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| How do you keep your RIS servers from being overloaded when deploying to several thousand computers? Choose 3.
1- Install Win2k Pro on all servers first
2- Design network routing to control the RIS server selection
3- Place the RIS server as close to the computers as possible
4- Prestage Client computers and use referral RIS servers
answer and explanation please? | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-11-10, 10:35 pm |
| I would guess 2,3,4 because that's what the book says.
I really don't know about #3, unless they assume bandwidth relative to proximity. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by me? I dunno...
I would guess 2,3,4 because that's what the book says.
I really don't know about #3, unless they assume bandwidth relative to proximity.
your answer is good.
i only donīt know why the 4th option.
someone can have some explanation about that? | |
| Lucidity 2002-11-11, 7:31 am |
| Prestaging a computer account means that you have assigned a particular RIS server to provide the RIS image. Basically, you are administratively dictating which servers will answer their respective clients. | |
| Slinky 2002-11-11, 2:31 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lucidity
Prestaging a computer account means that you have assigned a particular RIS server to provide the RIS image. Basically, you are administratively dictating which servers will answer their respective clients.
Thats not wholly true. That is an part of prestaging but thats not what it means. Prestaging a RIS client computer is the process of creating a valid client Computer Account Object (CAO) in Active Directory. From there you can configure the RIS server to respond to prestaged computers.
Just wanted to clarify a little bit. | |
| Lucidity 2002-11-11, 2:47 pm |
| In regards to the question, it is wholly true.
The question wanted to know how to keep the RIS servers from being overloaded. If the computer account is prestaged, only the RIS server that has been administrative configured will respond to the requests.
My answer was directed at the question provided. As you notice, I also didn't go into detail about how to install RIS, or prestage computer accounts. The question didn't ask about DNS or AD requirements, so I didn't go into those areas either.
If the question wanted to know every little detail about how to install RIS, preconfigure computer accounts, set up supporting services, I would have provided answers.
What's with people trying to outsmart each other on this forum? | |
| dwatts 2002-11-11, 3:03 pm |
| Erm, it's not "outsmarting" Lucidity, it CLARIFYING. And sometimes that clarity message will be spot on - sometimes not.
You know, you seem to think others have big egos because they do this - when in fact - it is only your ego getting in the way. Go with the flow.
Again - it is not "outsmarting" - it is because these forums are all about LEARNING. And people learn from debating and/or clarifying with their own ideas. nothing wrong with that. It would be a sad place if it were otherwise. | |
| Slinky 2002-11-11, 3:09 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lucidity
The question didn't ask about DNS or AD requirements, so I didn't go into those areas either.
You forgot about DHCP as a requirement too.  | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-11-11, 3:32 pm |
| this battling over details is all fine and dandy, but I have a situation where bobnet2.bobnet.ca (member server) can ping bobnet1.bobnet.ca (shema master) by either domain name or ip#, yet cannot 'see' the domain in order to proceed through the active directory installation wizard.
I ran into this problem before, but just tried everything I could think of until 'something' worked. The problem is that 'something' was never identified or understood, so now I'm back in the same boat dealing with a previously sluffed and unresolved problem. If I don't get to the bottom of it this time around, I may well be able to fluke my way around it, but it will no doubt come back to bite me on the XXX again someday.
There must be some simple explanation for this, as I have said, I did get around it before, I just don't know how.
I would be eternally grateful if you could duke it out over this one, after all, it is at the very root of Active Directory | |
| Lucidity 2002-11-11, 3:39 pm |
| Honestly, I come to these forums on the occassions I have a spare moment. Often, that "moment" doesn't last as long as I would like, hence I choose to be very brief for the most part. Such is the burden of those with actual responsibilites.
Now, if these forums are simply a place for intellectual bullies to banter about, then it is not for me. I, apparently, was under the false assumption that people were here to ask questions and learn. Unfortunately, it seems that it is permissible for certain cliques to develop and overwhelm the underlying priorities of this forum.
I don't come here for social interaction, nor do I spend my valuable time looking for statements of others to correct. I have neither the time, or patience, to spend looking for errors in sytax, punctuation, spelling and sentence structure. I really wonder what types of individuals get their thrills by trying to publicly criticize others. It's seems to be a very imature and juvenile mentality. Especially in cases where individuals seem to skulk about waiting for their "nemesis" to post, simply so they can pounce and engage in some form of written combat. Having been in combat, and killing my share of humans, there seems to be no thill in engaging in a war of words with a self-important moron.
If people don't want my help, or even my opinion, that is fine. I didn't come here to claim the title of Exam god. However, I figured that since I spent the time studying, taking and passing the tests, as well as gained knowledge while putting in constant 12 hour days supporting a huge network, that I might be able to help out those with questions. I didn't realize that joining this forum also meant that I would be required to spend far more of my time dealing with internet "personas" that seem to think that these sites are their own personal domain, and that anyone else having an opinion would present a challenge to dominate and ridicule. | |
| Lucidity 2002-11-11, 3:47 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by me? I dunno...
this battling over details is all fine and dandy, but I have a situation where bobnet2.bobnet.ca (member server) can ping bobnet1.bobnet.ca (shema master) by either domain name or ip#, yet cannot 'see' the domain in order to proceed through the active directory installation wizard.
