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I just got a new tech job!!
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| quicksell 2001-05-10, 12:26 pm |
| I just got a new tech job and i am making $16/hr.I don't have no certifications!! All i have is a high shcool diploma!! I wanted to prove people wrong about having to have education and certifications and i did!!! You know that show that used to come on!! It may still come on i am not for sure. It is called the pretender.I am just like that.I can be anything i want to be from one day to the next.One day i may be a lawyer and the next a doctor.I was in a hospital once and this woman come running up to me and needed medical attention very bad!! She ask me if i was a doctor!! I said i am today!! So let me just tell you that whatever you want to be. You can!!!!! I know everyone will think this is bs!!! I am really that smart!! | |
| Watchdog 2001-05-10, 12:43 pm |
| Congrats on you new job. Yes you are right, you can be anything you want. | |
| stecal 2001-05-10, 3:21 pm |
| Good for you! Now, try pretending you can write well. | |
| dabreeze 2001-05-10, 3:24 pm |
| Is this guy for real? Sounds like this guy is a real dreamer | |
| Daviet 2001-05-10, 3:39 pm |
| Congrats On the job if you really did get it.
But to be honest, And dont take this the wrong way, But I would think people would rather a Certified Person working on their computer, I would also hope a Lawyer/Doctor would be more qualified than to simply have his or her high school Diploma. | |
| boss_9877 2001-05-10, 5:35 pm |
| Good luck on new job. But I wouldn't be too quick to brag on the job because you have no certs or no college degree and probably no experience. In 6 months you might be out the door but good luck anyway. | |
| rw2000 2001-05-10, 5:47 pm |
| OK, so you got a tech job? What exactly are you going to be doing? | |
| je.souhaite 2001-05-10, 6:48 pm |
| He / She is full of it no way , I don't think so , I mean if ijits like that can get a job , what the heck is wrong with the rest of us , I would doubt that they are even a high school graduate.
Hope we find out a little more about the job specks , probably spend all day finding the anykey , no no no I figured it out , editing word docs with wite out.
Serving as a warning to others since forever | |
| Watchdog 2001-05-10, 8:54 pm |
| Just because a person does not have any documented computer experience does not mean that they can't get a job working in the IT industry. In my company, there are several people who have transferred to the IT side with no computer experience at all. As a matter of fact, my company just sent out an internal job announcement to fill a cold fusion position that was just created. Computer experience required: none. They plan to send the person training.
Come to think of it, I think I read in one of quicksell's previous posts, that he was a network administrator for one of the goodwill industry stores. I think he said they had 8 or 9 computer networked together including the cash register. | |
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| darthw 2001-05-10, 10:04 pm |
| HEHE. I like Stecal's post. How true, how true...
Congrats on the new job anyway!
I, too, just got a new Desktop/LAN support position. Most of the techs I work have few or no certs, but they had experience in other areas of the company, then moved into IT. And they seem to know their stuff. So, it is indeed possible.
I wouldn't act like you've proven the whole of the IT world wrong Quicksell. Rather, you should consider yourself very lucky. (I wouldn't give an interviewee a second glance who hasn't bothered to get at least some type of education - certs or college.) Now get some education, so you will be better prepared to move up the ladder. | |
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| You ONLY need a high-school diploma for this IT job...
http://cvgcorpdom.convergys.com/app...36?OpenDocument
I'm applying for a job there today, I will be finished high-school in june, and already have my A+, N+, and CCNA, and hopefully will have my mcp before June as well. Then in Sept, im going to get a degree in CS.
Azam | |
| slapyomoma 2001-05-11, 2:32 pm |
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I just got a new tech job and i am making $16/hr.I don't have no certifications!! All i have is a high shcool diploma!! I wanted to prove people wrong about having to have education and certifications and i did!!! You know that show that used to come on!! It may still come on i am not for sure. It is called the pretender.I am just like that.I can be anything i want to be from one day to the next.One day i may be a lawyer and the next a doctor.I was in a hospital once and this woman come running up to me and needed medical attention very bad!! She ask me if i was a doctor!! I said i am today!! So let me just tell you that whatever you want to be. You can!!!!! I know everyone will think this is bs!!! I am really that smart!!
LOL, ROFL!!!
sometimes it "IS" who you know
sym | |
| Watchdog 2001-05-11, 2:45 pm |
| Azam,
I envy you young guys/gals coming right out high school and college with certs. You guys enter the job market with skills that some us who have been working half our life still do not have.
