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| prezbedard 2003-08-23, 10:52 pm |
| Can Knoppix be used to move files to a network drive?
I inherited my brother's old PC which has W2K. He had finally got so frustrated with all the problems he has been having with it. Frankly I don't blame him. He wants to burn some files from the HDD to CD. I really don't want to take chance by putting the drive into one of PC's. The drive is NTFS. All I want to do is copy the files over to a network share using knoppix. This thing is very unstable. So is this possible? I have about a week before he comes up for labor day.
Thanks. | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-25, 5:22 am |
| Is it the hardware that is unstable or the OS. As far a KNOPPIX I just booted it for the first time ever on one of my systems. It took less than 5 minutes to get to a KDE screen. Love the background an eye redone for speed. I fired up konqueror and logged onto EN and back to this thread. The system is on a KVM and my other system is also logged on.
I am writing this message via the CD boot of knoppix. Not bad for something that I am seeing for the first time. Those of you who have not downloaded the ISO are in for a treat if you take the time. It found everything automatically and picked up an IP from the router excepting for some sizing on the screen (KDE seems to shift to the right in every version that I have tried) this code is very smart. It found 5 partitions across two disks. It did not understand an old HPFS partition but it went to the NTFS ones just fine as readonly.
KDE has been set by default to work like the windows desktop so a right click and properties seems to set the drives to writeable. No courage to try just yet until I am sure. Everything seems to be running from a ramdisk. This system has 512M so I have been able to start abiword and work. Open office 1.0 opens some word and excel files but has trouble with others.. Thats all I have found in a half hour. Now to find out if I can see other system shares but it is getting bed time for me 2AM so it will have to be tomorrow afternoon. I am going to leave the system up to play with it a little more so if no one else answers I will try. Haven't played with a debian based distribution before.
There are two XP desktops and two win98 desktops on this string at the moment for some programming tests and netbios on tcp so I may be in a position to test it for you. I have a 20 gig share folder set to read/write on one of the XP systems. I assume that you want me to send data from the Knoppix system to a widows system. Damn I am impressed. | |
| prezbedard 2003-08-25, 10:23 am |
| That is nice to hear. I once booted with a knoppix CD but the system only had 32MB of memory so I did not get a very good first look.
Right now I believe it is the OS. I plan on testing the thing out for myslf though.
I have not had any first hand experience with problems as my brother brought the computer to me on a stop over from NY to NH. I will boot with Knoppix and see what I can do. I'll just create a shared folder on my sever to copy the files over to if I am successful. | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-27, 1:54 am |
| Well I see that no one else has joined our little thread. I had some more time to spend this afternoon. I am stumped at the moment. Booting from the CD, /etc seems to not be in the ram disk. That means I can't add IP's to /etc/exports which you need to do to enable shares. So I am trying to figure out if I can do samba without mountd and nfsd running on the Knoppix end.
Otherwise I guess I have to have FTP running on one of the windows systems and use get/put. | |
| prezbedard 2003-08-27, 1:57 am |
| Wouldn't it require a ftp server running?
I'll have to find a free or shareware one if I have to go that route. Thanks for sharing the info. | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-27, 3:05 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by prezbedard
Wouldn't it require a ftp server running?
I'll have to find a free or shareware one if I have to go that route. Thanks for sharing the info.
we will see. Here get this one free 300KB auto resume, multi-threaded. Cerberus ftp server for windows WIN2K/XP
http://www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/8/2/10-8-2-1.shtml | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-27, 3:26 am |
| Well the little 300KB server works sofar on a Windows XP system. I fired up command line FTP on the knoppnix system and did a get of a 58 byte welcome file that I placed in a folder called guest on drive D of the XP system. It got it fine.
Just tried mkdir in the guest folder from the knoppnix system and got error 500 no permission. So I guess I forgot to share that folder. Any how it looks like FTP will be the easiest path.
The little win FTP server program was very easy to set up 5 minutes tops, plus 30 seconds to download. So I think you have something that is do-able. | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-27, 4:43 am |
| Ok my friend I just did the following
mput /mnt/hda2/windows/*
28MB transferred in 45 seconds 608.8K/s 327 files.
It did not expand directories -d does not work because that adds how knoppnix sees the file structure i.e. /mnt/hda2 etc.
