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'Slaughtered' like a pig
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| unreal 2002-09-24, 3:20 am |
| This is the 'toughest' exam I've so far.
All 'real life' questions, that I've never seen before.
All hard work down to the drain 
God! | |
| robertmillar 2002-09-24, 7:20 am |
| The hard work will pay of in the end. Keep going mate. | |
| Pavlov 2002-09-24, 8:58 am |
| Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and go back at it. Don't feel too bad. I failed 217 the first time too  It is quickly earning a reputation for being the mini-beast.
Best to you on your retake. | |
| claudio rivas 2002-09-24, 5:36 pm |
| I understand you, i failed too.
I couldn't compare this test with the other 210 and 215, this test it's much harder.
We need to do it better on the next time. | |
| unreal 2002-09-24, 6:58 pm |
| I realised MS Exam ,requires not only you know the 'basics', they really wants you to 'act' like a 'Pro'& 'old-hand' in 'real-life'. They throw you a problem, and expects you to get it right in '2 minutes' dead-line !!!
In the first 10 questions, I thought, ok, the easy ones are going to come , But I GOD DAM WRONG and was 'slaughtered' right to the end
Where do I go from here | |
| Zaraspook 2002-09-24, 8:41 pm |
| Sorry to here that unreal. Just identify your weaknesses and concentrate on those areas. Then go back and pass it the next time. The game is in your favor now, you know what to expect! | |
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| Sorry to hear that! keep work hard and I'm sure you'll pass it! | |
| CyberDude 2002-09-25, 7:58 am |
| If you read the M$ info for every exam, you will find that you are supposed to have so much experience in a particular environment, before you are supposed to take the exam.
Not everyone has this priveledge, which is why you need to do some solid study work, and use a home lab for loads of hands on.
Keep a stiff upper lip and revitalise your studies.  | |
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| robertmillar 2002-09-25, 9:17 am |
| tough break claudio. Get straight back on the horse and go for it again. Study hard then have a night off before you do the exam again. Need to be able to concentrate on the questions and you can only do that if you are well rested. Good luck | |
| Pavlov 2002-09-25, 10:57 am |
| Did you use Transcender to help prepare? If not, then get it and take a random test. The great thing about Transcender is it will tell you where your weak areas are and that way you can focus on those objectives and review the others before your retake. | |
| claudio rivas 2002-09-25, 11:22 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pavlov
Did you use Transcender to help prepare? If not, then get it and take a random test. The great thing about Transcender is it will tell you where your weak areas are and that way you can focus on those objectives and review the others before your retake.
I have use the Measure Up this one is like Trascender (i guess), what could you tell me about this one (it's good or bad)? | |
| Riverwind6 2002-09-25, 3:33 pm |
| I just passed my 215 today and am starting to study for 217.
I have one question though.. I thought 215 was really hard(I never had any real life experience, I'm doing my practice on a 2K Server laptop) and I am wondering if it means 217 will be so extremely hard?
Any comment is appreciated. | |
| Slinky 2002-09-25, 6:45 pm |
| If you thought 70-215 is hard, then you are in for an experience.  And I don't mean a good one. I thought 70-217 was a nightmare compared to 70-215. I think just about everyone will agree with that. That was the first exam that I came really close to failing, I mean one more question wrong and I would have failed. Not trying to scare you, but its definately more difficult. | |
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| I dont think 217 is a nightmare! It's just fair as long as you understand AD, grab W2k Resoucekit, Distributed Sys, read it and you'll be ready! | |
| unreal 2002-09-25, 9:39 pm |
| It's far from over , I'm trying out 'transcender' to get back at it. I think the way I study & the study guide is not on-the-right track to success.
Next time...i guess the 'fairy-tale' of ''217' being 'EZ' was a bad, bad mistake
ps. hey claudio rivas good-luck to your next attempt | |
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| there are quite a number of books on active directory, buy one and use it to supplement your study, it will be very good investment.
the resource kit is great, and many of them as pointed out freely avaiable on technet. The Win2k server administrator's companion is also pretty neat. if you work with win2k, be sure to get it.
go to amazon.com and search for *active directory* in the book section, lots of return. I don't work with system that much so I don't have a good sense of the books, but I would generally go with the customer's rating there. I do have the AD for dummie book (why do I even bother with any dummies book...) and the AD Black Book by coriolis and that book is neat.
basically, think real world, use resources that train you to use the technologies in the real world and then use the exam specific books/outline etc to help you focus/narrow down... but know the whole. | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-09-26, 3:21 am |
| Keep going, 217 was one of the hardest exams that I have taken to date. Considering the vast range of topics it covers and the fact that it's a new concept means that it's a lot of information to take in.
