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why CCIE is an important Certification to achieve
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| chodan 2002-04-02, 8:55 pm |
| TO me it is one of the few certifications that can`t be dumped.
In my mind it would be impossible to pass this test via a brain dump.
The CCIE will provide for me "if I pass it" undenialable proof of my skills.
Anyone who claims "they know someone" who passed it with a brain dump is either lying or just not too bright.
Anyone agree?
Anyone disagree?
Sorry for the rant I saw some posts awhile back talking about CCIE dumps and got sort of PO`d. | |
| Soray 2002-04-02, 10:54 pm |
| If you are talking about the CCIE lab yeah that is impossible. But if you want to cheat on the CCIE written, it is possible, but why. Why the F... would someone even do that.
Unfortunately, I do not own any routers, but I will be buying some lab time pretty often very soon. With the certs I have, I earned them by reading books over and over and over, until it sync. I have bought Examessentials, but it gives you more than a answer. It tells you why it is the answer and here is the reference. It helps me to get some type of questions.
Yes, when you earn your CCIE lab cert you will be recognized, and you will be in the big leagues. If anyone think they can cheat there way up, well guess what........ | |
| haseeb_eng 2002-04-03, 4:16 am |
| i agree | |
| chodan 2002-04-03, 8:00 am |
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Originally posted by Soray
If you are talking about the CCIE lab yeah that is impossible. But if you want to cheat on the CCIE written, it is possible, but why. Why the F... would someone even do that.
Unfortunately, I do not own any routers, but I will be buying some lab time pretty often very soon. With the certs I have, I earned them by reading books over and over and over, until it sync. I have bought Examessentials, but it gives you more than a answer. It tells you why it is the answer and here is the reference. It helps me to get some type of questions.
Yes, when you earn your CCIE lab cert you will be recognized, and you will be in the big leagues. If anyone think they can cheat there way up, well guess what........
Yes the lab
I can see someone getting the IE written that way but LOL it would be funny to see them in a lab envirinment.
I would suggest the Sybex CCNP lab simulation while your building your home lab.
While they aren`t CCIE calibre labs they will get you to a certain level of comfort on the CLI.
You will eventually need a real lab though. | |
| ramlax 2002-04-03, 10:01 am |
| I remember reading a post in this or maybe on cramsession.com about how a guy who was just starting to study for CCNP said he knew more than a CCIE at his work.
I'm sure this guy was more knowledgeable in one little area in the vast world of internetworking and to feed his ego he thus deemed CCIE worthless and experience the only true proof of knowledge.
If you don't use the knowledge you have assimilated it will go stale. So if someone asks a CCIE in a management role who hasn't touched a router in 2 years (recertification max time allowed) a question and he/she doesn't know that just means the person hasn't touched the routers in two years. I'm sure he/she will know what the person is talking about and find the answer on CCO in 10 minutes.
I will deem all CCIE's geniuses in my book. To study and memorize and then apply that amount of knowledge a tremendous accomplishment that in my mind withstands all knocks of "paper" certified claims. | |
| tan.phan 2002-04-03, 11:05 am |
| LOL! Passing CCIE lab by dumps or copying from someone else? No way! No offend to MCSE but this is the most prestige IT certification out there.
One must know his/her stuff to walk into that lab and walk out passing. | |
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| Chodan, what about buying labtime from http://www.ccbootcamp.com/ is that enough. They have quite of few toys to play with. I need some hands-on somewhere. CCNP simulaters will be a good start | |
| chodan 2002-04-03, 7:06 pm |
| looks cool.
I`d like to do a alotof labs while preparing for mine | |
| The Ghost 2002-04-03, 8:12 pm |
| Just buy your own routers.
Thats what I am doing.
I got 3 routers so far.
Will get 20 one day and take over the world! | |
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Originally posted by chodan
TO me it is one of the few certifications that can`t be dumped.
In my mind it would be impossible to pass this test via a brain dump.
