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Server+ / Network+ How similar are they?
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| foxmedia 2002-11-29, 10:47 am |
| Would appreciate any input into this question. I am now studying for 70-210 and 70-215 and notice questions toward servers. Wondering if studying/gaining the knowledge/taking the Server+ first would assist in preparing for the 210-215. Have A+ and Network+ and have limited experience with servers. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you. | |
| Supertech 2002-11-29, 12:49 pm |
| The CompTIA Server+ certification exam validates the knowledge and abilities of individuals with 18 - 24 months of experience with Industry Standard Server Architecture (ISSA). Server+ certification establishes the test candidate's ability to install, configure, diagnose and troublshoot server hardware and network operating systems.
That's the official CompTIA responce.
The exam is very experience oriented. That's why they call it an advanced cert. where the others are entry level. A+ & N+ are a good build up to S+ but some hands-on experience is a definate plus on this one. Cruise thru some earlier posts to get some great insights to the exam. As well as recommendations for books and study guides. Feel free to ask any questions as we like to help. Good Luck. | |
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| my understanding was that there was about 20% of the Net+ material in the SRV+ test... is that true? I have not taken the srv+ test, and probably won't at this stage, but it would still be nice to know  | |
| foxmedia 2002-11-29, 3:32 pm |
| Thanks for the response. I would also be interested in the answer to freaks question. Mr. freak, do you have a study guide on Server+ in case I need it. My kids are already lined up to get the MCSA bundle for me for Christmas. They'll get it pretty soon.
I will check Comptia for a thorough explanation on Server+ (should have done that first, dah!!) Thanks Supertech. | |
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| Hi there!
No I do not have any study guide for SRV+ because there has been no demand for it, and it takes a fair amount of time to create one.
If anybody here wants to write one, I will be happy to publish it, market it, and share the profit with you. Email me for more details. | |
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Originally posted by foxmedia
My kids are already lined up to get the MCSA bundle for me for Christmas. They'll get it pretty soon.
That's very sweet. Tell your kids to mention this thread when they purchase it and I will add the Routers for Freaks study guide for free, since I see that you are also studying for the CCNA in your list of certs to get.  | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-11-29, 3:53 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
Hi there!
No I do not have any study guide for SRV+ because there has been no demand for it, and it takes a fair amount of time to create one.
If anybody here wants to write one, I will be happy to publish it, market it, and share the profit with you. Email me for more details.
Gimme time, dammit! Right now I am preparing Apache and MySQL for freaks . . . might be an idea for a cool freebie, yes?
BTW. S+ is like no test Ihave ever taken by CompTIA. I took the etst once (I had gotten a voucher from Sybex and a free book, but I actually had no intentions of taking the test) . . . and failed. I was like 10 percentage points shy of passing, but I flunked all the same.
My certs:
SCSA
OCP
MCP
RHCE
LPI-1
Linux+
A+
i-Net+
Network+
CDIA+
HP-UX
AIX Admin
SCO ASE
VMS Admin
CCNA
CCNP
CCDA
CCIE
CST
CNST
GROL
MCSA (Minus one test)
etc. Bottom Line: This is a toughie. Not entry level, and best for you to have detaield hands-on. Not impossible by any means . . . I didn not take the test seriosuly based on the other CompTIA tests, but if I had I would have passed it . . . nonetheless, it is much harder than the others. Forewarned is Forearmed.
Good luck, but be prepared! | |
| foxmedia 2002-11-29, 4:10 pm |
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Originally posted by freak
That's very sweet. Tell your kids to mention this thread when they purchase it and I will add the Routers for Freaks study guide for free, since I see that you are also studying for the CCNA in your list of certs to get.
Mr Freak, my wife was overwhelmed with your generosity on the Routers for Freaks Study Guide. She is very grateful. (rough times right now). Thank you. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-11-29, 4:38 pm |
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Originally posted by foxmedia
Mr Freak, my wife was overwhelmed with your generosity on the Routers for Freaks Study Guide. She is very grateful. (rough times right now). Thank you.
freak is just that kind of guy. | |
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Originally posted by foxmedia
Mr Freak, my wife was overwhelmed with your generosity on the Routers for Freaks Study Guide. She is very grateful. (rough times right now). Thank you.
I am always happy to help out a fellow examnotes member, and your story is sweet. Sorry to hear that times are rough. Hopefully, new certs will mean either new job or higher pay rate. I have a lot of respect for those who work hard at making themselves more amrketable and knowledgeable. I get to see those who complain all the time, it is refreshing
Don't hesitate to let me know if I can help. | |
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Originally posted by Mr. Linux Guy
Gimme time, dammit! Right now I am preparing Apache and MySQL for freaks
Good news! I can't wait to see that. God knows I need to read those too  | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-11-30, 6:35 am |
| Well, it's no prob. I am needing to do some basic documentation for my systems and right now I am making a "system management" guide for anyone else that we might have to train at the college. I figured that when I am done with it, a few small chanegs and it would make a great study guide for a newbie. | |
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| Great! I am sure that it will make for some very cool reading. I still read your Linux+ for Freaks guide regularly, especially the section on vi. We have this AIX box that up until recently did not have pico installed on it, so vi was it. I use it often enough that I need to know it, but not often enough that I remember all the commands every time I need them.
