Oracle certifications - Give up on DBA

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Give up on DBA

Robocop_OCP

2002-07-31, 6:53 pm

Whats up people.

Im from New York.
Just wanna stop by and say I gave up on oracle. The DBA jobs are all locked up. Most companies only have 1 DBA in them, and most of those jobs are spoken for, with guys on waiting lists with 10+ years of experience.
Hey, its an administration job. Most admin jobs are spoken for. Thats the way it is.

laloca

2002-08-01, 12:13 pm

Hi Robocop_OCP,

sad to read your posts about giving up ...

Hard to say anything motivating in this situation. But regarding OCP you are right. There is actually IMHO no chance to get a DBA job without experience. I recently applied for a job as Oracle consultant and they weren't even interested in any cert. Only experience counts.

I worked with Oracle databases for about 10 years. When I started with OCP in June last year I meant an OCP cert would be useful to "prove" profound Oracle knowledge. Now I'm told this cert is "nice to hang on the wall aside the desk". All the money and work of no earthly use.

Swoting or cheating through exams without substantial experience only helps Prometic to push their business.

I can only advise to start with Oracle experience first. I learned Oracle when I used it instead of F&A, dBase and Access. Every company has a need of little "databases" here and there. As a NetAdmin/SysAdmin feed a database with logfiles and do some reporting, set up a licence and/or IT asset management for your own. Oracle is very flexible and also runs on an old server or PC with a single user. I know from experience that these experimental projects often become very useful and professional because they are someone's "baby".

Treat your little database like a "big" one, back it up regulary, do some scripting around and time will come when you could say during an interview: yes, I've worked with Oracle .... and then you can decide whether or not the market demands a cert.

Don't give it up completey. Oracle is great stuff!!

pchock

2002-08-16, 1:23 pm

Most of the Oracle DBA jobs have been taken by low paid H1Bs. That is what employers like. They can work like a slaves and work for $15.00 an hour. I saw the add at one of the Indian newspaper(NJ), buy one get one free DBA. I am not kidding. Agency wants to make money no matter what the economic condition and they don't care about the employee.

Batman24

2002-08-16, 2:34 pm

I agree that DBA jobs are hard to come by. I recently completed my 8i certification. It has become virtually impossible to get a job even remotely working in Oracle for me although I have a bachelors degree and working on a 2nd one. I am stuck working at a manufacturing company building stuff for the military. The job pays but it is not what I went to school for. I attribute my bad luck sometimes on the current economy and sometimes i attribute it to other more 'personal' factors. Being a hispanic male puts me at a disadvantage over a often high-paying, high-rollin Oracle DBA position within a company. And sometimes i joke that i am not blonde and blue-eyed enough to make it in this country no matter how hard you try. I was born in this country but their still exists favorable treatments. Many may disagree with my comments but its my opinion and its my shoes and unless you are in my position, please reserve your disagreeing comments. I have recently enlisted in the military for the sole purpose of seeing if the military could possibly be a viable career option for me. I figure if I dont like my 3 year military experience then i can move on a and do other things. I also plan on continuing my studies and comleting additional Database certs (MCDBA) and finishing up my 2nd degree i am currently working on. If I cant seem to land an DBA job then, I will become a teacher. Its a job thats interesting enough for me to give it a shot, and perhaps about the only job that one can find job security nowadays. Especially in the urban environment that i grew up in where many educators choose to turn a cheek and head for the suburbs.

abastard

2002-09-22, 1:29 am

OCP_ROBOCOP... stop being a pussy. Don't give up. Be a man. What did you think people were going to bend over backwards to give you a DBA job... managing millions of dollars in data without any experience?

Maybe you've been smoking what the tech schools have been telling you. "go from being a janitor/spooge cleaner at the porno store... to making $55k a year in 1 month"

I don't have 10+ years exp... I have about 5+ with Oracle & SQL Server. But I get 5 calls from headhunters every week. I get about a job offer a month.

I'm OCP 8/8i and MCDBA... but that doesn't mean dick... nobody cares... they care what I can do....because I can back up those crappy pieces of paper. It's only good for a resume pad.

Yeah... most companies might only have 1 or 2 DBA jobs... but those DBA's are getting paid. The trick is not to apply for Jr jobs... because there isn't one. A job desc isn't the law... you have to be able to read between the lines.

Maybe you should work as a Data Analyst or Systems Analyst to get your foot inthe door.

And Batman... boo hoo friggin hoo hoo... guess what you punk-sissy....

I'm a hispanic male TOO... I'm the only minority in all the jobs I ever apply for. Especially in IT. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM getting a job. CORRECTION: job after job after job. Hmmm.... could it be competence or experience?

AND I LOOK DAMN HISPANIC too. Companies don't care about your race... they want a MF that can kick XXX as a DBA... if you are a minority... that's even better so they can say they have a diverse workforce. Stop playing the race card... and take up the ballet you pansy...!!!!

Do you know what SPIC means? It means Spanish People In Control... not race card playing candy-azz....Get some balls (cohones)man... and stop being a sellout esse'

Why does everyone think becoming an Oracle DBA is the gravy train... and all they need is a certification? Then cry like little biznatches when nobody kisses their asses to give them jobyjobs.??

If you can't recover a database and tune a database in a crisis... all that certification paper means is that you are a certified piece of crap. Worthless... you need some experience... or to lie on your resume...

whatever you do ... don't become an ORACLE TEACHER/instructor...

abastard

2002-09-22, 1:46 am

Look at computerjobs.com NYC / NJ has TONS of jobs....

NY, GA, TX, CA have the most jobs...

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