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| chunder 2001-05-26, 12:46 pm |
| ccieToBe! this is especially for you.
i had to zip it... it's just a jpg though. | |
| ccieToBe 2001-05-26, 5:56 pm |
| Ohhh, very nice. I just got around to installing NetWare on a dedicated box a few days ago, so I'm still learning the basics. Everything's been very straight forward so far.
The one thing that's really impressed me about NetWare is NDS. I haven't really gotten in depth with any of the competing directory services, but from what I've seen it's the best thing out there. I'm going to concentrate learning NetWare and passing the CNA exam for now, then I'll try setting up a Unix box as an NDS server. | |
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| In my experience, Novell servers are very reliable . . . I do not have much good to say about their apps (GroupWise 5 is a bloated piece of crap!), but I'd choose them over M$ anyday. NDS is cool, it was the driving force behind M$'s AD and gives you a great way to manage your net . . . names are like in DOS only backwards. Try some of Clarke's books if you're looking to get Novell certified. he tellls a lot of bad jokes, but knows what he is talking about. | |
| chunder 2001-05-26, 7:11 pm |
| well, i know less about linux than you do about NetWare, i think... but, i got a disk with a 100 user version of NDS for Linux from Novell Users International (NUI - www.nuinet.com) and decided i need to try it again. i tried it awhile back but messed up my linux box. this time (after i remembered how to run the script) it went quite seamlessly. i was acutally getting all kinds of schema errors on my NW5.0 box but did a search on Novell's Support Connection and found what i needed to make NDS happy (although the TID was for different versions of NetWare, the same process worked for a NetWare and Linux box). ah, i might also mention that the linux box is an AMD K6 266 oc'd to 300 with 128 ram running Caldera eServer 2.3 and the NW box is a p233 with 128 ram running NW5.0 sp6. can win2k/ADS run on that? 
so, anyway, since we had talked briefly about it before, i figured i'd share my results with you.
oh, you may want to go all the way for the CNE... the CNA really isn't much, to tell you the truth -- which you may not think now but will realize later.
good luck. | |
| ccieToBe 2001-05-26, 11:35 pm |
| Randy:
Right now I'm using Novell's white book in a class that I'm taking and Clarke's CNA book for self study. You're absolutely right. He knows his stuff, but is kind of nutty. What's with the whole ACME thing? He has an entire appendix devoted to it!
chunder:
Yeah, I'm noticing how simplistic the material is. They aren't even being sophisticated enough to use the OSI model. This 3 layer thing they came up with is pathetic.
You're probably going to laugh at this, but back when Windows 2000 first came out, I ordered an evaluation copy of Advanced Server, and loaded it on a K6/2 380 w/64MB of RAM. It took about 15 minutes to boot up  .
I'm considering working towards the CNE although I doubt that I'll go for it any time soon. I would have finished up the CCNP and CCDP exams before starting on the Novell track, but one of the degrees that I'm persuing (I'll probably complete it in December) requires a NetWare administration course or CNA certification. Something I am seriously looking into for the distant future is CDE certification. Technically, I wouldn't have to be a CNE to become a CDE, so I may just skip that step. | |
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| I think Clarke does this to sort of break the montotony that technical books often suffer from. Some people like it, other don't, as they make the book seem like it contains too much 'fluff'. The CNE looks better to me than the MCSE does, as they certainly seem to stick around longer, but for now, I am trying to get my HP-UX and SCO certs down. Novell is cool, but Un*x is better! | |
| chunder 2001-05-27, 12:22 pm |
| ah.. you mean the workstation data-flow model? well, yeah, when compared to the OSI for someone who knows the OSI it's kinda weak. but when i took that same class you're in about a year and a half ago, it was my fisrt class of a network specific nature and i had learned nothing of a layerd structure -- so, it was good for me in that respect. and then when i sat the networking technologies class i was blown away by the OSI model... so, i think it depends on the way you learn it, the experience you have and how far you intend to go. afterall, the CNA is comparable to the MCP (but pulls more weight in the real world) and i don't remember the OSI model being discussed at all in the 3 MCP tests i studied for.
