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How do some people do it....?
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| jlagasse 2003-05-30, 7:41 am |
| I know some people that have their MCSE and wouldn't know how to logon to a PC. I wonder how these people do it. I do this stuff 8 hrs a day for 13 years and some stupid car mechanic goes and takes the exams and passes. It gives me more incentive to get mine. | |
| adam salam 2003-05-30, 8:34 am |
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Originally posted by jlagasse
I know some people that have their MCSE and wouldn't know how to logon to a PC. I wonder how these people do it. I do this stuff 8 hrs a day for 13 years and some stupid car mechanic goes and takes the exams and passes. It gives me more incentive to get mine.
I tell you how, study and work hard.
I don't think anyone can be an mcse without studying and hard, with practical work as well.
I have studied and do all practical works and simulations, for 5 monthes to pass only two exams, 210, 215. | |
| jlagasse 2003-05-30, 8:39 am |
| I know what you mean. There is just too much information to learn and so much studying. Keep up the good work! | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-05-30, 11:10 am |
| There are essentially three paths to any certification.
a) Study to pass the test by using brain dumps. Basically memorize as many possible questions as you can get your hands on. Not very legitemate.
b) Study to pass the test by reading book(s) to obtain vocabulary and concepts. Legitemate but no practical experience.
c) Work in a practical lab environment, gain experience in a real working environment, read books to obtain vocabulary and concepts, then study to pass the test. This is the ideal method and is what is intended by the vendors that provide the certifications. All of the MCP exam descriptions include the prerequisite that the candidate should have a certain level of experience. The unfortunate part of the process is that this is not required or enforced.
The certification process is valid provided that the candidate is also gaining real experience. | |
| RenatoBerana 2003-05-30, 12:53 pm |
| same thing here jeff, you know i have a colleague here who's a MCSE, he doenst even know how to reset password, how to promote a server to DC. I asked him how he managed to passed those 7 exams, he admitted to me that in india there is an exam center that is offering this kind of stuff, you will pay a certain amount then somebody will take the exams for you. this is an insult for us, for those who are working hard and studying hard to get certification. | |
| RenatoBerana 2003-05-30, 12:56 pm |
| sorry jeff, im referring to jlagasse. sorry gain | |
| DivxGuy 2003-05-30, 1:43 pm |
| I made getting mine a full-time job for 3 months, and my days tended to be filled with constant reading and cramming.
If you drag the process out too long, you'll end up forgetting a lot of stuff.
Those of us who don't do this for a living have little choice but to cram.
The braindump users incense me, because they devalue these certifications to the point where they have little value. Once, the MCSE was a hot certification, but thanks in no small part to the braindumpers, not anymore.
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| jlagasse 2003-05-30, 2:18 pm |
| I'm a Network Administrator for W2K, NT 4.0, and Novell servers and I'm all alone working at a corporate office. Been doing it for about 13 years now. 75% of the stuff I study I usually do at work anyway, so that helps a great deal. It's the guys with 1 year experience that have MCSEs that you have to worry about. I would never higher them. You could always ask a "paper" MCSE how to determine subnets and see the reaction on their face. Probably don't even know what an IP address is.
Thx for your guys feedback. | |
| DivxGuy 2003-05-30, 2:32 pm |
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You could always ask a "paper" MCSE how to determine subnets and see the reaction on their face. Probably don't even know what an IP address is.
Actually I did OK on those questions (I have a programming background, so bitmasks are no biggie for me).
As for answer "C," not all of us have the opportunity to work in the real world, but we still need the kind of knowledge that comes with earning the certifications in question.
RD | |
| adam salam 2003-05-30, 3:12 pm |
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Originally posted by jlagasse
You could always ask a "paper" MCSE how to determine subnets and see the reaction on their face. Probably don't even know what an IP address is.
I don't think it's that worse.
How someone can pass that 7 exams without that basics. |
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