession?
(So are you saying that the administration has no influence over the economy?)
If that were true, don't you think the US could conquer and occupy whatever Mid East country we wanted to?
(Obviously you have some missunderstanding on how things work in the world.)
Of course it's oil politics. OIL is of Strategic Interest to the US. We don't really care who controls it as long as it is available. Sadam can't be relied on to keep it available to the US. He is unstable. This is why he has to go. And that the US just suffered the single largest civilian casualty in its history and has been woken up to the fact that, yes, we are a susceptible terrorist target too, and there are bad people who would like to hurt us and we better get off our @$$ and do something about it.
I agree, to the point of it being an Interest, that rest is nothing but propaganda. It does matter who controls what. There is no proof that Saddam has ties to Al-queda, just like there is no proof that he has any MOD's. It's all greed and revenge motivated. If it didnt matter who controlled it, then we would have our plans for a Post Saddam Gov., not a post Saddam U.S Occupation. With Control of Iraq, we are no longer under OPEC price fixing, and can turn off and on production and change the prices just like they do. This is all about the dollar. Don't take this as anti-american, just an informed opinion. Why is that he can go from osama to saddam and not skip a beat, but not go from saddam to north Korea the same way? I would think someone that has nukes would be more of a threat than the one that you think has them. Oh, I forgot no Oil over there. | |
| pseudocyber 2002-12-19, 4:55 pm |
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Why is that he can go from osama to saddam and not skip a beat, but not go from saddam to north Korea the same way? I would think someone that has nukes would be more of a threat than the one that you think has them. Oh, I forgot no Oil over there.
Well, like it or not - the US Economy and Society is dependent on oil. If we wanted to bring it home, we could do 2 things - open up drilling in places like ANWAR and the Florida coast, or raise the CAFE standards and force the Auto Manufacturers to get off their A$$ and make some fuel efficient cars. Of course, we don't want to do that, because we don't want to hurt the endangered flavor of the month animal and we don't want to pay more for our cars.
Which forces us to rely on foreign oil, and most of it happens to be under the big swamppy place that's now a desert - the Mid East.
So, yeah, OIL is in our strategic interest.
Now, about Korea, no oil there. True. Also, not really in our strategic interest except for our trading partners in Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, etc. However, unlike Iraq, Korea has a few BILLION COMMUNIST NEIGHBORS who happen to sort of be their friends. It changes the strategic thinking a little ...
If Iraq still had the Soviets, I'm sure we wouldn't be so quick to go over there ... | |
| limsam 2002-12-19, 6:06 pm |
| If Iraq still had the Soviets, I'm sure we wouldn't be so quick to go over there ...
So you accept it is NOT who is the culprit. It is that who is easy target.
Never bother about the justice! That is the politics.
Did US worry when Saddam was killing Kurdish in the 80s? Yah of course! They were supplying arms to Saddam.
Man, politics is dirty. And politicians are w***s! | |
| limsam 2002-12-19, 6:10 pm |
| If that were true, don't you think the US could conquer and occupy whatever Mid East country we wanted to?
They can conquer by dropping some atom bomb. Remember Hiroshima. But they cannot keep it. It is too expensive and man power intensive. ( I mean the number of soldiers you have to post at strategic places.)
How many soldiers can you place in the captured places? | |
| chodan 2002-12-19, 9:01 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by goalie13
I recently saw an ad in my local paper for a pc/network tech position and decided to take a look. The position was advertised as "Part-Time". It also stressed MAC knowledge.
I called because it sounded interesting and I was told that they are looking for someone to fix laser printers down to component level, also troubleshoot the network, and also be able to do MAC support (all OS and hardware). They also required A+ certification. I was also told that "Part-Time" really meant full-time days with no benefits. When I asked about the money, I was told they are willing to pay up to 8$ an hour.
Now I understand that things are tight in the IT market right now. But I live in the northeast and we have one of the highest costs of living in the US. I do know that someone will take the job. But how can employers expect to get someone of any skill level with that hourly wage and no benefits at all?