The CCIE will provide for me "if I pass it" undenialable proof of my skills.
Anyone who claims "they know someone" who passed it with a brain dump is either lying or just not too bright.
Anyone agree?
Anyone disagree?
Sorry for the rant I saw some posts awhile back talking about CCIE dumps and got sort of PO`d.
Yup, I agree with you. ALthough I am too much of a coward to actually consider going for that cert at this stage  | |
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| I think the only way a cert can show that you really know your stuff is in a live lab test. That's why the CCIE cert is the only acceptable proof of your actuall knowledge. If microsoft did that, the MCSE cert would actually have some value. | |
| Bolero 2002-04-03, 10:41 pm |
| I agree that the MCSE, as it is, is worth very little. Even after I've completed that track, I just didn't feel comfy proclaiming that I'm a W2K MCSE. Guess I wasn't confident enough.
I guess that bottomline is that the lab exams take the CCIE to a different league from the rest of the "paper-only" certs. If MS came up with a tough lab exam for the MCSE, I'm sure it'll become one of the 'sacred' certs like CCIE.
I used to respect other certs until I saw, first hand (painful), how easy it was to pass with a few dumps. Some of these new "CCNA"'s and "CCNP"'s (yup, dumps can do THAT much these days) outright disgust me...I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to be their job interviewer...with some hardware at the interview...
Having said that though, I concede that some of you with more experience and knowledge might point at me and say the same too...
For the lab training and hands-on, I think that if you're gonna go ALL the way, it would be a good investment to get some hardware now. Watch for IOS versions and make sure it doesn't get outdated by the time you take the lab. | |
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I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to be their job interviewer...with some hardware at the interview...
I've actually done that in an interview and caught two potential candidates out....the interviews were going really well and then I gave them a written paper followed by a practical assessment- you should have seen the looks on their faces!! | |
| chodan 2002-04-04, 6:45 am |
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Originally posted by freak
Yup, I agree with you. ALthough I am too much of a coward to actually consider going for that cert at this stage
Well I`m not doing the lab anytime soon.
I`m looking a 3 months for written,or end of june.
Then 7 to 12 months for the lab.
My goal is to ace the written hence the long study time, so I`ll be on the best footing to attack the lab.
I think you could do it though.
Heck your more advanced than I am. | |
| chodan 2002-04-04, 12:51 pm |
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Originally posted by The Ghost
Just buy your own routers.
Thats what I am doing.
I got 3 routers so far.
Will get 20 one day and take over the world!
Can`t afford to buy.
My employer can though.
My boss and I are stocking the lab rack now
in a few months we should have enough equipment after we are through with some of our network upgrades.
Right now its got 2 2500`s a 2600 coming out of service soon along with a 3640
thats going to probably be our frame cloud.
We will get some other 2500`s and ISDN simulators, and probably move in a couple of 3548 switches into it "replacing them with 3524 pwr models or 4000 or 6000 series switches to migrate to ip phones"
It`ll take awhile to get it together but after we are through with it our company will be able to rent it out or use it to teach with. | |
| josemn 2002-04-10, 11:47 am |
| When I go to the Worldwide CCIE Presence page in the Cisco web site and see that 10 years have gone by and there are 7400 CCIEs in the whole [B]WORLD ... I don't know about you guys but that impresses the heck out of me! 
There are more job offerings for MSCEs than for CCIEs... that might be a fact. But then there must be 20 times more MSCEs out there than CCIEs, hence the ratio of job opportunities for CCIEs is greater (not to mention the compensation).
CCIEs in the growing IT world are like gold... rare and hard to find. Good for us, huh? Well, that is if we pass! | |
| MadChef 2002-04-10, 8:12 pm |
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Originally posted by josemn
CCIEs in the growing IT world are like gold... rare and hard to find. Good for us, huh? Well, that is if we pass!
Hell, they're two for a nickle in my neck of the woods.
Or maybe that's just me.
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