can't you waive the Net Tech test with your CCNA? i know you can if you're MCSE or Net+. that's the test where you'd really hit the OSI model and friends.
anyway. CDE should be a good challenge for you but i think, were i in your shoes, i'd do the CNE anyway... i don't think you'd have a hard time with it.
ok, i'm done making this thread overly large!
but i have to let you know i posted this message from my Caldera Linux box! that's about the only thing that makes it a valid post in this forum! i think i may decide to put Linux on my p3/733 so i have a little more power for X. netscape slows it down pretty good. | |
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| Way to go! Caldera was the distro that I started out with as well. I always use Opera in Linux . . . Netscrap eats up way too much memory, especially that newest monstrosity that came out (version 6). | |
| chunder 2001-05-27, 2:13 pm |
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Originally posted by Randy
Way to go! Caldera was the distro that I started out with as well. I always use Opera in Linux . . . Netscrap eats up way too much memory, especially that newest monstrosity that came out (version 6).
i am really starting to like Caldera (and, they're Novell's neighbor ). i especially like the KDE desktop over Gnome (so far).
i messed around with Red Hat (6.1) a bit but not much with the GUI (Gnome). i actually had me an ipchains firewall on my DSL but it got hacked.. so i figured i'd better go with something better for the time being.
i think i will look into installing Opera. thanks for the tip. | |
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| Caldera is really polished and sleek looking. I'd prefer it to RH any day. And I like KDE better than GNOME as well. I know the default install comes with a directory for NetWare stuff to go in. as well. I think you'll be happy with Opera, it is very fast and you can have several windows open at once. It's my favourite browser. | |
| ccieToBe 2001-05-27, 6:40 pm |
| Randy:
Yeah, I can understand the need to break the monotany, but Clarke goes too far for my taste. "Cisco LAN Switching" comes to mind as a book that has a good balance. The author made occasional references to Quake, and usually in a way relevent to the topic being discussed.
I've never gotten a chance to play with HP-UX or SCO. How do they compare to FreeBSD and Solaris? Good luck on those certs.
Unix is my favorite by far. It's tough to beat for performance, reliability, security and scaleability. I like Windows for its ease of use and NetWare for its NDS integration.
What do you mean by "I know the default install comes with a directory for NetWare stuff to go in as well?"
chunder:
I prefer NetWare to NT/2K, so I'd probably go for the CNE before the MCSE. I plan on becoming an MCP in 2000 Server and Professional in the near future (another graduation requirement), but have no plans to become an MCSE.
I guess the workstation data flow model is adequate for someone at the CNA level, but it seems like if Novell wanted to use a more basic model they should have gone with the DOD one. IMO it's a lot easier to understand then then OSI model and of about the same utility when dealing with TCP/IP.
I've already gotten the Networking Technologies exam waived with my Network+ score report. Not sure if the CCNA would do the same thing or not.
Putting Linux on a more powerfull machine sounds like a very good idea. Opera and Mozzila are both much better browsers then NetScape. As much as I dislike Windows, I have to say that M$ did a good job on IE.
RedHat's one of the less secure variants. No matter what variant's installed, it's important to disable any unused services since that's how most attacks take place (esp. WU-FTP). Setting up a firewall's a good idea too.
KDE's my favorite GUI | |
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| Well, the Caldera version that I have played around with comes with a directory for all the Novell apps to go in so I reckoned that Caldera was pushing integration with NetWare to a degree.
I prefer UNIX as well, but so far haven't had much time to actually get much hands-on with HP-UX, will let youy know how it goes.
Clarke can get a bit irritating with his bad jokes, but he got me throguh the CNA exam for GW 5, so I guess I have no right to complain.  |
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