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| lcooper 2001-05-29, 12:55 pm |
| Hi members I thought I should post a comment from a indivdual that just completed his CCIE track..
From: Arturo Molina
Hi all,
The process I used for my CCIE preparation was the following:
1. I took the CCNP/CCDP track.....one by one (not Foundation).....using
Cisco Press and Osborne/McGrawHill books mostly (also I took some
courses
from Mentor and CCTI)
2. Then I went for the written. This was a very difficult test for me,
because it is memory based and it covers a lot of material. Most of
the
information you will need for that test is in the CCO. I will
recommend,
reading all the material and taking it once in order to measure the
level of
the test and then you should be able to focus on your weakest subjects.
3. The CCIE Lab is all about being able to spot the issue. First you
have
to know all your theory (the one that you learned with your CCNP/CCDP
and
the written) then you will need to start spending a lot of time
practicing
different scenarios, try accessing a nice Pod of routers and if you can
a
Terminal Server will really help. I didn't have access to the Cat5000
or
the ISDN Sim, so I used some VLAB's from Mentor.
I took a BootCamp in ARS Limited in Virginia. That was a very good
course!
The only things you have to memorize are this names: Kennedy Clark,
Jeff
Doyle, Bassam Halabi, Andrew Bruce Caslow and Valeriy Pavlichenko. Get
those
books!!!
Good luck,
Arturo Molina
CCIE#7484, MBA, CCDP, CCNP
Panama Cisco Certification Study Group Facilitator (PCCSG)
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| Yankee 2001-05-29, 4:51 pm |
| Dang lcooper, I think I remember when you were working on your CCNA!
I better start paying more attention cuz I didn't know the CCIE numbers had even reached 7000 let alone gotten to almost 7500!
You seem to say that the written was harder then the Lab and I have to say that is the first time I have ever heard anything like that.
In any case congrats!
Yankee | |
| Transylvanian 2001-05-31, 3:43 pm |
| Yankee,
too much studying...read again...
It's not lcooper who passed the CCIE as yet...
But he will :-)) | |
| lcooper 2001-06-01, 6:49 am |
| Unfortunately Transylvani is right,its not me who has just pass the CCIE lab but a member of the Atlanta group study.I post the comments made by him to let people know that cisco career certification was meant as stepping to stone to ccie and not a substitute for the expert level certification and you are right about one thing Yankee the #### are getting higher, but that doesn't mean that number of CCIE head count is getting larger.One head-hunter consulting group predicted by the year 2003 the number of experts needed to install cisco advance equipment will be around 20,000 CCIE.Can you imagine 20,000 ccie walking this planet.Not in millon years will there ever be a that many ccie with current certification valid and this is the main reason why at the expert level you demand high level projects with high level pay scale. | |
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| Hats off to ya!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| raocisco 2001-06-08, 8:14 pm |
| Thanks for letting us know what is happening in CCIE world.
Good luck to you all.
Raocisco | |
| akohli8745 2001-06-09, 5:59 am |
| Well if you see, that the number of CCIE's has not changed. About 50 to 100 pass a month around the world.
But, the same number are not requalifying (remember you have to requalify every 2 years).
Also, I know that they are making the CCIE harder. THey are now failing about 50% of the people if you get to the troubleshooting stage. This eliminates most of the people who do not have hands on experience with the equipment.
I think it is good cisco is doing this. I would hate to think I have spent so much time on this qualification and in the end it turns into a situation like the MCSE qualification (not putting anyone down.)
What do you guys think? | |
| phunktoad 2001-06-19, 12:20 pm |
| I agree with akohli8745, the MCSE certification is utterly worthless to anyone who knows anything about how the industry functions. I've lost count of the number of "MCSE's" who I have repeatedly had to correct on issues which seem like fundamentals in my book.
Its a little refreshing to have a certification which actually MEANS something. The MCSE only means you can pass an exam, not know the technology. The CCIE is a hard long trail where they absolutely drill you on knowing the theory inside and out. Once you've demonstrated that, you must show that you can use your knowledge for practical purposes in the lab. I wish every certification had something as complex as that. It would at least make me feel a little better about some of the letters behind my name. =) | |
| JUT-PUNJAB-DA 2001-06-24, 7:34 am |
| Hi,
phunktoad
quote:
The MCSE only means you can pass an exam, not know the technology.
I disagree with your comments about MSCE(though i am not MCSE Certified).
Infact you are discouraging MCSE Certified
individuals by that statement.
MCSE is getting down it's market status,due to the fact that one can pass it using dumps only.If you know the technology behind the MCSE,you may agree with me it's definitely a technology.Those individuals who have achieved MCSE with a lot of hard work,commitment and practice,Don't loose your heart,because at various sites,while hunting for my job;most of them want you to be mcse certified as well.
Infact "Paper MSCEs" are the main reason of that "MCSE is considered to be not a technology"
There should be a way to get rid of these "Paper Certified Individuals" from the
industry;otherwise a time will come when all the certifications loose their identity.Believe me. | |
| phunktoad 2001-06-24, 7:26 pm |
| You're only proving my point in your statements. Considering the number of MCSE's who exist purely because they cheated on the exam, its a rather hopeless cause.
MCSE should stand for Microsoft Certified SALES Engineer, because any more thats all its good for, the introduction of more Microsoft Certified individuals and thus more Microsoft sales.