I guess I am showing my age, huh?
Good luck
Watchdog | |
| slapyomoma 2001-05-11, 2:47 pm |
| Hey quicksell, I mean pretender, stop dreaming and get me some fries and a shake with that order.
sym | |
| je.souhaite 2001-05-12, 5:13 pm |
|  The job description is hardly one for true technicial support , we're not talking even level 1 tech support , its more of a customer service redirection type thing so don't feel too bad guys , certs and experience , toegether or seperately = real jobs.
Oh and umm hold the pickles | |
| je.souhaite 2001-05-12, 5:39 pm |
| This info was taken from the job ad for tech support here is what they really mean , so don't be intimidated by complex sounding job descriptions !
PRINCIPLE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES
Greet customers in a courteous, friendly, and professional manner using agreed
upon procedures. - DON'T SWEAR , YAWN OR BELCH
Listen attentively to customer needs and concerns; demonstrate empathy. - DON'T PUT THE HEADSET ON THE DESK AND WALK AWAY
Clarify customer requirements; probe for and confirm understanding of
requirements or problem. - SAY MORE THAN JUST WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Meet customer requirements through first contact resolution. - GET TO THE POINT I DON'T HAVE ALL DAY
Confirm customer understanding of the solution and provide additional customer
education as needed. - I'M TELLING YA CHECK TO SEE IF IT'S PLUGGED IN
Prepare complete and accurate work and update customer file.
FILL IN ALL THE FIELDS , AND SAVE YOUR WORK
Communicate effetely with individuals/teams in the program to ensure high
quality and timely expedition of customer requests. - ONLY TOOK FIVE MINUTES OF MY TIME SO IT WOULD'NT CUT INTO MY LUNCH
Effectively transfer misdirected customer requests to an appropriate party.
Contribute ideas on ways to resolve problems to better serve the customer
and/or improve productivity.-
SO YOU ACCIDENTLY CUT THEM OFF , THANK GOD FOR REDIAL
Participate in activities designed to improve customer satisfaction and
business performance.- BAD MOUTHING ABOUT CUSTOMERS WITH YOUR CO WORKERS IS A NO-NO
Occasionally use decision-support tools to answer questions. - USING MR WIZARD SAVES TIME
Solve problems that are sometimes unstructured and that may require reliance on conceptual thinking.- PUT THE CUSTOMER ON HOLD WHILE YOU CHECK THE HELP FILES
Offer solutions to issues that are often non-standard/non-routine and require
some clarification. - LET ME PUT YOU ON HOLD WHILE I ASK MY BOSS
Maintain broad knowledge of client products and services. YEAH I CAN USE MS WORD , AND MINESWEEPER
EDUCATION & PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS
High school diploma or equivalent experience.
SITTING NEXT TO THE SMARTEST KID , FOR FINAL EXAMS
CANDIDATE PROFILE
Knowledge of basic computer operations.
Willingness to rotate shifts, as needed.
Ability to sit for six and one-half hours while on the job. - YES I CAN TURN IT ON AFTER THAT , WELL ITS A TOSS UP / DOES SITTING ALL DAY IN FRONT OF THE TV COUNT
Ability to learn. DON'T FORGET WHAT YOU WERE TOLD FIVE MINUTES AGO
Courteous with strong customer service orientation. SAME DEAL , NO YELLING , SWEARING SAY SIR OR MADAME
Dependable with proficient attention to detail. MAKE SURE YOU PUT ALL THE PAPER CLIPS BACK INTO THAT MAGNETIC THINGY
Good listening and responding skills.
Must be flexible with the ability to adapt to changes quickly and think
conceptually. - ZZZZZZZZZZ ... OH NO I'M AWAKE NOW REALLY !
Possess insight into self and others.
Solid problem solving skills. - YES I'VE SEEN THE SIXTH SENSE AND I AM CONVINCED THAT I HAVE PSYCHIC ABILITIES
Some technical knowledge.
I'M ADDICTIED TO FORUMS SUCH AS THIS ONE
THAT'S ALL FOLKS
BEST WEEKEND TO YA ALL , AND DON'T FORGET TO CALL MOM TOMMOROW | |
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| Haha 
Azam | |
| strikeattack 2001-05-13, 7:41 pm |
| Je.souhaite,
Your post made me chuckle.
