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| adam salam 2003-05-12, 4:57 am |
| When I finished W2k NAT services study, I was very happy that I could use one of my machines as a NAT server instead of my ADSL router, off course I need at least one Public IP address.
My home network scenario is like that:
Four machines: 2 running w2k Pro and 2 running w2k server.
They are all in one LAN connected to one Switch and the switch is connecting all of them to my ADSL router to the Internet.
My ISP serves me through my analog phone line, and providing me with the ADSL Internet connection, my phone cable using RJ-11 STD plug to connect to the ADSL Router.
Is it possible to use one of my w2k servers to operate as NAT server in that scenario, using network adapter interface, and how I can change the RJ-11 interface from telephone jack to RJ-45 interface?
Thanks  | |
| mrdelete 2003-05-13, 12:17 pm |
| HI ;
how do u do ?
i read u post about Nat server .
u must install routing and remote access in one of u windows server then install nat and configure its public interface and internal interface so it'a clear that u gonna need 2 network card one for local interface and another for public one .
is u IP address static ? if so u need to configure it on public interface .
and here u gonna need the router or u may find a converter from rj 11 to rj 45 .
and if u ip address dynamic so u must have a dial up tool like a modem or modems banks maybe for large network .
and if u want to access u home network from outside u can install dhcp realy agent same with NAT . and install a dhcp server to the
other server u have , that if u want to assign to remote clienta a specific configuration . or u can u set a static pool instead of dhcp relay agent but in that case the clients will have the same configuration as RRAS and use the same DNS and the same gateway .
i know that i still didn't answer u question
but i'm trying to help .
i hope that u send me the reply ..
bye bye  | |
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| Slinky 2003-05-13, 1:55 pm |
| Why in the heck do you want to convert RJ-11 to RJ-45?  The RJ-11 cable goes from the wall to the modem, and a Cat 5 cable goes from the modem to the NIC that you assign your public address to. The other NIC is connected to the private network. After you do that you will need to install the NAT protocol in Routing & Remote Access, and in the NAT window you will need to add both these interfaces. On the public interface you will need to select the "Public" radio button and check "Translate TCP/UDP...". On the private interface you will need to select the "Private interface..." radio button. | |
| Slinky 2003-05-13, 1:56 pm |
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| adam salam 2003-05-13, 2:03 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Slinky
Why in the heck do you want to convert RJ-11 to RJ-45? The RJ-11 cable goes from the wall to the modem, and a Cat 5 cable goes from the modem to the NIC that you assign your public address to. The other NIC is connected to the private network. After you do that you will need to install the NAT protocol in Routing & Remote Access, and in the NAT window you will need to add both these interfaces. On the public interface you will need to select the "Public" radio button and check "Translate TCP/UDP...". On the private interface you will need to select the "Private interface..." radio button.
Slinky ,I have no problem configure my RRAS, NAT, private, public interfaces, and so.....
my Q is I would like to eliminate the use of my adsl router and connect w2k RRAS NAT directly to the Internet?
Is that possible or not? | |
| Slinky 2003-05-13, 2:14 pm |
| When you say "ADSL router" are you talking about a Linksys one that has a built in switch, for example? The Cat 5 cable goes from the modem to the computer, and the other NIC goes into the switch ports on the router. You can either continue using your router as a switch only, or you can get a standalone switch or hub and have the same results. | |
| mrdelete 2003-05-14, 1:15 am |
| hi ;
how are u ?
i think if u find that converter u'll elminate the use of u router .
but what about the switch ..
i think also ADSL it need a device like the router for work cause it must be different then analog phone lines ( async).
i hope when u find what u lookin for send me the reply ..............>>>
thanksssss | |
| ajimboalogo 2003-05-21, 11:07 am |
| If you want to continue using ADSL for your Internet access....you have to keep the ADSL modem. When you say you want to bypass ADSL it sounds to me like you want to go directly async (pots modem). Why??? You would have to install a normal modem in your box...configure that as your public interface in RRAS. My friend, you're going backwards....stay with the ADSL. | |
| adam salam 2003-05-21, 3:12 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by ajimboalogo
If you want to continue using ADSL for your Internet access....you have to keep the ADSL modem. When you say you want to bypass ADSL it sounds to me like you want to go directly async (pots modem). Why??? You would have to install a normal modem in your box...configure that as your public interface in RRAS. My friend, you're going backwards....stay with the ADSL.
You point to what I mean directly thanks.
When I have read that w2k can be a “ROUTER” I said that’s a good news .
So I can use my ADSL NAT router else where, and use one of my w2k machines instead of it, If I got it right, other wise why they saying w2k capable of routing services?
If I need to use another device (Modem or Router) to Make a w2k machine acting as a router that means for me that I didn’t know what they mean by w2k RRAS? | |
| ajimboalogo 2003-05-21, 4:33 pm |
| Routing in RRAS simply means that the W2K server acts as an IP or IPX router....RIP version1/version2 OSPF. The ADSL box you refer to is actually a modem, not a router. RRAS can refer to routing, remote access (VPN or Dial-up), and has capabilities for NAT and ICS. Network Address Translation and Internet Connection Sharing is only used to allow several pc's in your network to access the ADSL modem. W2K has no way of knowing if you are using ADSL, Cable, Frame Relay etc to access the Internet...it just performs the function of allowing several machines to access through whatever means you are using. Hope this helps. | |
| adam salam 2003-05-22, 1:12 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by ajimboalogo
Routing in RRAS simply means that the W2K server acts as an IP or IPX router....RIP version1/version2 OSPF. The ADSL box you refer to is actually a modem, not a router. RRAS can refer to routing, remote access (VPN or Dial-up), and has capabilities for NAT and ICS. Network Address Translation and Internet Connection Sharing is only used to allow several pc's in your network to access the ADSL modem. W2K has no way of knowing if you are using ADSL, Cable, Frame Relay etc to access the Internet...it just performs the function of allowing several machines to access through whatever means you are using. Hope this helps.
thanks for the great info.
the device I am using to connect to the internet is a router with all the capabliti of router function:
telnet to CLI with a long list of commands to configure it.
