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| jwulf2000 2003-02-09, 4:33 pm |
| Ok, I've now failed 70-216 twice. I've read Sybex, Exam Cram, and have my own lab network. I've passed 70-210, 215, and 218 with flying colors. I need help!! So what is Ultima to, HELP, add to my knowledge base??? | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-02-09, 5:13 pm |
| Start with the exam topics to be covered at the Microsoft site. If you've already worked through a book, there may just be topics that you need to drill down on. You can supplement your studies with the Resource Kit online at Technet. | |
| ecunupe 2003-02-10, 7:52 pm |
| what area's do you feel that you are weakest on? concentrate on those areas and do plenty of hands-on. | |
| ruscorp 2003-02-10, 8:24 pm |
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Originally posted by jwulf2000
Ok, I've now failed 70-216 twice. I've read Sybex, Exam Cram, and have my own lab network. I've passed 70-210, 215, and 218 with flying colors. I need help!! So what is Ultima to, HELP, add to my knowledge base???
You must have some sort of weak spots, what are they? | |
| luisjo 2003-02-11, 10:39 pm |
| I think if you use ultima, testking, troytech, testkiller you be cheating, is better to loose than to be a paper cert.
Good luck, buy the mspress kit, better second edition, and then read the osborne book for the 216 they will help you out.
Good luck | |
| gcw123 2003-02-17, 4:47 am |
| Ultima is braindump, don't promote it here. | |
| jwulf2000 2003-02-19, 6:08 pm |
| My weakness is the lack of experience using this stuff. I manage a network consisting of 3 server (2 W2k and 1 Nt4) and 50 clients. I have been managing this network for 1 1/2 years now and did second level helpdesk for 2 years before that. I have had my own Domain (at home) with all of the toys installed (ie. IIS, VPN, Dialup and In, NAT, DNS, DHCP, BAckups, Raid5, 2 servers replicating everything, and the list goes on.
I just keep trying at this test but can't seem to get it! So thanks for your support and I will keep trying.
As far as supporting Ultima, I am not! I am only asking. If it will help add to my "knowledge" and help me "learn" more about the skills being tested and used out in the "real world" then by all means I will use it for that purpose. | |
| Teratoma 2003-02-20, 9:40 am |
| I just took 70-215 yesterday (and passed) and I am taking 70-216 on 2/27 or 28. I was using older transcenders and then got TestKing. testking was dead on!! Some of the questions were nearly word for word (even the one that was worded incorrectly and invalidates the question). My suggestion is to go and get TestKing...it'll be the best $40 you will ever spend. And it is NOT cheating...I don't like "paper" MCSEs either...but taking MS exams can be tough especially when DO have the real world experience and have not gone thru any official MS courses. Microsoft's view of the world is narrow and sometimes not very realistic. I have been in the business for over 7 years and now am forced to get my MCSE because the market is very competitive in this economy.
You are doing all of the right things...you just need a little extra help. One word of caution...TestKing's explanations are lacking sometimes, I know one of the people who helped to write the explanations...they have gotten better. Always test honestly and make sure you review ALL of the answers, not just the wrong ones. Know why the answer is right not just why it is wrong.
Now you know why they call 70-216 "The Beast". | |
| ruscorp 2003-02-20, 10:32 am |
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Originally posted by Teratoma
I just took 70-215 yesterday (and passed) and I am taking 70-216 on 2/27 or 28. I was using older transcenders and then got TestKing. testking was dead on!! Some of the questions were nearly word for word (even the one that was worded incorrectly and invalidates the question). My suggestion is to go and get TestKing...it'll be the best $40 you will ever spend. And it is NOT cheating...I don't like "paper" MCSEs either...but taking MS exams can be tough especially when DO have the real world experience and have not gone thru any official MS courses. Microsoft's view of the world is narrow and sometimes not very realistic. I have been in the business for over 7 years and now am forced to get my MCSE because the market is very competitive in this economy.
You are doing all of the right things...you just need a little extra help. One word of caution...TestKing's explanations are lacking sometimes, I know one of the people who helped to write the explanations...they have gotten better. Always test honestly and make sure you review ALL of the answers, not just the wrong ones. Know why the answer is right not just why it is wrong.
Now you know why they call 70-216 "The Beast".
Let the flaming begin... | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-02-20, 12:22 pm |
| I can't speak for everyone, but most of us have been studying along all right without stealing the answers to the exam.
Many of us work in the field, study at home or take courses and still are able to pass the exam, without stealing the answers to the exam.
