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| kcrockett 2002-10-16, 12:25 pm |
| I have passed three of the CORE MSCE 2000 exams and 5 elective exams (the extra two were because I wanted the experience). However, I have taken 216 five times and still cannot pass it. I have read two different books, taken a cram course and studied three different cram notes (i.e. examcram, testkiller, and troytec) yet I still cannot seem to pass this one. The scenarios that are similar but not quite the same and subnetting are what I think is killing me. I can't afford to take it again and fail. Any advice? | |
| CyberDude 2002-10-16, 12:39 pm |
| I think you should stop thinking about the exam, and just get a whole load of hands on eperience, running through everything that you can do with W2K, again and again for a few weeks. Then, go back to your test engines, and then sit the beast for the final time.  | |
| kcrockett 2002-10-16, 12:41 pm |
| Actually, that is a problem too. I work with W2K daily and I administer several W2K, networks, servers and workstations. I know it inside and out, but I just don't seem to have what "Microsoft" wants for the answers. | |
| Pavlov 2002-10-16, 3:48 pm |
| Didn't CCNA require more complex subnetting than 216? I think my 216 test only had 3 or 4 subnetting questions 
Seriously, if you've taken the test 5 times you've probably seen the entire question pool MS has to offer up. Think back to your tests and try to pinpoint where you went wrong. Try taking a practice test with Transcender and it will tell you where your weak areas are and then you can focus in on those areas.
Which 2 books did you use? Troytec and Testkiller are paid dumps with wrong answers, so they're hurting you more than helping you. | |
| KScheler 2002-10-16, 4:09 pm |
| I have to agree with Pavlov and CyberDude.
Get as much hands-on as possible and take the troytecs & testkillers and use them to start the fireplace. Spend the extra money and get a good test engine like Transcender, Measure UP, or Self Test and go thru those untill you're scoring in the high 900's and really are understanding what the questions are asking. I used that approach and never had to take a test twice. If you have questions about topics, feel free to ask on this forum. Good luck. | |
| chodan 2002-10-16, 8:41 pm |
| Is there any part of the test or objective thats hurting you more than anything else?
Like DNS, DHCP or routing protocols? | |
| kcrockett 2002-10-17, 9:52 am |
| Actually, I aced the CCNA exam, but I have been working with routers for years. I think what is getting me is the scenarios that are similar but there is a slight difference. I have the Microsoft Press Readiness Review and practice test book, a Sybex study guide, the Microsoft Press Training Kit and 70-216 for Dummies  . I am re-reading the Sybex book and the Readiness Review and am preparing to try ONE MORE TIME. I always did well on the trancenders but poorly on the tests and the tests don't tell you where your weak areas are. I aced all the other 2000 exams, this is the only one holding me up from my MCSE, and I've been trying for a year now. Now I know why it's called the "WidowMaker". Oh, well, thanks for listening and for the advice. Wish me luck! | |
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Originally posted by kcrockett
I have passed three of the CORE MSCE 2000 exams and 5 elective exams (the extra two were because I wanted the experience). However, I have taken 216 five times and still cannot pass it. I have read two different books, taken a cram course and studied three different cram notes (i.e. examcram, testkiller, and troytec) yet I still cannot seem to pass this one. The scenarios that are similar but not quite the same and subnetting are what I think is killing me. I can't afford to take it again and fail. Any advice?
no doubt: you are getting bad luck on this 216 exams. your knowledge is more than enough to pass the exam. sometimes the exam is not too dificult (only dns, wins, dhcp and a couple of subnets) but sometime is tough with ipsec, rras policies, tough subneting, etc.... but donīt lost your confidence.... you can do it...
contact me, i have some free resources maybe can help you.
this forums is very important too.. i see you are new here... . here you can find lots of help...
regards
alex | |
| DivxGuy 2002-10-23, 2:40 pm |
| You have a lot more hands-on experience than I have, yet somehow I was able to pass it on the first try. What could be making the difference here?
One thing seems to be that you have used braindumps, but not Transcender. In contrast, I eschewed the former, and relied heavily on the latter, going through each practice exam 3 times until I could get near-perfect scores by way of knowledge, not rote memorization. Also, I drilled endlessly for days with the flashcards that accompanied the practice exam.
Something to keep in mind, especially seeing as this one exam is all that stands between you and your MCSE.
RD | |
| kcrockett 2002-10-23, 2:43 pm |
| I would love to use the Trancenders. I have one for 2000 Professional but I can's afford the quizzes for 216 at this point. So for now I am relying on more books. | |
| DivxGuy 2002-10-23, 4:40 pm |
| The cost of a Transcender exam is roughly equivalent to one attempt at an MCP exam. I paid under $700 for a package deal for 7 practice exams with flashcards, which is slightly less than $100 per test.
The costs of exam failures start to add up into real money quickly, not to mention the lost time, and the discouragement.