DHCP sever
DNS sever
RIP v1 v2
TCP/IP, IPX/SPX
Access list (firewall) with the ability to
Interfaces configuration.....
enter command line interface and configure your own access lists:
inound and outbound traffic
D IP address S IP address
Protocls used: TCP or UDP
protocol Port number and so on........
and support must of network protocols.
I can configure my router from the command line to do every thing I like it to do or stop any service like any router, it's not with the capability of Cisco routers but it has the capability given by w2k routing services and more.
anyway I have one Q:
my Q is I would like to eliminate the use of that router and connect w2k RRAS NAT directly to the Internet, without using any means?
Is that possible or not? | |
| ajimboalogo 2003-05-22, 8:47 am |
| Well!!!!!!
Thanx for clearing that up.....of course you can bypass the router....however, it does sound like a very capable piece of equipment. Of course RRAS has all those functions....hahaha....I wasn't aware you were routing TOO the modem. Yes, I would go directly from my RRAS box to the ADSL modem...less equipment, less Tshooting when you have a problem. Cheers mate!!!! Sell the d@#$ router....W2k very capable. | |
| adam salam 2003-05-22, 10:31 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by ajimboalogo
Well!!!!!!
Thanx for clearing that up.....of course you can bypass the router....however, it does sound like a very capable piece of equipment. Of course RRAS has all those functions....hahaha....I wasn't aware you were routing TOO the modem. Yes, I would go directly from my RRAS box to the ADSL modem...less equipment, less Tshooting when you have a problem. Cheers mate!!!! Sell the d@#$ router....W2k very capable.
Ignoring what you have said about my "very capable piece of equipment",
I don't know why people here don't believe that some one can have a router in his home network?
Anyway the raising Q now:
How can I convert from RJ-11 telephone line to RJ-45 NIC card?
Thanks | |
| ajimboalogo 2003-05-22, 11:52 am |
| I'm having a hard time understanding the reason. RJ-11 is the connector for phone lines, RJ-45 is the connector for NIC (CAT-5)cable. Both cat-5 and phone lines use twisted pair....but to connect to a nic, need RJ-45, to connect to phone outlet RJ-11....are you saying you have an RJ-11 connector on your ADSL modem?? I dont really understand buddy. Need more info, thanx. | |
| adam salam 2003-05-22, 12:47 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by ajimboalogo
I'm having a hard time understanding the reason. RJ-11 is the connector for phone lines, RJ-45 is the connector for NIC (CAT-5)cable. Both cat-5 and phone lines use twisted pair....but to connect to a nic, need RJ-45, to connect to phone outlet RJ-11....are you saying you have an RJ-11 connector on your ADSL modem?? I dont really understand buddy. Need more info, thanx.
seems to be you don't read my original post, which made me like a narrator !!!
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When I finished W2k NAT services study, I was very happy that I could use one of my machines as a NAT server instead of my ADSL router, off course I need at least one Public IP address.
My home network scenario is like that:
Four machines: 2 running w2k Pro and 2 running w2k server.
They are all in one LAN connected to one Switch and the switch is connecting all of them to my ADSL router to the Internet.
My ISP serves me through my analog phone line, and providing me with the ADSL Internet connection, my phone cable using RJ-11 STD plug to connect to the ADSL Router.
Is it possible to use one of my w2k servers to operate as NAT server in that scenario, using network adapter interface, and how I can change the RJ-11 interface from telephone jack to RJ-45 interface?
Thanks
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Yes I have an RJ-11 connector on my ADSL modem. any suggestion? | |
| ajimboalogo 2003-05-22, 1:06 pm |
| Nope.....need the ADSL modem...absolutely. W2K does not function as ADSL modem. The modem acts as converting the signal carried over the phone lines....to one that is sent over the cat-5 cable to your nic(PPPoE). the PPoE protocol is set up on the W2K server. If you want ADSL you need the phone connection to the ADSL modem...and cat-5 to the nic onboard the server. Cannot be changed. | |
| ajimboalogo 2003-05-22, 1:11 pm |
| Here....
1./ 4 pc's in LAN connect to your W2K server using private NIC
2./ The W2K server set up with NAT in RRAS settings
3./ Public NIC connects to the ADSL modem using cat-5 cable and RJ-45 connectors
4./ Cat-5 cable goes to RJ-45 connector on ADSL modem
5./ Phone line from RJ-11 connector on ADSL modem goes to phone outlet.
That is the only way to allow Private pc's to all access the Internet thru ADSL....or of course ICS.
THE ONLY WAY!!! | |
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| ahpama 2003-05-25, 11:20 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by adam salam
Ignoring what you have said about my "very capable piece of equipment",
I don't know why people here don't believe that some one can have a router in his home network?
Anyway the raising Q now:
How can I convert from RJ-11 telephone line to RJ-45 NIC card?
Thanks
Look for a converter that has an RJ-11 socket and RJ-45. You can buy it on Computer shops. |
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