Quicksell, so did yours, but for different reasons. | |
| druw1 2001-05-14, 10:55 am |
| I want to weigh in on this comment. They guy that said he got a IT job @ 16.oo hr. This can happen. At my company in the MIS department a position was posted for Business Analyst and required a BA, the person that got the job only had a HIGH SCHOOL diploma. I know I retyped his resume.
While I stuggle to earn my mcdba cert. others get by, by WHO they know. Sometimes not all the time its WHO you know not WHAT you know.......gimme your feedback.
A | |
| aldepantzu 2001-05-14, 1:23 pm |
| It goes to show that the tech industry is and will be hurting for a while. When any dope can get a job in a heartbeat you know the respective industry is aching for help.
Hey, it bodes well for the rest of us. With this gutterball in the market we all can expect to be millionaires.
Learn how to spell quicksell; in the meantime my guess is that you box up old PCs. | |
| Nicole 2001-05-14, 3:27 pm |
| I suppose Alaska is really hurting for folks to run the check-in counter at a gray-market computer shop. Wow, $16 WHOLE dollars! Quicksell, you're lucky to have this chance while you still know everything. It wears off when you grow up.
The spelling doesn't bother me so much as the grammar. But I don't have no certifications, so what kan I no? | |
| whoameye 2001-05-14, 4:46 pm |
| I understand that anyone with the right work ethic would and could work in the IT field. But without any certs you can only go so far in your field, if you consider this new job to be a career or just a temp job. I got lucky and found an IT job and now I am going to take this opportunity to excel in the position I am in now or else I will probably be home sending out my resume. Just don't be so brash with your comments alot of people work very hard to get the certs, and just fail at getting the job they hope for. hope you get tested at your work, and find out how much you don't know..later | |
| je.souhaite 2001-05-15, 2:09 pm |
| Unfortunately this is the way the world works , knowing people is the key to getting ahead , resumes are something of a sick joke in the working world , and some people get jobs without them , perhaps this where the proverb "no man is an island " came from , ya just can't do it alone.
words of advice , and this is going to come off as snobby but hey its closer to the truth than anyone would like to admit.
1 choose your friends ,carefully people with money or power usually know the right strings to pull
2 be nice to everyone on the way up you never know who your gonna need to pick you up when you fall down , or slip off the ladder
3 dump the losers in your life they will get you nowhere and drag you down to their pathetic level
4 don't just be the person who shows up for work or school , get to know people , call them by name be personable and friendly , don't just let them see the back of your head as you walk down the hall , or office corridor
5 again don't waste time socilizing with losers , yeah I know how this sounds but your pool playing tobacco spittin , stud faced pierced friends probably don't mind working at the 711 for the rest of their lives , be ambitious !!!!! motivated , its every guy for themselves.
6 when ya get to the top , be nice to others climbing the ladder , you have experienced their journey first hand , and be the first to offer a helping hand.
7 don't neglect family , lovers , and powerful friends they are good for , loans , meals , someone to feed your goldfish and do light dusting when you can't be home .
8 Memorize these paragraphs , like the national anthem , or write them down and carry them with you everwhere.
Serving as a warning to others since forever
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| slapyomoma 2001-05-16, 8:24 pm |
| Companies get burned everyday by these "So Called" Technical People that don't know their A-Hole from their Elbows.
Before long, I guarantee that there will be a very intense placement test for all those who seek IT jobs. The industry was hit by the internet, computer sells, e-business, and all the software that runs everyday life that no one really even bother looking at who knows how to use this stuff. In my line of work, I spend all day putting out fires. Before you know it, one of 2 things will happen...
1) there will be very strict placement exams
2) Outsourcing will take over the industry
either way, you better be prepared.
sym | |
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| hey guys get this..... one more person in my deparment just got a job in the MIS department, on the transition team, as a Business Analyst(spelling). This person doesn't have great skills and no certs.
Figure this one out!
Again sometimes it is who you KNOW, not what you know.
Peace out! | |
| chunder 2001-05-19, 12:13 am |
| don't forget to take into consideration that it's WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT YOUR COMPANY in situations that druw1 keeps mentioning. if someone over in accounting -- who may be a home PC hobbyist/electrical freak -- knows a great deal about the inner-workings of the company s/he works at, and can show SOME competence with what the new IT job entails, chances are s/he will have great chances landing that position. does that make any sense? example: the IT manager where i work started out in the mail room. but that was 18 years ago. i think he learned some things on the way up (and sure, met some people), but he KNOWS how things operate. whether it's programming PICK or upgrading the mainframe, he gets it done.
do i think something like that could happen today? not necessarily -- the industry moves too quickly...
food for thought. | |
| darthw 2001-05-19, 7:15 am |
| Though I'd like to see more intense "testing" of IT personnel. How do you really accurately test a potential employee's many facets? I'm probably not the best tech around, but my communication skills have been way above those of most of my coworkers. Work ethic is difficult to determine from a test taken in 30 minutes. Education can be a helpful guage, but I've worked with an individual with MCSE and a Bachelor's who does not have very good tech skills, however he was one of the more positive techs I've worked with, and that earns points for me. Interpersonal skill can be analyzed during interviews, but many can put up a facade for that, get the job, and be a lazy jerk after that.