Brain is tired but I can't seem to make directrories remotely however file transfer was a full success on a folder by folder basis. Nighty night. | |
| prezbedard 2003-08-27, 11:57 am |
| Thanks for posting all the info. I will probably attempt the ftp/ W2K server path.
Not sure if I'll get to today I have a bit to do then its off to the Pats game tonight. If not today then tomorrow for knoppix. Thanks again. | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-27, 4:18 pm |
| OK lets us know how you make out.. I never would have considered trying this if you had not asked. Another little trick to add to my bag. I just made two backup copies of the knoppix CD and the win FTP server. Sure beats trying a reinstall on a sick or dying system.
Good Luck. | |
| prezbedard 2003-08-31, 5:17 pm |
| Ok I got knoppix up and running without too much trouble. I am having problems connecting it to the network. I set a statis ip,subnet ,default gateway, and name server. I still can not connect. I was looking in the control. Under an option for "file sharing" I hit the advanced tab but it wnts a password. Is there a default one. I have not set up any passwords yet so I figure there must be one. Do you know what it may be?
Thanks.
edit: I figured it needs the root paswword but one was never set. | |
| prezbedard 2003-08-31, 7:32 pm |
| Ok seems like I can not access my local network or the internet with the configuration I set.
IP 192.168.1.105
subnet 255.255.255.0
Defaukt Gateway 192.168.1.1 (DSL router)
name server -ISP name server
broadcast address 192.168.1.254
I was able to get into a root shell and start up the lisa dameon but that did no good. It said I could only access local shares. | |
| azimuth40 2003-08-31, 8:06 pm |
| I did not do any of that it apparently is set by default for DCHP. Here is what I basically did to FTP
Boot the CD and at the prompt
knoppix lang=us wheelmouse desktop=kde
If the screen is screwed up after boot you can adjust it with
kdemenu->system->xvidtune
You can right click on any of the drive icons to set permissions if you want to make the local drives read/write
On the server that you are going to send files to fire up the FTP server (cerberus).
On the knoppix desktop click on the seashell on a monitor icon. That brings up konsole.
start FTP
open ip address of ftp system
use ls or dir for find the folders
use an mput command as I described in a previous message.
So far everything was done without a password. I have not figured out what the default password is set to.
Thats as far as I went because I am fighting a virus or the human kind and I feel like crap. | |
| prezbedard 2003-08-31, 8:47 pm |
| Thanks for the input.
Hope feel better soon. | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-01, 12:31 pm |
| Well I set up the ftp server with no problems but I couldn't get knoppix to connect to the network I tried the way you suggested as well. It could get a IP from DHCP and setting a static one didn't work either. I ended up doing the file transfer the hard way. I will keep working with knoppix however experimenting. I should of attempted it earlier last week. I always put things off.
Thanks for your help. | |
| azimuth40 2003-09-01, 1:12 pm |
| Back playing with knoppix trying to feel better. found this on the CD
SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS FOR KNOPPIX
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1.) There is no automatic start of external accessible services.
2.) There are no default passwords. All accounts are locked by default.
Even local logins are not possible (unless you set a password or create
new user accounts as root).
3.) Therefore, all local interactive processes are started by init without
authorization.
Version 1.x up to and including 2.1-21-08-2001: Because there is no
valid password for "su", but still the possibility should exist to use
the system as "rescue cd", all programs (including KDE) are running
under root id.
Changed from version 2.1-24-08-2001 and up: The graphical desktop
is started with the unprivileged user id "knoppix". Programs that
only work for root are started using sudo without password. This has
the advantage of making faults caused by defective software very
unlikely, but does not enhance local security, since it is fairly
easy to switch between the "knoppix" and "root" account. The knoppix
user should never be allowed for external logins (in the case that
sshd or similar servers are being launched). | |
| azimuth40 2003-09-01, 1:22 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by prezbedard
Well I set up the ftp server with no problems but I couldn't get knoppix to connect to the network I tried the way you suggested as well. It could get a IP from DHCP and setting a static one didn't work either. I ended up doing the file transfer the hard way. I will keep working with knoppix however experimenting. I should of attempted it earlier last week. I always put things off.
Thanks for your help.
No problem, it has been a great learning experience for me. sorry that it did not work out for you. Just in case you don't have the right configuration set in the server here is a picture of my user permissions.
it looks a little small but it is a jpeg so I hope you can blow it up to see. | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-01, 2:07 pm |
| Where did you find that on the cd? I believe I am working with knoppix 3.x.