I live in a rural area of Kentucky and starting wages for someone of that skill level here would range from $10 to $15 per hour plus medical, 2 weeks vacation and sick , 401K and 1.5 overtime.
Of course we aren't oversaturated with IT people here we have a hard time finding with real skills.
The company your reffering to will wind up with someone who snows them into thinking that they have all the skills they ask for but will wind up not being able to do the job.
Sounds like a clueless company. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 6:27 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by limsam
Never bother about the justice! That is the politics.
Justice? That's a new one on me. | |
| HOOLIGAN 2002-12-20, 8:49 am |
| Does every thread have to degenerate into either bottums or Bush ( the Prez that is ).
Supply and demand. If enough will take $8 an hour then they will offer $8 an hour.
All you need is one sharp guy earning the big bucks, and delegating to the monkeys.
I feel sorry for the people getiing big loans and doing their mcse's on the school 'promise' of 60k job at the end. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by goalie13
I recently saw an ad in my local paper for a pc/network tech position and decided to take a look. The position was advertised as "Part-Time". It also stressed MAC knowledge.
I called because it sounded interesting and I was told that they are looking for someone to fix laser printers down to component level, also troubleshoot the network, and also be able to do MAC support (all OS and hardware). They also required A+ certification. I was also told that "Part-Time" really meant full-time days with no benefits. When I asked about the money, I was told they are willing to pay up to 8$ an hour.
Now I understand that things are tight in the IT market right now. But I live in the northeast and we have one of the highest costs of living in the US. I do know that someone will take the job. But how can employers expect to get someone of any skill level with that hourly wage and no benefits at all?
Maybe it's just me, but I think that I'm worth more than that. I don't know how the person who can live on 8$ is going to pay his rent, food, gas etc. I do understand the economy, but this is crazy. We spend all our time to become proficient in our job, get certified, and try to build our skill sets and then this is the job offer?
Lucky for me, I have a job which pays reasonably well. I don't need to take any job just to work. Things like this are starting to make me feel depressed.
I had a lady call me the other day, saying she wanted some one with a MA, an MCSE, a CCNA and a bunch of other certs. Oh, and she wanted to pay $40K for that person too 
I told her to kindly hang up the phone and stop wasting my time... | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 9:23 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by freak
I had a lady call me the other day, saying she wanted some one with a MA, an MCSE, a CCNA and a bunch of other certs. Oh, and she wanted to pay $40K for that person too
I told her to kindly hang up the phone and stop wasting my time...
I know. Some jerk from SmartCertify seems to always get my phone number at work and try to sell me stuff. I hate pushy tactics like that. | |
| pseudocyber 2002-12-20, 10:07 am |
| Yeah - I think part of the IT "glut" in personnel is from these f'n training companies that just teach how to pass a cert with minimal hands on time and promise the $60K starting jobs to NewB MCSE's.
I don't think it will get any better until the people considering entering IT can see all the people on the other side of the certification mills working for $7.50 an hr.
On the other hand, with so much IT people, maybe it will encourage more companies to expand their IT ventures because labor is so low ...
As stated, supply and demand. Maybe, if there's a lot of IT labor supply, that will raise the demand! Let's keep our fingers crossed ...
ps. Sorry to have gotten off topic ... | |
| goalie13 2002-12-20, 10:51 am |
| I agree with all the above comments made about salary and wages. I know that the IT schools around my neck of the woods are having trouble staying in business. I can't be sure if it's because there are sooooooo many of them in the greater Boston area or if people are starting to get the word out that the "60K MCSE" jobs are just a happy memory.
I do know this. The ad which started my clinical depession (ha ha) is back in the paper. So either noone could/would accept that position for the offered wages, or they are trolling for more candidates. Either way, I say good luck to them!
The Prozac is just starting to kick in.....nice | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 10:53 am |
| Some of these companies seem to keep their ads in the papers. There is a telecomm place down here that always has the same adverts in the paper every day even when they are not looking for anyone. Makes no sense to me. | |
| chodan 2002-12-20, 2:43 pm |
| I think the 60K entry level MCSE jobs are more a false memory than a happy memory.