In fact, I have worked on my own eqipment at home, that I bought and built. Bought my own books. Studied night and day.
It's not Microsoft that you are cheating, it is me that you are cheating, when you steal the answers to the exam.
I would have just ignored another piece of @#$% post about the virtues of using brain dumps, if you had not made the claim that 'it is not cheating because' insert @#$% for brains excuse here.
Stealing and memorizing the answers to the exam is cheating. Take a step back, look in the mirror and ask if you want to pass your kind of morality on to the next generation.
The problem with the entire world right now is that too many people are rationalizing their own morality, based on doing whatever it takes to make themselves feel good, get more money and stuff and get laid more often.
Maybe you can get the cheat sheet for the exam that you'll take on your judgement day. | |
| luisjo 2003-02-20, 1:47 pm |
| Great point of view, is not like the old times that people respected the rules, they have moral, etics, now is pure b u l l s h i t, most of the poeple cares only for been well paid, not caring how, even if you kill somebody to get it.
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| jwulf2000 2003-02-21, 11:06 am |
| All this because I was wondering what Ultima was. Again to clirify I am not trying to memorize answers and/or questions, nor am I attempting to cheat. I have simply read 2 (almost 3) different books, setup a lab environment (that works quite nicely), and watched all of the CBT Nugget videos for MCSE but still cant seem to pass it. Now I think it is fair to say that I have been giving it a fair try and still am trying to do it the right way.
My problem, I think, is the "play on words". Some of the questions just don't seem to fit the answers. In other words the answers given are not the only way to fix the problem and/or why would you have gotten into such a problem in the first place if you knew what you were doing.
Admit it, some of the questions that Microsoft asks you have got to be saying to yourself "what kind of idiot would have set it up this way in the first place".
Or maybe I just am lacking the experience. Anyway sorry for the trouble. | |
| luisjo 2003-02-23, 9:38 am |
| Jwullf dont worry, theres one sin in these forums is talking about braindumps, cheatsheets, because many people use them, and they feel that they are like some of us that pass the test only on our experience, to pass a microsoft exam you have to read between lines to understand what they want. Dont worry, why dont you try the 70-217 or 70-218 exam first then go to the beast. like im doing.
Good luck. | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-02-23, 9:59 am |
| Legitemate test software will get you ready for the MS lingo. Just remember that sometimes none of the answers are the ideal solution, but one of them is 'most' correct. | |
| chodan 2003-02-25, 8:30 pm |
| I think that your experience should be sufficient to pass but maybe your networking theory needs beefing up.
The other tests you mentioned only brush against serious networking topics, whereas 216 dives into them head first.
You might need to go back and look at some networking fundementals, then revisit the 216 study using the logic gained from that study.
If you are firmly grounded in networking you will intuit wrong answers by the process of elimination.
Once you know what can't be right you are left with the correct answer. | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-02-26, 8:13 am |
| Right on Chodan!!! Hows the Exchange wrangling going? | |
| chodan 2003-02-26, 8:17 am |
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Originally posted by jeff_j_black
Right on Chodan!!! Hows the Exchange wrangling going?
The way I'm going about it is making the change over smoother as well as allowing me to go at a more managable pace.
I sure do like Exchange 2K for features and its really more managable than 5.5. | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-02-26, 8:26 am |
| I'm just studying along, but it is very clear the benefits. Weed out directory to the NOS, protocols to IIS and all you have left is managing storage. | |
| chodan 2003-02-26, 8:38 pm |
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Originally posted by jeff_j_black
I'm just studying along, but it is very clear the benefits. Weed out directory to the NOS, protocols to IIS and all you have left is managing storage.
You planning to upgrade to .net track??
I'm up in the air on it mostly depending on how much progress I make with CCIE written in the nex 6 months or so.
I'm trying to angle several projects at work toward using Cisco gear so I can justify more Cisco training 
Hopefully with lots of hands on labs. | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-02-27, 7:43 am |
| Yes, I am thinking about the net track after I work out on Exchange 2k. Wow, your going for CCIE! Great! | |
| chodan 2003-02-27, 8:55 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by jeff_j_black
Yes, I am thinking about the net track after I work out on Exchange 2k. Wow, your going for CCIE! Great!
Not sure how great it will be
It will take me a long time for sure. | |
| shmccomas 2003-02-28, 8:01 pm |
| Based on all of the tests that I have taken, it's not what you should do in the real world, but what Microsoft thinks that you should do. It's as simple as that.
But please, correct me if I'm wrong...
