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| yanolito 2002-07-24, 5:20 pm |
| I have just returned with a concern, last week certain company requested me to install 15 computers in a network, they want that the server has Windows 2000 server and the other computers with Windows XP Professional.
truly never I have tried to connect 2000 server with Win XP and I dont know what to tell them..Did somebody has worked before with that?
I want to make the work but I have some fear, cause this is the first time since my Network+ that somebody requests me a network of such a magnitude.   | |
| Pavlov 2002-07-24, 5:30 pm |
| Treat the XP boxes as if they were 2000 Pro machines. Not much difference when adding them to a network. Take your time and be honest with the folks giving you the opportunity. Let them know this will be the first time you're setting something like this up. Is the cabling already there? Is there already a domain set up and you just need to join it? Get some of the basic information and bring your books so if you need them you have reference. Are they already using DHCP? Most of the work may already be done for you and you just need to join the domain. Setting up the server as a member server should be no problem and adding 15 workstations will be quite boring after the first 2 or so for you  | |
| yanolito 2002-07-24, 5:39 pm |
| They dont have anything... They buy the computers from me im going to install the domain,configure it and everithing, even installing the cables too. its just me and a frien that is the one that will install the cable. i took the hard ones. The configuration, it easy but you know theorical and practical are two different things. I have theorical but not the practice. Thats my fear.
I know what im going to do, but i never do it phisically. | |
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| jeff_j_black 2002-07-24, 5:55 pm |
| Just make sure to get XP Pro, not home edition. Home addition cannot participate in a domain. | |
| Tech Ranger 2002-07-24, 8:12 pm |
| Why can't XP Home join a domain? Win 95 can do that. | |
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| Tech Ranger 2002-07-24, 8:40 pm |
| From what I gather, the difference is that the XP box can log onto the domain but cannot process GPO's. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-07-24, 8:55 pm |
| They are gonna pay some bucks for the server license. It would be a shame to sell them something that might save them $50-$100 per client, but not serve them well in even the short term. It could be costly later on don't you think? I would hate to be admin for a lan where I can't at least administer or secure anything on the network. | |
| Tech Ranger 2002-07-24, 9:07 pm |
| Good point. Believe me, I would not advocate XP home for a network. I was just responding to what I thought was a comment to the effect that XP Pro cannot access a Win2K network. | |
| Deja-vue 2002-07-24, 10:37 pm |
| I run a mixed environment with Win2000 Servers and WinXPpro and win2000 workstations in my lab. No problem at all.
jeff_j_black is correct, XP-Home will NOT join a Domain.
Heck, even ME will join a domain, and it is the biggest piece of....
Well that is not the point here.
Pav is also right, just treat all the workstations as they were win2000. thats it.
good luck and let us know, how it went. | |
| yanolito 2002-07-24, 11:39 pm |
| how much they can pay?
i sell them the Pc's but i dont have any idea how to get paid by network configuration.
can you help?
1. Sever - Win2k server - $850
2. (4) workstations - WinXp Pro - $950 (ea)
3. 300 feet of cable - $.25 by feet
4. Hub 3com - $155
5. Network Configuration - ?
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| jeff_j_black 2002-07-25, 8:27 am |
| Also you have to figure the expense of fixtures etc for the cabling. If the have drop ceiling with drywall, no big deal, but older buildings with masonry need some kind of visually appealing treatment.
You get 2000 Server for how much? I found 2k server on the web with 5 CAL's for $700. Are the prices you listed with O/S?
Oh and don't forget to tack on our fee. | |
| Deja-vue 2002-07-25, 9:49 am |
| Just a little comparison of what we charge here.
windows 2000 Server with 5 Cal's about $585
WinXP-Pro.... $ 128 each
1000 Feet of Cat5 $39,95 or
500 Feet of Cat 5E $39,95
A good Hub/Router/Switch... $100
Dont forget all the small stuff like
Wallplates, punch-down blocks,Patchpanels,
clamps,mounting-hardware...
Now... these are my Prices. Would mark them up about 75%. On the Computers is no Money, or very little to be made.Too many Backjard-Geeks build Machines around here for next-to-nothing.
On the Cabling, i charge $150 per Drop-weather it's a 300 feet run or if it is 15 feet behind plaster or Drywall.
