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| River19 2002-06-10, 11:06 am |
| I just passed 70-215 on Sat and have 217 scheduled for this Sat, but I have a question.... What does everyone think about CCNA along with MCSE. Do you think that I will need it in order to get a decent job. Another question I have is, What's up with this new MCSA cert that is out there? I know that I would only need to take 70-218 to get the MCSA once I am MCSE, so is it worth it? Microsoft says that the certs are for two distinct roles in the product lifecycle, but it couldn't hurt, right? Your thoughts are appreciated. | |
| KScheler 2002-06-10, 1:44 pm |
| For one, you can get both MCSA and MCSE with 7 exams. Exam 218 is a MCSA core and MCSE elective. Exam 216 is a MCSE core and MCSA elective. Having the CCNA added to your list of certs can be helpful in these slow times as long as you can back the certs up with the know-how. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-10, 1:45 pm |
| M$ would rather you become MCSA first and then MCSE. If you are already MCSE, then it is not worth gaining the 218 just for a cert that is lower than the one you have, unless you wish to teach. Cisco certs are always good to have due to the fact that most networks will have their product.  | |
| River19 2002-06-10, 8:46 pm |
| I thought that you could only count one exam for one cert.
For example, I know what you are saying about 218 being an elective for MCSE, but I thought you could ONLY count that one for EITHER MCSE or MCSA.
I am probably wrong, but that was my impression. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-11, 5:40 am |
| Have a read of the M$ transcript. To become MCSA you have to have 218, which is ALSO an elective for MCSE. I will be using my SQL 7 Admin from my MCSE NT4 for an elective also for my MCSE 2000. I will still be classed as MCSE NT4. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-11, 12:12 pm |
| MCSA=
210, 215, 216 or NET+, 218
MCSE=
210, 215, 216 (No NET+ Equivalent), 217, One design (219, 220 or 221), Two electives (Any of the design exams can count as an elective, so can 218, plus there are several other elective choices.)
For example, I got my MCSE by taking:
210, 215, 216, 217, 219, 220, 221 (Four cores, one design, two electives.)
So, you can see that if you want to go for MCSE, MCSA would only be a stepping stone, with 218 counting as an elective.
CCNA would probably be a good cert to get as well, I am currently working on that one myself. Your best bet is to get work in the field if at all possible. Even an entry help desk job or shop tech, then build skills, experience and knowledge at the same time. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-11, 1:45 pm |
| You forgot to mention that you can also take the 270 instead of the 210.
Nice to see you again Jeff. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-11, 2:09 pm |
| Ooops! Good point! You can substitute any .NET exam for it's equivalent in Windows 2000. Microsoft just sent me 120 day editions for Biztalk, .Net Server and SQL. I wonder if they want me to take more exams?
Been busy with CCNA stuff, but I check in here daily, if I can help. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-11, 2:11 pm |
| I received the .net family as well, but I am still trying to get my MCSE at the moment. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-11, 2:21 pm |
| If I remember correctly, you are pretty close to finishing aren't you? If you need anything let me know, I save all my notes! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-11, 2:28 pm |
| I am currently studying for four exams at the same time. 216, 217, 218 and 270. Any help that you can lend for these babies will be most appreciative. How is the CCNA coming? | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-11, 4:19 pm |
| Just got started three weeks ago on CCNA, very cool stuff, like 216 and Network Essentials on steriods. Figure you are learning a whole new O/S, that is all command line oriented and all the details you need to setup.
For what you are studying: 217 is pretty straight forward. On 216 WINS, DNS and RRAS are probably the biggest hitters. There are a lot of good individual articles on Cramsession.com for those, and of course they have good crams for both the 216 and 217. I really never looked at 218, but I figure you have it down if you have 215, 216 and 217.
When do you plan on testing? | |
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| I think you should be clear when choose MCSE or CCNA, gotta know what diff!
For me, I choose MCSE first as it a a OS course orient 5,6,7 layer in OSI, just admin the service! CCNA orient 1,2,3,4,5 in OSI regard hardware (hub, switch, router) stuff! CCNA require intensively knowledge on OSI and router configuration, new exam track name 640-507 require some simulation question, get ready for them Jeff! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-12, 1:42 pm |
| I have been studying for these exams for about 2.5 months now, and only yesterday started using a test engine, as before that I have read my books three times each and have been practicing what I can with one server and one client. I will need to find more info on IIS as I believe it is a major subject in the 218. I would like to have all four out of the way by the end of Summer. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-12, 1:50 pm |
| Maybe check out a few study guides on the net for IIS, save a few bucks! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-12, 1:52 pm |
| I was hoping that New Riders had a 218 book, so that I could download their test engine.  | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-12, 1:59 pm |
| Good point! Not alot of test engines out there for this one. | |
| Zaraspook 2002-06-12, 8:34 pm |
| Hey CyberDude:
Download the Cramsession study guide. It has some pretty good stuff on IIS. Cert21.com has a free 20 question test that gives you a pretty good feel for the 218 test. Also, you can download the Transcender.com demo test engine and the demo Examsimulators.com test engine. Both have good questions. testking.com also had a ten question PDF download. Lets see, the 2000trainers.com site was another that had some pretty good practice questions. There were a number of other sites I can't think of right now, also. I'm like Jeff, so for I've done all my exams on the cheap, basically, just on questions freely available on the net and lots of study and hands-on. Go to Google and search for practice exams by test number and subscribe to questions of the day offered by several sites.  | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-13, 1:31 pm |
| Thank you guys for all this info, I too am doing my studies on the cheap as I believe I have paid enough money into the IT Training market (unfortuantely it hasnt got me anywhere in the Industry). | |
| jakob79 2002-06-14, 3:09 am |
| you look very well prepared cyberdude.. do get a lot of hands on practice before you attempt the exams.. this will come in handy.. as for IIS.. I think you can just play around with it and learn quite a bit about it.. virtual directories.. permissions.. there are quite some things to learn about it.. anyway.. best of luck to you | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-14, 4:05 am |
| If IIS can be a web, mail, ftp, streaming media, etc server, what is exchange server for? Is it just a highly vamped IIS?