I also play with the final labs you created. I gave them to the guys that work for me to play with out test lab. Great stuff@ | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-11-30, 8:41 am |
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Originally posted by freak
Great! I am sure that it will make for some very cool reading. I still read your Linux+ for Freaks guide regularly, especially the section on vi. We have this AIX box that up until recently did not have pico installed on it, so vi was it. I use it often enough that I need to know it, but not often enough that I remember all the commands every time I need them.
I also play with the final labs you created. I gave them to the guys that work for me to play with out test lab. Great stuff@
Heh, heh. Like ST said before, I think, if you wanna know UNIX, you had better know vi! Actually, like I mention in the study guide, if you learn to "think" in vi, things will be easier to remember. the core commands are actually quite basic and few in number. No one that I know actually uses all of the buffers available, but tend to use it for quick edits.
I am surprise you haven't gotten some nasty letters over those labs. I intentionally required some mistakes to be made so the user would learn things the "hard way" and be less likely to forget. | |
| freak 2002-11-30, 10:02 am |
| sorry to disappoint but so far all the feedback has been very positive!
As for thinking in vi, the day I do that is the day I am ready for the dirt nap | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-11-30, 10:38 am |
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Originally posted by freak
As for thinking in vi, the day I do that is the day I am ready for the dirt nap
LOL! | |
| namrak 2002-11-30, 5:18 pm |
| I'd say about 20% overlap of Network+ and A+ for the Server+ sounds right. Think troubleshooting specifically for servers as well as networking in terms of a server standpoint. You get the idea foxmedia. When CompTIA recommends having A+ and Network+ before taking on Server+, I wholeheartedly concur as well as having SOME server experience. Good luck! | |
| foxmedia 2002-11-30, 5:43 pm |
| Thanks for the input namrak. | |
| Supertech 2002-11-30, 5:45 pm |
| I've got some data from CompTIA on the overlap of the various certs.
It's at work, I am not. I'll post it on Monday. | |
| foxmedia 2002-11-30, 5:52 pm |
| Thanks Supertech. I’m having second thoughts now about taking the Server+. At first didn’t think I would pursue it this soon, but seeing the salary report on certifications from Certification Magazine made me take another look. Believe it said Server+ was average salary of $63,953, A+ was $54,130, Net+ was $52,731. Don’t know how this truly reflects reality, but the survey was nationwide. So its worth a look see. http://www.certmag.com/issues/dec02..._gabelhouse.cfm | |
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| salary reports from any magazine/publication/company survey is just BS... don't put any stock in it...
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Cisco CCIE $67,207
I am sure that's just make the effort for ccie worth it to make 15,000 more than net+... and why in the world would someone get ccna... when they make almost 5k less than net+... ya...
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Cisco CCNA $47,946
oh and how can i forget that ccnp make only 2300 more than net+... and almost 5000 less than ccda... sure sure...
and A+ make only 900 less than a CCNP... | |
| namrak 2002-11-30, 11:38 pm |
| I have the very magazine article in my hands Mikop and have to agree with you mikop. Its interesting to take a read through, but at only 10,000 IT professionals surveyed, that's nowhere near the total amount of IT pros in the States or the world.
Network+, CIW is ranked ahead of CCNA in terms of average salaries? Hoo boy...
Take the article with a lump of salt. | |
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| these numbers are foolish. There is no way someone with only an A+ cert makes in the mid $50K. It simply does not work that way... | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-01, 7:03 am |
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Originally posted by freak
these numbers are foolish. There is no way someone with only an A+ cert makes in the mid $50K. It simply does not work that way...
I agree. A cert does not get you a salary . . . it merely helps to get you the interview. And there are too many other variables involved . . . type of position being filled, relative supply vs. demand of IT professionals in the area, type of industry (most IT workers are not "officially" employed in IT, but in other areas like me . . . education, finance, etc.), years of experience, geographic location, private vs. public sector, and so on.
Disagreeable fact: A newly certified IT professional of any stripe with no experience will start at the bottom unless you are very lucky. A CCIE with no real world experience will not be worth whatever any magazine says that they will make.
Query: Do certification schools and/or vendors have anything to do with these types of articles.