You now know what to expect and what areas you need to improve upon.
The next time you will pass.
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| tiberios12 2002-09-30, 11:09 am |
| How does 217 compared to 216? | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-09-30, 11:45 am |
| I would say that they are both as difficult as each other.
217 because of the sheer volume of new information that you need to know for active directory (GPO's FSMO's etc.)
216 because it tests your knowledge to the limit on a Microsoft networking environment (WINS, DDNS, RRAS, DHCP BIND.)
216 is the deciding test if you should be an MCSE as you need to know everything regarding Microsoft networking.
Along with IIS these two are the hardest exams I have sat to date.
Hope this helps.
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| TechFreak 2002-09-30, 3:40 pm |
| I took 217 today for the second time . and passed... it is a really easy test once you find your weakness and work on that..... those of you who have yet to take it . dont let others scare you with how hard it may be .. remember . we are all diffrent in our own ways of understanding things. if you just put your mind to it .. you will pass..... now i am on to studying for 70-226 Designing web based soloutions... so talk wiht you all laters...... | |
| robertmillar 2002-09-30, 3:59 pm |
| CONGRATULATIONS | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-09-30, 5:01 pm |
| Having come from a Novell background I found the concept of Active Directory similar to NDS. The problem was learning how Microsoft implemented a directory service and the main features of their product.
Once I got my head round that it became common sense but it was still a huge learning curve.
So depending upon your experience and background it could make certain exams harder than others.
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| jeff_j_black 2002-09-30, 5:49 pm |
| Before you read another book or take another practice exam, start with the Exam Objectives from the Microsoft site: Skills Being Measured
If you are self-studying for this, your lab should include a minimum of two networked computers and you will probably find that is not enough to get hands on with the various skills you need to be familiar with.
Also go through the How-To and Step by Step guides on the Technet site. You can figure out which ones to go through by looking at the course outline: 2154 Implementing Active Directory
If you follow this technique, you can pretty much write your own book, with labs and all. This is what I have done for every exam I took since 216. (I took the cores in order: 210, 215, 216, 217...) | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-09-30, 5:57 pm |
| Hey Jeff,
How is the studying at the moment? I'm not too far away from 219 now, then it opens up a new world of hurt after the MCSE!
I have kept notes from every one of the exams regarding study and resource materials. To be honest it's the best way to collect a knowledge base of the Windows 2000 structure.
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| jeff_j_black 2002-10-01, 6:10 am |
| Actually working on the 70-214, Implementing Security Beta exam. I was kind of half heartedly getting started on CCNP, but alot of stuff is up at work. So I have been pounding out a lot of different scenarios in the lab. But hey, a free Microsoft exam for which there aren't even books or practice exams yet.
Best of luck on 219, sound like it changed a bit, but dont let that throw you. | |
| unreal 2002-10-04, 8:44 am |
| A final word for those of you who is at the brink of taking the 217-
" It pays to get certified ".
- There's nothing in this world close to the real thing. Take the exam and learn from the mistakes.
There's nobody to help except your very own self.
Till next time...... | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-10-04, 10:51 am |
| Best of luck Unreal, I know you will do well... | |
| Smokeey13 2002-10-05, 11:58 am |
| I am glad I had the opportunity to go to a 9 month class for MCSE 2000. Personally, I didnt find the 70-217 to be too difficult. 70-216 was really really tough though but I passed on 1st try. 70-215 and 70-217 I scored the best out of the 8 I took. I guess it all depends on the person, who finds which exams harder than others... 70-216 and 70-222 were scary exams. 70-217, if you have a solid understanding of Group Policy.. the DNS/Domain Hierarchy and OU Structure.. Everything else should fall into place from pervious exams you would have taken. I'll admit though.. I was kinda scared to take it.. from everyone else telling me it was hard.. So.. I studied for like 3 weeks before that one | |
| tiberios12 2002-10-14, 12:17 pm |
| Hang in there. You know what to expect now. What are you using to study with? | |
| unreal 2002-10-14, 9:40 pm |
| I thought the NewRider 217 Training Kit was sufficient for me to jump over the 217 hurdle. It is a really 'thick' book, and I would rate it above average . All my exam, I pretty much depended on the New Rider, but I don't think the New Rider book on the 216 was 'good'.
Suprisingly, when it comes to the real exam, 'it' just didn't 'lift me'. I think I didn't not include latest 'practice exam' for my preparation.
Now I on the 'transcender', 'Test-King', 'Troytech', 'Technet', make a come-back next month, on the 18th. You'be pretty amaze, seems like I'm coming back with a vengence
Dam, I have to study so hard |
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