I am an MCSE, and I achieved it through studying hard and real world experience, not someone else telling me the answers to questions. I have worked long and hard for everything that I have done, and it cheapens my certifications that I have because of people who cheat and DON'T know the technology.
I look like some sort of godsend when compared to anyone with paper certs. Most of my business comes from paper certs who fail at a project, the company they were working for fires them, and then they hire me to fix in hours what they had messed up for weeks, sometimes months.
So don't get me wrong, I like paper certs, they help me gain more respect once clients get to know me and my effectiveness. However, they do cheapen the overall value of my certifications.
scott | |
| JUT-PUNJAB-DA 2001-06-25, 7:02 am |
| You may be right,I don't want to discuorage you. | |
| bugmn99 2001-06-29, 6:46 am |
| The only people who can "de-value" any certification are the people who possess it. They are the true representatives of what that certification implies. If the people doing the hiring (across the field as a whole)begin to notice that people with a particular certification turn out to be a true asset to their organization, then that cert will always stick out as a good thing in the back of their minds.
Conversely, if they notice a trend of certified people who need an inordinate amount of expensive training and hand-holding, then yes, the cert will eventually be de-valued.
It's ultimately the responsibility of the people holding the certification to ensure that their hard work isn't wasted. If they suspect themselves of being a "paper cert", then they owe it to themselves and everyone else with that cert to learn their stuff and be able to implement it. Otherwise, the next time they walk into a job interview or new position and make themselves look like idiots, they'll make us all look like idiots.
Wow. Can you feel the passion? I think i broke a sweat on that one! | |
| kwoksir 2001-07-03, 6:57 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by bugmn99
Otherwise, the next time they walk into a job interview or new position and make themselves look like idiots, they'll make us all look like idiots.
I like that.
BTW, here is an interesting link for reference:
http://www.crn.com/sections/special...ArticleID=25726 | |
| sauser 2001-07-05, 11:45 pm |
| well I agree that cisco does a good thing but guys don't u think it should be less expensive i mean common a thousand bucks to take some exam! think about that!! there are a lot of guys who don't have that much money to pay but they do have knowledge and experience!! In my opinion it is not fare especially for a company like cisco to charge people this much!! | |
| vr2zjw 2001-07-06, 1:31 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by sauser
well I agree that cisco does a good thing but guys don't u think it should be less expensive i mean common a thousand bucks to take some exam! think about that!! there are a lot of guys who don't have that much money to pay but they do have knowledge and experience!! In my opinion it is not fare especially for a company like cisco to charge people this much!!
Well, I am not quite agree with that. If you are ready for the exams, you should have a few year networking experience and quite a good jobs and the exam fee is not that much consider the return on investment. Even with US$1250 per attempt for the lab, the lab is still fully book for half year!
Certification game is all about supply and demand. If the market demand those cert, people are willing to pay those exams. fee. And that's why MCSE exams fee are cheaper that cisco, because this is what the market willing to pay for the rewards. | |
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| Yes. I talk this topic with my friend who get his MCSE last week. He told me that even if it somehow worthless, guy who don't have it might be worse ...  | |
| jagooch 2001-07-15, 3:45 pm |
| Ahh, the age-old value of certification discussion. My first certification was MCSE (May, 2000) and just the preparation for it really filled in a lot wholes. Before that I had spent about 10 years doing things like repairing mainframes(hardware level,no software), done a ton of PC/Macintosh support, and administrated huge Banyan Vines network. With all this hands-on experience, I stilled learned a ton from my preparation for the MCSE exams, and more again from preparation for CCNA and CCNP certifications.
For the person taking the certification exams, he can benefit a huge amount by preparing well for each one, including noting topics that warrant study beyond the scope of the exam. For the employer, the initial value it holds is that the certification show the individual had the drive to do the work recquired to acheive it. During the interview the employer can see easily determine the depth of the applicants knowledge by asking situational questions (what is the best way to deal with situation X?). The certification can hold more value after the hiring process as the employer can show that his employees are a step above the rest, and allow that certified employee to add his knowledge to that of others in the company.
Paper CCNA's, MCSE's, and so on are pretty easy to weed out in the hiring process, as long as the interviewer is properly selected. I think company's hire paper anything do so because they have a non-technically qualified person do the interviewing.
In addition, I have compared my knowledge against the person who have learned everything hands on, and found their skills to be very narrow in scope. They know the ins-and-outs of the way things are, know the quirks of certain systems, but aren't very good at considering the many possible ways of completing a task and don't seem too concerned with finding a better way of doing things. "What works works, especially if it takes 3 times as long as another method and scores me some more overtime." :-)
So, from this short analysis, I come to the conclusion that hands-on experience is important, but certifications provide a wider scope of options, and most ofter, more efficient solutions to a companies IT needs.
With this said, I have minimal hands-on experience with Cisco equipment, but by working with a LAN/WAN techinician over the last two weeks, I see that everything works on the real equipment the same way it is described in the books. I am always happy when I type in a command on a real router/switch and see the output is the same as what was printed in my certification study guide. It makes all the work and long hours of studying worth the effort. | |
| Retired-Mod 2001-07-15, 6:59 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by vr2zjw
Even with US$1250 per attempt for the lab, the lab is still fully book for half year!
Worse then that...Next seat available for the lab in NC is end of March. Want sooner? Try end of February in Halifax. That's the best ya can do in those two places for us east coast people.
Retired |
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