The ftp server set up fine as I was able to connect via my W2K box. I just have to figure why knoppix can't connect to the network.
Thanks | |
| azimuth40 2003-09-01, 2:08 pm |
| I'm stumped as to what we are doing differently.
If you can see the picture notice that anonymous is set to true and password is set to blank and I have given a default folder to get to. The cerberus ftp server shows its ip address on the first screen which should be the ip of the system that you are running it on. I sometime get different ip's from my router depending on the order that I power the system up. Right now it is 192.168.2.39 so on the koppnix system with konsole running
knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$ ftp
lftp :~> open 192.168.2.39
lftp 192.168.2.39:~> dir
dr--r--r-- 1 user group 0 Sep 01 2003 guest
lftp 192.168.2.39:/> cd guest
cd ok, cwd=/guest
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest> dir
d---rw-rw- 1 user group 0 Sep 01 2003 .
d---rw-rw- 1 user group 0 Sep 01 2003 ..
----rw-rw- 1 user group 58 Aug 27 07:11 welcome.txt
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest> get welcome.txt
58 bytes transferred
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest> !
knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$ dir
Desktop tmp welcome.txt
knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$ exit
exit
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest>
here to keep from typing this in I cut and pasted the knoppix screen into script.txt and sent it to the windows machine
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest> put script.txt
605 bytes transferred
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest> dir
d---rw-rw- 1 user group 0 Sep 01 2003 .
d---rw-rw- 1 user group 0 Sep 01 2003 ..
----rw-rw- 1 user group 605 Sep 01 17:46 script.txt
----rw-rw- 1 user group 58 Aug 27 07:11 welcome.txt
lftp 192.168.2.39:/guest> bye
knoppix@ttyp0[knoppix]$
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I hope this gives you some ideas. | |
| azimuth40 2003-09-01, 2:18 pm |
| Latest version 3.2 here.
That file was in the knoppix folder on the cd. README_security.txt | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-02, 1:15 pm |
| The problem has nothing to do with the ftp server at least not yet. I can't seem to get knoppix to connect to the local network or internet. I can't ping anything except the knoppix ip address I setup. It is unable to get an IP and subnet from the DHCP broadcast. I am going to continue to work on this. I will report my results here. I don't think it is the netowrk as I was told it was working before. | |
| azimuth40 2003-09-02, 2:11 pm |
| I'm sorry, I misunderstood that you were past that point. Is this a network at work I thought it was your own network. I'm confused now. If it is not yours have you checked the router to see how many systems it will accept broadcasts from. If they are all up it may not have anymore IP's to give. I am assuming, maybe wrongly that this system is capable of networking and does not have a bad or unrecognized NIC. | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-03, 11:03 am |
| It is my own home network. I know it is not an issue with the hub because I have 2 other pcs hooked into it. The network is hooked up to the net via DSL with a linksys DSL router.
I just checked the router and there is one more IP available. I realized that the IP I gave the knoppix system before was already given as a static IP to my RH8 box but at the time that box was not operating. | |
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| prezbedard 2003-09-13, 1:15 am |
| Wow something in English 
Thanks | |
| meijin 2003-09-13, 1:50 am |
| I got the Knoppix-STD distro loaded up today and was really impressed with it! Now if I could just figure out how to get the wireless portion working, I would be in great shape. | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-13, 1:54 am |
| Did you use the wireless network config utility? | |
| meijin 2003-09-13, 2:24 am |
| Nah...just kind of looked around and realized I had no idea what the hell I was doing and did not mess with it.
I was just browsing the Knoppix-STD forum and was looking for some help. I am a complete and total newbie to Linux, so alot of what they are talking about is over my head.
I have about 9 different WLAN adapters, but it sounds like I need an Orinoco Gold. I have an Avaya Silver...will that work?
Thanks! | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-13, 2:27 am |
| I don't know I'm still new to linux plus I am not familar with wlan adapters. | |
| meijin 2003-09-13, 2:32 am |
| Big help you are!
Have you gotten one working at all?
Time to find a Linux WLAN for Dummies site!
Thanks! | |
| prezbedard 2003-09-13, 2:54 am |
| I've only set up one wireless adapter and that was on a windows system but I did get it working eventually. |
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