Always use a bit of common sense when reading stuff like this. | |
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| very good points. Although I have to say that I would like to be CCIE with no experience | |
| foxmedia 2002-12-01, 7:40 am |
| Thanks for the input guys. Why do these magazines even report information like this if it isn't reality? I'll probably dump my subscription. | |
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| Why? Because money always attracts buyers, and then they can sell more advertising
Not to plagiarize Metallica, but... "sad but true" | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-01, 8:37 am |
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Originally posted by freak
very good points. Although I have to say that I would like to be CCIE with no experience
Well, a CCIE will always reqyuire *some* experience, otherwise you would not have passed the test. However, if that someone is a kid as opposed to someone else with 10 years of practical experience, it might be a toss-up as to who gets the gold. Certs are great, they are fun, and teach you a lot . . . but they are a means, not an end. | |
| Mr. Linux Guy 2002-12-01, 8:43 am |
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Originally posted by foxmedia
Thanks for the input guys. Why do these magazines even report information like this if it isn't reality? I'll probably dump my subscription.
They are in business to sell magazines . . . and thus they often print what the readers want to read. Kind of like television . . . if they don't put on what you want, they lose money. I tend to prefer technical magazinesthat tell you how to do specific things. The "industry knowledge" types I consider a waste. Talk to some people n your area in the industry and you will get a good idea of the state of things.
Again, this is real life here . . . don't expect miracles. To succeed, you need hard work and persistence, not "quick fixes". | |
| namrak 2002-12-01, 2:17 pm |
| Truer words have never been spoken Mr. Linux Guy.
Certifications and even your college degree define a certain amount of knowledge gained. They are a means to the end goal. They do not guarantee you a job and/or a high salary. The most knowledgeable person in the world will have alot of trouble landing a job with a negative, me-first attitude exhibited in interviews.
Curiously, did you pay for your Certification Magazine subscription foxmedia? It is a free suscribe for industry professionals and to others as well outside if they are willing to divulge some company info. | |
| foxmedia 2002-12-01, 4:20 pm |
| No I did not pay for it namrak...that's what's sad about it. Don't even want it when it's FREE if it's not reliable. | |
| azimuth40 2002-12-01, 7:40 pm |
| We all can't forget the surveys that show that the majority of IT workers have no certifications at all. I had twenty-five years in IT before I got my first cert.
If some one was to interview me and my salary based on that first cert then I would have been one of those people that you hated in school. Remember the person who both blew the test curve and validated the test at the same time so that the class could not argue the point with the teacher or professor?
A survey without years of experience and first date of certification are invalid as a guide for what one should be making. The difference in net+ and ccie salaries is probably a bad statistic. Many long time IT workers are now on the cert trail. The percentage of those with high salaries and only a net+ versus a fairly new person with a ccie are more than likely distorting the results.
In my opinion, the only factor that is of any merit in the survey is how much did the respondants salary increase percentage wise after getting the cert. Placing stock in the raw salaries other than the minimum salary is probably pointless. The minimum salaries at least tell you if you are on the same playing field for your geographic area.
For the U.S. the IRS has the real numbers based on job title except maybe for the consultants . If someone publishes those then we really have something to talk about. | |
| namrak 2002-12-01, 10:31 pm |
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Originally posted by foxmedia
No I did not pay for it namrak...that's what's sad about it. Don't even want it when it's FREE if it's not reliable.
Heh. I'm not trying to plug Certification Magazine, but they generally do have good articles as well as study guides when they put them out. Free is free, unless you need to do some spring cleaning. However, the Salary Survey is one particular article I don't put too much stock in it. | |
| Supertech 2002-12-02, 8:39 am |
| Approx. 8% of Network+ objectives overlap A+
Approx. 13% of the CDIA objectives overlap A+
Approx. 14% of the CDIA objectives overlap the Network+
Approx. 10% of the Server+ objectives overlap A+
Approx. 19% of the Server+ objectives overlap Network+
Approx. 25% of the i-Net+ objectives overlap Network+
HTH | |
| foxmedia 2002-12-02, 8:56 am |
| Wow! Thanks Supertech | |
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Originally posted by Supertech
Approx. 8% of Network+ objectives overlap A+
Approx. 13% of the CDIA objectives overlap A+
Approx. 14% of the CDIA objectives overlap the Network+
Approx. 10% of the Server+ objectives overlap A+
Approx. 19% of the Server+ objectives overlap Network+
Approx. 25% of the i-Net+ objectives overlap Network+
HTH
great post. Thanks. | |
| azimuth40 2002-12-02, 12:54 pm |
| A keeper post Supertech, thanks.
A couple of surprises there. I kind of thought the overlap between net+ and i-net+ would have been higher and the overlap between net+ and server+ lower.
Do you happen to know if the overlaps are unique? That is CDIA with 13% from A+ and 14% from net+
I don't know what to make of the CDIA overlaps at all. Seems a lot more server and network centric stuff would be in the paperless office that CDIA surrounds. Instead here is this big chunk of A+. I wonder where do WAN's, SAN's, data warehouses and mining show up. Maybe it is sticking to entry level like other CompTIA certs. |
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