RD | |
| shunter117 2002-10-23, 6:16 pm |
| I studied the troytech booklet and blew the test away. I found that when I was finished the exam there were only about 5 questions that I did not know the answer to. The rest of the questions were word for word in the troytech cram notes. I failed the test 3 times before totally destroying it. Keep studying and you will pass. | |
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Originally posted by shunter117
I studied the troytech booklet and blew the test away. I found that when I was finished the exam there were only about 5 questions that I did not know the answer to. The rest of the questions were word for word in the troytech cram notes. I failed the test 3 times before totally destroying it. Keep studying and you will pass.
troytec is a dump. | |
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Originally posted by kcrockett
I have passed three of the CORE MSCE 2000 exams and 5 elective exams (the extra two were because I wanted the experience). However, I have taken 216 five times and still cannot pass it. I have read two different books, taken a cram course and studied three different cram notes (i.e. examcram, testkiller, and troytec) yet I still cannot seem to pass this one. The scenarios that are similar but not quite the same and subnetting are what I think is killing me. I can't afford to take it again and fail. Any advice?
I have passed two core exams. I failed 216 this week. I had a lot of questions about Novell networks and that was what kicked me out I think. | |
| Joan0618 2002-10-25, 6:15 am |
| I make index cards will all of the definitive facts - ie
L2PT cannot be used for dialup.
RRAS clients will get the RRAS server settings unless there is a relay agent..... Hard cold facts that will help you know when a scenario is wrong. Transcender is great by stating these facts in their answeres. I have a series of cards right now divided into DNS, DHCP, WINS etc. I punch a hole in them, link them together with a ring, and NEVER leave home without them. You never know when you will be stuck in line, wait for something, no time to waste, repetition helps. Just keep reviewing them.
I have been drawing sub-netting tables from scratch whenever I have a minute to doole. Works for me!
Am taking this one Tuesday and share your fear. | |
| kcrockett 2002-10-25, 6:51 am |
| Best of luck to you. Novell is the easy part for me. I was, and still am a Novell Admin. I have been since 3.1 | |
| cm2gj 2002-10-25, 11:56 am |
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Originally posted by kcrockett
Best of luck to you. Novell is the easy part for me. I was, and still am a Novell Admin. I have been since 3.1
i only receive maybe 3 novell questions. maybe less. i remember now: 2 novell. but one was WORDy with CHOICE all that apply and almost 7 or 8 options. i ace it because was about the frame type. | |
| cm2gj 2002-10-25, 11:58 am |
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Originally posted by Joan0618
I make index cards will all of the definitive facts - ie
L2PT cannot be used for dialup.
you can use your dial up account using PPP to connect to your ISP and use the L2tp as your vpn protocoll.
L2tp is more used on VPN tunnels. As l2tp don`t offer a encryption mechanism, you need additional enc system, for example: iPsec.
PPTP use MPPE for encryption, but L2tp have more advantages.
(and is L2tp instead of l2pt) | |
| cm2gj 2002-10-25, 12:02 pm |
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Originally posted by Joan0618
RRAS clients will get the RRAS server settings unless there is a relay agent.....
i received more than 5 questions regarding this issue on my exams.
RRAS provide routing, Remote access, VPN access, etc to your network users.
RRAS as standard provide the same own IP settings to the rras clients if don`t have a relay aggent configured.
RRAS can assign ips from a address pool or from DHCP too. If you select DHCp you need to specify the ip address of your dhcp server. And you can change the scope options for the RRAS users on the remote access class, so users on your networks and users that access the network remotely can receive diferent settings like a different DNS, a diferent Time Lease, etc.
You can provide a static ip address to clients if you define it on active directory users and computers!!!
I love RRAS. I make several VPNs on my job with their wizard and is rock robust and secure. and never fail!!!!
If you have several RRAS servers you can use IAS on win2k to provide RADIUS centralized authentication and access logs.
thanks | |
| kcrockett 2002-10-25, 12:04 pm |
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you can use your dial up account using PPP to connect to your ISP and use the L2tp as your vpn protocoll.
Right, I don't have a problem with VPN either because I also have a W2K VPN Server. I don't know why I can't seem to pass the exam. I am going to read everything I can and make sure I really understand everything before I try again. I can't afford $199 for the 216 Trancender. I have 1 more voucher for the exam, so it won't cost me to take the exam again. However, I want this to be the last time. This is the only test keeping me from my MCSE. It's a bummer. | |
| cm2gj 2002-10-25, 12:08 pm |
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Originally posted by kcrockett
Right, I don't have a problem with VPN either because I also have a W2K VPN Server. I don't know why I can't seem to pass the exam. I am going to read everything I can and make sure I really understand everything before I try again. I can't afford $199 for the 216 Trancender. I have 1 more voucher for the exam, so it won't cost me to take the exam again. However, I want this to be the last time. This is the only test keeping me from my MCSE. It's a bummer.
don`t worry. this exam is tough. i know a LOT of people that fail the exam. For example: me!!!. I fail the exam one time and need more more more study fo pass this one.... |
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