Most of those are based on " I had been working in IT a few years then I got my MCSE now I'm making 60 grand a year!!"
Not "I went from a 18K a year mechanic to MCSE and now I am making 60 grand a year!!"
Crap like that never happened.
Don't get me wrong a mechanic can make the change to IT but he will have to start at the bottom like the rest of us. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-20, 2:54 pm |
| Marketing works wonder, though. Especially if it is something that people want to believe. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by chodan
I think the 60K entry level MCSE jobs are more a false memory than a happy memory.
Most of those are based on " I had been working in IT a few years then I got my MCSE now I'm making 60 grand a year!!"
Not "I went from a 18K a year mechanic to MCSE and now I am making 60 grand a year!!"
Crap like that never happened.
Don't get me wrong a mechanic can make the change to IT but he will have to start at the bottom like the rest of us.
very good point. I worked for a CTEC for a while, and I was always happy that our sales force would not spoon feed that sort of crap to our students. Even from a business stand point, it is a silly thing to lie. I want my students to come back to us, not just come once. That's how you sustain a business through the hard times... | |
| pseudocyber 2002-12-20, 4:09 pm |
| Well, I think everyone would agree it's a lot of being in the right place at the right time.
I was working night shift in a Hospital when I got into IT @ 8$/hr with no experience or certs. 6 years ago.
After 4 years I changed companies and went up to $45k. I had CNA. I think that was about '99. I self learned CCNA and MCSE and got a bump to $52k.
I got the job i'm in now early '01 @ $60K+. I've since picked up A+ and NNCSS.
Soooo I think it's a combination of experience and the certs show a certain level of competence and a willingness to learn and improve oneself. | |
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| I agree. I have said it a million times. It is not experience or certs, it is experience AND certs that will get you where you want to be at salary-wise.
inspiring story, btw  | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-20, 7:00 pm |
| I really don't believe that certifications are anywhere near on par to experience. Also, if you have worked for prestigious companies that is worth a lot more than certs. in my opinion. There is no magic ingredient beyond experience which should denote ability - provided there is the *savoir faire* in the first place. There are other factors but principally it is also about manoeuvering yourself into lucrative positions. This includes making the right contacts but whether you like it or not - it also means having the ability: and ability is accumulated through experience and demonstrated thus. It is also true that given the right contacts it is possible to acquire a good job even though ability is lacking. Yes, much has to do with an opportunistic spirit. If you're one of these people of the latter description, you may not be the best person for a role but that is just the nature of the market. | |
| pseudocyber 2002-12-23, 12:11 pm |
| I WOULD venture to say that IT benefits from having the Certifications.
I can't think of any other fields, besides the Medical field, that has such a wide variety of certifications which someone looking to enter the field can pursue.
Whereas a field without certifications has no avenue for a newbie to demonstrate their interest or their drive and ambition. | |
| RichardJW 2002-12-23, 5:36 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by pseudocyber
I WOULD venture to say that IT benefits from having the Certifications.
I can't think of any other fields, besides the Medical field, that has such a wide variety of certifications which someone looking to enter the field can pursue.
Whereas a field without certifications has no avenue for a newbie to demonstrate their interest or their drive and ambition.
Point taken. The problem is piracy. In principle the idea is excellent. | |
| monkey_stew 2002-12-30, 8:26 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by goalie13
I recently saw an ad in my local paper for a pc/network tech position and decided to take a look. The position was advertised as "Part-Time". It also stressed MAC knowledge. $8/hr
I have one that tops that. A big ski resort/hotel in PA had an opening for IS Admin 3-4 years back. I interviewed and it sounded great. I would do sole admin of 4.11 network w/50 users, some AS400 work, all PCs, all phones & PBX, all radios, all wiring, website, web cams, and a few other odds and ends. $7.35/hr. I was excited when I thought he said seventy-three five but he repeated seven-thirty-five. I kept looking. |
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