As for outsourcing, Slapyomama, I don't know that I'd worry about it taking over the industry. Outsourcing is typically very costly. I have worked on two outsourced accounts. In the first one there were about 20+ techs on staff spread over several locations, and the outsourcing company had been there for years. Because of the large number of techs, and because the client organization saw a benefit not messing with the HR side of IT, the outsourcing contract there, though very expensive, seemed worthwhile. In the second account, there were only three techs, and the company was paying 2.5 times the money they would have paid to their own staff, AND the boss with my outsourcing company told me that the client was actually not paying enough for our presence!! Needless to say the client decided to cancel the contract and hire their own techs. The CIO assured me that it had nothing to do with our service, but he couldn't justify the cost, and I certainly could understand. So, outsourcing works well in some situations, but not all, so I wouldn't worry that every company would jump on that bandwagon. If I am ever in management, I doubt I'd outsource except to use it for short term projects, or part time staffing.
And I am no longer working for an outsourcing organization. HOORAY!! It was great for initial experience, but I found it to be extremely career limiting. If anyone has the opportunity to get a job in outsourcing I would recommend you learn what you can over a couple years, or so, then move on. | |
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| slapyomoma 2001-05-19, 6:43 pm |
| I'm not saying that outsourcing "Is" taking over, I'm saying that if companies continue to hire people like Quicksell to run their Infrastructure (not saying that Quicksell got this type of job) they're going to get burned BAD and the time it takes to interview people to take over the position that a Quicksell just screwed up can be very costly especially when your production and profits are based on your Network...outsource to the rescue.
sym | |
| Nicole 2001-05-21, 10:23 am |
| I'd like to see more skill testing for technical positions. After all, that's what the certifications are supposed to do, but they've become to easy for someone to paper certify.
But all the testing in the world isn't going to tell a prospective employer how well you will fit within the company or any number of adaptive skills under your belt like customer service and stress management. It's still gonna be about who you know, what your references say and what your employment/education history says about you. And probably most important, how well you present yourself on your resume/the phone/in the interview.
But I think skill testing will help good folks break into the industry (or break into a different field) with non-traditional backgrounds, and help those employers weed out the untalented paper MCSE's from the computer geniuses who have only hacked around their own computer but have a wealth of knowledge. | |
| chunder 2001-05-21, 11:25 am |
| i think i like the skills tests for interviews. i interviewed for a job where, in order to make it TO the interview, one had to take a little test to measure the skill level. it wasn't anything crazy but i am sure it was an applicant weeder.
needless to say, i didn't get the job but did make it to the second interview (had i more Unix experience i think i woulda had it).
and at the interview is where you show them what you're like... your personality, your wit, your humor, etc. | |
| JennyWren 2001-05-25, 7:15 am |
| Whilst studying for my MCP from home...I obtained 2 peer-to-peer contracts. And at that time the going rate for students was $20-$25/hour, so quicksell I wouldn't yell to loudly about your $16/hr this just goes to show that your education can get you a lot further faster. If you did get this IT job my guess is it's going to take you alot of years to even get to a students rate. | |
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| Good for you........
People with college degrees and/or at least some form of certification are earning more than $50/hr which can go up to about $100 or more.
Yes! you can get a IT job with just a high school diploma, but there are various categories of IT jobs. So how come you didn't mention exactly what you are doing.
I want to know and am sure they are a lot of people out there who are curious too. So humour everyone. | |
| acoopmcp 2001-06-01, 1:06 pm |
| I don't think finding an IT job is hard. I think the biggest problem is finding an IT job that's right for you. This is especially true when you come into this field with loafty expectations.
I speak from experience of course.  | |
| exar07 2001-06-06, 4:36 pm |
| That is great! That is a good step, but if I was you I would persue some certs. At least the following:
1. A+
2. MSCE
3. CCNA |
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