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| dhcpserver 2002-02-24, 1:08 pm |
| What is your opinion about temp agencies? (kelly services, adecco, manpower, etc.)
They have plenty of Oracle job offers... if you are 19..20...21... get a well-known PREMIERE cert (MCSE2000, CCNP,....) then get your OCP DBA (or Dev) cert... and that's all... you don't need previous experience, degrees, etc.
My opinion: STAY AWAY, Temp agencies typically mark up your rates by at least 10%, and often as much as 20 - 25%. So if you are being paid $25/hour, the employer is paying the agency $100 - $250 per WEEK. Executive recruiters often get as much as 20% of your first year's salary. Which the employer has to pay | |
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| In this job market, if you are not working you cannot afford to be picky and choosey in what job you are going to accept or not accept. Even working for free to get some exposure to the systems & have some experience to put on the resume is better than not working at all.
If you have a Oracle Developer Cert, CCNA, etc. BUT no experience, Temp work (if you can get it) is a great way to start, IMHO. | |
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| {{{They have plenty of Oracle job offers... if you are 19..20...21... get a well-known PREMIERE cert (MCSE2000, CCNP,....) then get your OCP DBA (or Dev) cert... and that's all... you don't need previous experience, degrees, etc. }}}}
What are you smoking, man!!?? Of course you need at least a degree in addition to the certs mentioned above, if you want to get your foot in the door with no experience. Unless, you like hanging papers on walls. | |
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| I'd have to disagree with both of you really on some of the points you posted.
First, I don't think the fact that the temp agency is making money off of you is any reason not to take a job from them. If you are just starting out then any experience, even if it is relatively low paid, is a good thing. I've worked for Kellys before and they always gave me a very decent rate.
I'd also disagree that you MUST have a degree to get a job in IT. It could be very country dependant but in London its very split. SOme institutions insist on a degree, alot of the times the degree doesn't even have to be relevant to the job. Alot of financial companies insist on them here but there are plenty of companies who don't require them.
I have to be honest I think that industry standard certification is more use in IT than a degree. I know someone who got through to a second interview at Microsoft here in a good role and doesn't have a degree. think about it, if an MCSE wasn't good enough to work for Microsoft then the certification isn't really worth much is it?
I've also worked in web development for quite a while and have worked with plenty of people with computer science degrees who really don't know too much. I even worked with someone with a PHD who suprised me at how little he knew.
In my experience, at least in London, a degree will open you up to more potential jobs but it is not essential. | |
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| I meant a degree is essential for someone just starting out in IT, with no related work experience. IMHO, a BS/BA degree + Certification (particularly OCP Developer, or MCSD) can help someone get in the door. But I don't think with certs alone AND no degree, someone would be able to start a IT career. Of course there is always help desk, but look at all the competition for a relatively low paid job.
If one can get temp work to gain experience, by all means do it!!, even if the rate is low to start out. | |
| vlegaspi 2002-03-04, 11:13 am |
| I agree with Ian_J - degrees don't hold as much weight as certs... at least what I've noticed here in Seattle, WA.
NickL has a point, though - degrees are certainly helpful if you've got no experience - but I don't think they're essential.
But maybe I'm thinking of "formal" experience - as in gained from the field, rather than personal ventures. I guess I'm an optimist thinking if you can prove to the interviewer you've got what it takes, or have the drive - from personal experience or "formal" experience - you've got a shot.
My 2 cents. Or was that 3?  |
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