I ran into this problem before, but just tried everything I could think of until 'something' worked. The problem is that 'something' was never identified or understood, so now I'm back in the same boat dealing with a previously sluffed and unresolved problem. If I don't get to the bottom of it this time around, I may well be able to fluke my way around it, but it will no doubt come back to bite me on the XXX again someday.
There must be some simple explanation for this, as I have said, I did get around it before, I just don't know how.
I would be eternally grateful if you could duke it out over this one, after all, it is at the very root of Active Directory
If you want, you can send me a PM and I'll help you with some troubleshooting. | |
| dwatts 2002-11-11, 3:53 pm |
| I can only repeat - the problem is your own ego. No-one else see's it the way you do. There is no "combat" here. There are no fights or cliques. It's all in your head. Have fun. If you're not having fun, why bother? If someone thinks you have not ben accurate - why should they shut up? To protect your fragile ego? If, in turn, they are in error, then it truly is a learnig experience. And there is not a single person here who does not benefit from that. Get ovr it - participate. This is just advice- not badgering.
As to the problem installing, some specifics would be nice. | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-11-11, 4:02 pm |
| I am starting the last section of the MOC 70-217 and gearing up for the excercises.
I have just wiped everything out from 3 dc's and reinstalled w2kserver on all of them. the first one is up and running with active directory, dns appears configured, dhcp is running.
I am trying to install active directory in the second machine but keep getting an error. The network credentials dialogue box of the active directory installation wizard prepopulates with xxxnet.ca domain that I have set up on dc1, but stalls with the error message,
'the wizard cannot gain accesss to the list of domains in the forest. The error is:
The specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted.'
I can ping either box from each other, by computer name or ip#. | |
| Slinky 2002-11-11, 4:02 pm |
| Make sure you can ping bobnet.ca. If not check in your DNS server that you see a record called "(Same as parent folder) Host 1.2.3.4". Of course 1.2.3.4 equals the IP address of the existing domain controller. If it is there, then make sure it contains the correct IP for the domain controller. That may or may not fix it, but it seems like the server you are trying to promote cannot resolve bobnet.ca when you specify the name in dcpromo. | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-11-11, 4:13 pm |
| 'unknown host bobnet.ca.'
the root level of the forward zone does show the '(same as parent folder)' and indicates bobnet1.bobnet.ca
There are no 'same as parent folder' listings in either the ca or bobnet levels.
the reverse zone also shows a same as parent folder with the first dc addresse shown. | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-11-11, 4:21 pm |
| I knew I should have done 216 first.
The forward lookup zone has a subtree of ca with a subtree of bobnet. It also has a seperate link to a subtree of bobnet.ca, this second subtree does have 3 'same as parent' folders. soa, wins lookup, and name server. it also shows bobnet1 as a host. | |
| Slinky 2002-11-11, 4:22 pm |
| I would just delete that mess and create one zone called bobnet.ca and restart the comptuer and see if that works. | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-11-11, 4:42 pm |
| I have fresh forward and reverse active directory integrated lookup zones running, still no resolution. | |
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| quote:
Originally posted by Lucidity
Prestaging a computer account means that you have assigned a particular RIS server to provide the RIS image. Basically, you are administratively dictating which servers will answer their respective clients.
thanks for your response and remember: NOT COMBAT. you say that you donīt have time to make extensive explanations.
slinky only provide their % of knowledge to complete what i need to learn. i understand your points and increase the robustness of the knowledge with their explanation.
this is the purpose of this forum. i put the question, i know the answer but i had some doubts with certain options. i put the questions only to clarify myself my brain and the results are positive.
i think that everyone here is on the same problem with the time. on the IT field, the time is crucial and we need to take advantage of all the time available for persnoal issues, working tasks and study. but this donīt mean that people here donīt dedicate time to make big answers and provide good links no matter the time is a problem. remember this: when you explain, or clarify something, you are refreshing your knowledge and making this knowledge more robust, and everytime you answer a similar question or provide your explanation, more easy for you is to know about certain objetives and materials.
sorry my english. | |
| Lucidity 2002-11-11, 5:23 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by me? I dunno...
I have fresh forward and reverse active directory integrated lookup zones running, still no resolution.
Check your PM | |
| Slinky 2002-11-11, 5:53 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lucidity
Check your PM
Hey, you're hogging all the fun. Share with the rest of us. | |
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| me? I dunno... 2002-11-11, 6:24 pm |
| The client machine responded to the restructuring of the dns zones on dc1.
The third server responded to having it's network tcp/ip dns pointer changed from 127.0.0.1 to the addresse of dc1.
The second server had a dns zone installed in it that appears to have been a copy of the zones installed in dc1 (it was late), once I removed that it came around right away, and AD is now installed on bobnet2.
Slinky, I don't know how to make a screen capture and then transfer it to an internet connected machine, but my dns zone now looks to be the same structure as yours, one interesting point though, it seems I have to manually add hosts, is this right?
btw, I thank all of you! | |
| Slinky 2002-11-11, 7:01 pm |
| It all depends on whether or not your zone is configured to accept dynamic updates. I don't have to do anything with mine, they are added automatically. |
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