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| jeff_j_black 2003-02-28, 8:28 pm |
| Thats part of the certification process. The Certificate is essentially the intellectual property of the Vendor. To pass the test you should understand their phylosophy. Practical experience is the most important component. | |
| chodan 2003-02-28, 8:42 pm |
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Originally posted by shmccomas
Based on all of the tests that I have taken, it's not what you should do in the real world, but what Microsoft thinks that you should do. It's as simple as that.
But please, correct me if I'm wrong...
I think that that is true some of the time but 9 times out of 10 it will be a best practice and match up with reality.
It's the tenth time that everyone remembers.
You can agree with most of the test but when you leave you will remember grinding over the fact that the option you would have chosen wasn't listed as an answer.
At least thats what I do.
hehe
When a MS test asks for the best solution in a routing situation I can never find:
"E. purchase and deploy cisco routers." listed in the possible answers. LOL | |
| luisjo 2003-03-01, 9:57 am |
| Nice to see you, can you help me out, i want to know how hard is the 70218 test, do you know...
Thanks
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| shmccomas 2003-03-01, 12:19 pm |
| I agree with the Cisco routers..... | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-03-01, 3:32 pm |
| Best practice: Cisco Routers... | |
| chodan 2003-03-02, 1:12 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by luisjo
Nice to see you, can you help me out, i want to know how hard is the 70218 test, do you know...
Thanks
Never taken it actually.
Too much other stuff on my plate.
Also in my situation it wouldn't provide much value IMHO. | |
| Teratoma 2003-03-05, 1:28 pm |
| This is my first chance to reply as I have been working and attending school full time.
Where do I start.....
I certainly have never "memorized any answers". Test prep software is tool...tools are neither good or bad(some are better than others) it's how the tool is used. I use exam prep to test my knowledge...if I get a Q right I make sure I understand why, if I get a Q wrong then I know where I am lacking in which case I read, research, and practice (when possible). I do not have a lab at home...no space for one even if I had the money. My access to resources is limited at times. Test prep keeps me on track and helps me to focus on my shortcomings.
I know plenty of bright and talented people that just can't take a test to save their life. Some people get very intimidated during exams, especially a timed one. So why can't that person prepare him/herself with testprep? Do they not deserve a shot?
Get off your F*ing high horses. If the job market wasn't as bad as it is in NY I wouldn't even be persuing my MCSE. I need to do this to survive. A MS cert is a useless piece of paper that only HR recruiters and idiots are impressed by. I have worked with plenty of MCSEs in my time and have been impressed by very few. I hate paper MCSEs as much as the next guy.
I learn the material and work in the field, I do the best job I can, and at the end of the day I have no problem looking myself in the mirror or sleeping.
Before anyone says I have ^*&% for brains, come to NY and try to survive in the real world.
And by the way....I passed 70-210 without testking...I looked at testking 3 hours before my 70-215 exam... I passed both without a problem.
On the issue of morality....GET SOME PERSPECTIVE!! Unless Bill Gates releives St. Peter at the pearly gates your Certs won't mean sh**. My Morality is based on how I raise my son to be better person, on how I love my wife and my family, it's based upon how I treat my fellow man and how I treat myself. You have to be pretty shallow to base your morality on anything else. When was the last time you truely gave to charity, helpded a stranger or the needy or homeless or the sick? What is the true measure of a man? His certs?? HA!
Use the certs to get you the interview. Get your foot in the door, forget your certs, and get to work and prove yourself. Certs are NOT the measure of a tech or engineer, it's how they actually do their job (if they can do it at all). When you totally F* up on the Job just hold up your cert to the boss and tell him it'll be okay.
Certs mean sh** in the REAL world, you should try to visit it sometime.
see you in hell! | |
| jeff_j_black 2003-03-06, 7:26 am |
| NYC, the only real part of the world.
When your son gets kicked out of college for stealing the exam, then all your hard work will be worth it.
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The problem with the entire world right now is that too many people are rationalizing their own morality, based on doing whatever it takes to make themselves feel good, get more money and stuff and get laid more often.
Couldn't have said it better myself... Oh I did!
Finally as a little act of charity, here's more free questions with explanations, than you can do in a week:
Cheapskate's Guide to Guilt-Free Practice Questions | |
| Teratoma 2003-03-06, 10:18 am |
| so does flaming others who don't fit into your narrow minded view make you feel good? who's rationalizing now?
I guess my first mistake was thinking that taking part here would expose me to the views of other IT proffessionals (emphasis on professionals)...instead I found adolescent wannbes. |
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