In IIS, if I want to use it as an intranet server, can I just block the IIS services to the internet on my internet connection? I ask this as my server is a DC (well it is an everything due to it being my only test server), and all services that access AD treat it as the internet (thats what my firewall tells me anyway). | |
| quyda 2002-06-14, 10:00 pm |
| Exchange server do the messaging job like email, chat, instant messenger... | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-15, 12:53 pm |
| OK, but why does IIS do mail as well? | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-15, 1:02 pm |
| I can't recall a reference to IIS and email. I think microsoft uses exchange exclusively for that? | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-15, 1:03 pm |
| So why is the smtp service part of IIS? | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-15, 1:16 pm |
| Well dude you stumped me with that one, smtp is a service that 2k server can load, but I haven't seen a way to implement e-mail for that, so?
smtp is to assist with o/s messaging and alerts, as far as I know for 2k server. What it does for IIS, I haven't a clue. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-15, 1:20 pm |
| What is this Jeff, have I actually found something you are not sure on. That must be a first for this forum. Thanks for the insight and help, I only asked because I am curious.
What do you think about my intranet problem? | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-15, 1:28 pm |
| Chuckle, admittedly there's probably too many times when I sound sure, compared to the number of times I am wrong, so it would pay to eximine this question. | |
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| jeff was on the right track.
you can easily call with scripts and what not to send email.
its fun to get it going, have sent from/return address as yourbusted@fbi.gov and use it to send joke email to fellow admins...
and spam if ur into that kind of thing. | |
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Originally posted by CyberDude
OK, but why does IIS do mail as well?
Appanrently, SMTP in IIS is for replication between sites! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-19, 3:26 am |
| Can anyone help me on my IIS problem pertaining to it solely being used for an intranet? The rest of the thread is a few post before this one. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-19, 9:53 am |
| It would seem to me that to use IIS as an intranet web server on a lan that has access to the internet, you will have several options to configure.
a) DNS should not expose the IIS server address to the public.
b) filter incoming traffic, either by destination at the public interface or by source at the lan connection of the IIS server. Also make sure you are familiar with the IIS lockdown tool for safety. NIMDA is still out there! | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-19, 10:16 am |
| Ooops! I forgot about authentication as well! Yeah you can configure authentication so that only groups or users can access IIS.
If I remember correctly:
Authentication types:
SSL
Windows Integrated
NTLM
Basic
Anyone correct that list would be helpfull! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-19, 12:39 pm |
| Thanks Jeff,
It should be possible to grant the local ip address and dns name, which should automatically deny all other addresses and names. Is this right or have I just comfused myself? | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-19, 3:57 pm |
| It sounds like you are going in the right direction. As long as your internal DNS server does not divulge DNS records of IIS to the internet your off to a good start. I haven't worked with IIS at all, but I figure that if you have an 'index.htm' page in the default web folder on your IIS server and you create a c-name record that points to your IIS server, then when a user types the c-name or the ip address of your IIS server, index.htm will open in the browser?
In DNS create a record www.localweb.com with an address that corresponds to your IIS server say 192.168.0.1 for example. If you type http://www.localweb.com or http://192.168.0.1 your index.htm should open.
On the IIS server network interface, create a filter that will only allow traffic from 192.168.0 subnet so that there is no possible way for public to get to it.
Finally, I'm sure IIS has a wizard that would allow you to configure authentication. I figure if all your machines are 2k and in a domain you could use windows groups for authentication.
That's just my guess, you can see I'm full of it even when I don't know what I'm talking about huh? | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-20, 12:47 am |
| Thanks again Jeff,
IIS does have authentication as you pointed out in a previous post. I was reading my 215 book and found that IP address thing (which is why I asked), it also covers the authentication. The inly problem with the 215 book is that it does not cover the IIS aspects you need for the 218. I have downloaded the cramsession guide and hopefully will be able to use that and the KB references they provide. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-20, 5:45 am |
| Cramsession does have an IIS 4.0 guide in their MCSE retired section as well.
The 218 guide looks really thourough, at least its the thickest one I've seen from them.
From my post above I'd like to correct:
default.htm not index.htm. | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-20, 12:31 pm |
| Cheers Jeff,
I thought you were on about the default.htm anyway. 133 pages from cramsessions. I printed 130 of them out in colour, it took me over an hour. I will be going through it and then take the exam. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-06-20, 12:57 pm |
| Good luck on 218! | |
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| CyberDude 2002-06-21, 1:38 pm |
| Thanks Jeff,
I have just read the cramsession doc on IIS and it is a SMTP server as well. I think Exchange Server is for Outlook, messenger etc and not just for plain news and mail. | |
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| jeff_j_black 2002-06-21, 9:53 pm |
| That's cool on the smtp thing! | |
| CyberDude 2002-06-22, 8:51 am |
| Cheers zaraspook, that link is good, which is always the case with your links. | |
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