Good money is also made when it comes to make the whole system is to be configured, with users and groups, Active directory, backups,updates, roaming profiles,etc, etc.
Don't forget the UPS on the server.
If, for example my FTP Server at my House goes down, the UPS calls my Cell phone telling me to get my butt over there and fix the problem.Usually have 75 minutes, to do that.
(really, the UPS only sends some annoying beeps through the Cell, but i know whats up)
I am starting to make no sense anymore.
Point is, that you should not undersell yourself, and take a lot of points in consideration.A Job like this will keep you busy for awhile. They will keep calling you on a regular base, to come by and fix this, then fix that and look at some more things over there.
I have also noticed, that some of those Jobs get you new Customers, if the Job is done right.Make it look impressive, i am talking about the little things like the Patch panels are neatly mounted, the cables are straight and aligned.... and so on...
Good Luck on that Job.
Its great Experience! | |
| AMDWiZARD 2002-07-25, 2:38 pm |
| Did you know that the reason that Microsoft canned the early releases of tweak UI is because you could log into a domain with the home edition? | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-07-25, 2:44 pm |
| No way!!! That is cool. Where did you get that gem? | |
| Johnny5Alive 2002-07-26, 6:27 am |
| You also may want to charge your client an ongoing fee for keeping their system alive. Set a fixed monthly fee based on how many servers and how many workstations in the network. Servers are more obviously. Charge by saying each Server = $xx and each workstation costs $xx for continuing maintenence and repair work. Sorry, can't give you figures, you will know best from your local market going rate and what you can squeeze out of your client. | |
| wbafrank 2002-07-26, 6:36 am |
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Originally posted by jeff_j_black No way!!! That is cool. Where did you get that gem?
But you can still access data on a Windows NT4 or Windows 2000 Domain server with Home Edition .... | |
| TW2001 2002-07-26, 11:49 pm |
| Absolutely one of the most important things..a backup solution! Better plan your storage capicity and scalability too, as it is also something that can be very challenging to manage as well as get out of hand quickly. | |
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Originally posted by Tech Ranger
Why can't XP Home join a domain? Win 95 can do that.
winxp HOME canīt join to a domain.
A real issue that i found with my first XP laptop!! | |
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Originally posted by AMDWiZARD
Found IT!
http://fets3.freetranslation.com:50...l&Sequence=core
copy and paste. At the bottom you'll find a link to the TweakUI for Windows XP (the old version) which lets you log into a domain with the the Home Edition. BOOYA!
Later guys!
AMDWiZARD
Exactly WHERE say that xp HOME can log in on the damain with Tweak utility?
check this:
"Unlike all other previous Microsoft operating systems, XP Home will simply not work in an office network environment with NetWare, NT, Samba, or Windows 2000 servers. Period. You simply can't connect to the servers' domains or their file/print services."
http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupd...2820882,00.html
the feature you see on your link, is a automatic domain log in feature, only available on pro version! | |
| AMDWiZARD 2002-07-27, 5:24 am |
| Please read the post man. If you read the post, you will find out that the link takes you to the download site where you can download the old version of PowerTools for Windows XP. This will allow the Home edition to join the domain. The site is in german, so if you cant read German like me, you'll have to run the site through a translator.
On the site, they also give you a link to yet another program that will allow you to join the domain. I dont have Home Edition, so I'll take the site's words that you can do it (seeing as though everyone else can).
If not, it doesnt really bother me. Just buy the Pro version.
AMDWiZARD | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-07-27, 9:34 am |
| But back to the point... The dude wanted input regarding setting up a network for a business. And yes while you might be able to hack or tweak your way through, it's not a good practice for a business. Also from an administration standpoint, if you have systems you can't secure, was it worth the savings? Great article cm2gj. | |
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Originally posted by jeff_j_black
But back to the point... The dude wanted input regarding setting up a network for a business. And yes while you might be able to hack or tweak your way through, it's not a good practice for a business. Also from an administration standpoint, if you have systems you can't secure, was it worth the savings? Great article cm2gj.
THANKS JEFF.
I USE ONLY XP PRO ON MY WORKSTATIONS.
I WAS INVOLVED IN A BIG MIGRATION LAST WEEK, 53 NEW COMPAQ SERVERS HERE IN MEXICO, WITH THE HELP OF USA ENGINEERS (NOT CERTIFIED!! BUT LOT OF KNOWLEDGE).. ALL WKSTATIONS WAS MIGRATED TO WINXP PRO.... 500 WKS.... EVERYTHING SYNCH BETWEEN WASHINGTON / NY / MX / WHITEPLAINS...... PERFECT.. A BIG ENVIROMENT... EVERYTHING PERFECT!!!
NEXT MONDAY I NEED TO GO TO THIS CLIENT AT 7:00 AM TO ASSIST THE USERS WITH THE NEW SYSTEMS!!
A TRAINER MUST COME TO GIVE SOME TRAINING TO THEM TOO..
THANKS EVERYBODY | |
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Originally posted by AMDWiZARD
Please read the post man. If you read the post, you will find out that the link takes you to the download site where you can download the old version of PowerTools for Windows XP. This will allow the Home edition to join the domain. The site is in german, so if you cant read German like me, you'll have to run the site through a translator.
On the site, they also give you a link to yet another program that will allow you to join the domain. I dont have Home Edition, so I'll take the site's words that you can do it (seeing as though everyone else can).
If not, it doesnt really bother me. Just buy the Pro version.
AMDWiZARD
SORRY... I DONīT KNOW GERMAN... ONLY SPANISH.. AND A FEW WORDS IN ENGLISH (NOw BETTER MY ENGLISH BECAUSE I WORK A ENTERELY WEEK WITH USA ENGINEERS)...
REGARDING THE "BUY XP PRO" I USE XP PRO ALL THE TIME. WHEN I RECEIVE A HOME XP SYSTEM, JUST I UPGRADE TO HOME AND PRESERVE OLD SETTINGS... | |
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Originally posted by Deja-vue
I run a mixed environment with Win2000 Servers and WinXPpro and win2000 workstations in my lab. No problem at all.
jeff_j_black is correct, XP-Home will NOT join a Domain.
Heck, even ME will join a domain, and it is the biggest piece of....
Well that is not the point here.
Pav is also right, just treat all the workstations as they were win2000. thats it.
good luck and let us know, how it went.
HELLO DEJA-VUE... I MUST FINISH A+ CERT NEXT FRIDAY DEFINETIVELY... SO I MUST BE BACK TO 70216 TO SEE IF I CAN FINISH MCSE FOR 2K!!!
GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE!! | |
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Originally posted by AMDWiZARD
Found IT!
http://fets3.freetranslation.com:50...l&Sequence=core
copy and paste. At the bottom you'll find a link to the TweakUI for Windows XP (the old version) which lets you log into a domain with the the Home Edition. BOOYA!
Later guys!
AMDWiZARD
SORRY.... I SEARCH AND SEARCH AND DONīT FIND THE DOMAIN LOGIN FEATURE WITH HOME.... WHAT IS THE OTHER PROGRAM THAT PERMITS THIS FEATURE? AS YOU SAY?
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| AMDWiZARD 2002-07-27, 5:28 pm |
| Im not repeating myself. There's tons of screenshots on the site. | |
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Originally posted by AMDWiZARD
Im not repeating myself. There's tons of screenshots on the site.
the pics only show how to join a machine to a domain. Only have pics of how to join a domain automatically on PRO. Is not a feature for HOME. | |
| AMDWiZARD 2002-07-28, 3:12 pm |
| If it cant be done, then whats the purpose of their article? "Use Home edition like the Pro version." Is it to purposely mislead hundreds of people? The "bug" in the old version of the utility was to let the Home edition join a domain. Until Microsoft discovered it, then they pulled the utility. | |
| me? I dunno... 2002-07-28, 4:46 pm |
| while we're on the subject (sort of) does anybody know if there is a way to get xp-pro to workgroup with win2k? | |
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Originally posted by me? I dunno...
while we're on the subject (sort of) does anybody know if there is a way to get xp-pro to workgroup with win2k?
ah yes. of course. xp and 2k can live togheter in a workgroup. only use the same workgroup names. | |
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| vholman 2002-07-29, 10:51 am |
| P.S.: We have a mixture of Windows NT Server (2) and Windows 2000 with some systems running Windows XP and and other versions of Microsoft application softwares. |
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