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| Is the Exam Cram book for 70-216 worth the money? I have heard from conflicting sources...several have reported that the exam cram is the most comprhensive pre test review, others have said that it totally misses the boat!
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| Personally I'd bin it, I have the 240 Accelerated Cram book and well I think I will burn it. It's CRAP, if I was you I'd follow cadman's suggestions that is the MS Resource Kits & Training Guides and TroyTec 216(Definatley worth the money this one)
I'd msg cadman to see what he has to say.
Hope this sheds some light on the matter.
Yeti the Tourch Light 
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| I'm not familiar with Troytec?
I have the MS Official Study Guides for the core 4, and have found that they left quite a bit out. Thus my desire to hop off of the bandwagon....
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| Use the MS W2K Resource Kit and Troytec. Resource Kit has everything and explains everything. Don't attempt to read the thing. It has 6-7 volumes and is heavy reading. Use it as a resource/reference. Troytec has good q&a, but doesn't explain answers. Use resource kit to verify. Understand the WHY.
This was my hardest MS exam yet out of 11 so far. The 217 is much easier.
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| I am looking at taking the 216 exam next. C-man, why did you find it so hard? IT seems pretty straight forward, with a combination of TCP/IP and Net Ess from 4.0 track, plus a couple of Win2K add ons... thanks for your help 
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| freak, I don't know. Maybe burnout before catching a second wind. Couldn't get anything to stick to the wall. Didn't have the MOC or resource kit and was using the MS Press MCSE training kit, which is worthless for this one. Maybe job/wife/kids/studying/teaching/...
Anyway, whatever it was, jumped the hurdle, getting ready for 219 this week, have a 2151 class at night after work.
Good luck,
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| I hear you... I am so lucky that my job lets me go home for a week and study, adn that my wife is wicked supportive as well!
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| I have the Exam Cram. Will read it this week. It looks kind of thin. I will read it anyway and post my comments. I am also reading Troytech and using Transcender.
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| I have the Exam Cram as well. I am taking the 217 exam Friday, then will take the 216. I will also let you know how I found the exam cram.
They were great for 210 and 215 by the way...
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| Darn, Freak you move fast. I seem to be a little behind you as far as the Win2K certs go. When are you planning on finishing? I am planning on taking the 70-216 and then the 70-217 exams this month in January. If I press it, I could squeeze in another Win2K exam, yet to be decided. It's hard to do this and have a life at the same time! Oh well, back to the books.
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| I am not moving as fast as originally thought, because of my shoulder surgery and my wife being pregnant with twins
I hope to be all done before the end of January, however not realistic that is...
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| Why are you guys so caught up in this? Is it some sort of race? Do you really think if you knock off the MSCE in a matter of weeks you are a master of the subject? You are missing so much by approaching the exams that way. You may have the paper that says you are certified, but you will sink if your ever pulled out the classroom to troubleshoot. I am a recruiter and I would tell anyone that came to me with their brand new MCSE they just got in a few weeks and tell them to come back when they have some field experience. This is what is killing the value of an MCSE. | |
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| redlahn,
I can't speak for the others, but I was already an MCSE and I have been working with W2K since it was beta. Freak and I do training as MCTs. I worked and studied most of last year on W2K before tackling the exams. Once started, I wanted to get through. I wasn't like some people who buy a book today and do a test next week. Don't condemn people if you don't know who they are or what they do. Some of us MCSEs may be old and tarnished, not brand new.
I agree that newbies need some field experience. They are in a catch22.
As a recruiter, are you also an MCSE with field experience, or did someone give you a list of questions and answers you could use to interview with?
P.S. Happy New Year everyone, and much success.
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cadman
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| quote:
Originally posted by redlahn:
Why are you guys so caught up in this? Is it some sort of race? Do you really think if you knock off the MSCE in a matter of weeks you are a master of the subject? You are missing so much by approaching the exams that way. You may have the paper that says you are certified, but you will sink if your ever pulled out the classroom to troubleshoot. I am a recruiter and I would tell anyone that came to me with their brand new MCSE they just got in a few weeks and tell them to come back when they have some field experience. This is what is killing the value of an MCSE.
Interesting post... I don't understand what you are so upset about, but for your info, I teach this stuff and I happen to know it pretty well
It is not a race, I agree. I am just trying to get it done so I can teach it faster.
I have ample experience as a Net Engineer, and recruiters call me once weekly. They don't seem to mind how fast I can get my MCSE or other certs
Thank you for posting...
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| Cadman, as a matter of fact, I am an MCSE and I have over 9 yrs of field experience. I have certs in MS, Novell, Red Hat, Sun, HP-UX, Oracle, not too mention various certs with 3com and Cisco. Last year, I decided to make the jump into recruiting. Why? It was time for a change for me, I wanted to help other people in the industry. So dont get so offended when I tell it like it is. Policies dont permit me to disclose my company or location, but I serve a wide metro area and I see a disturbing trend of people racing to get a certification thinking it makes them qualified I have several large clients that tell me they would rather see someone who obtained there certs over time and experience, rather than in a fast paced cram method. Im no guru, but I know NT pretty damn well, and hardly any of it came from a book. Sorry if you got the impression I was condeming you, I dont recall mentioning anyone in particular. My line of work now involves helping people, and I obviously still have a passion for IT. Im just trying to make you understand that there are so many MCSE's out there now, its legitimacy is becoming to be cast in doubt. | |
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| Redlahn, Just to let you know, I too have been in the IT industry for several years, about seven to be exact. That does not include the fact that I grew up with computers and have been using them since 1982, with my original PCs being a "TRS-80" and Commodore Colt 640K. I was self-taught on DOS, and have been using computers for a long time. I am now a Senior Engineer with a major company and have had my NT 4.0 MCSE for about two years now and my Cisco CCNA for about one year.
I agree with you on the "paper cert" dilemma. However, because of my prior experience with NT 4.0 and using Win 2K for about six months now, I am grasping the concepts faster than others with less experience, since some of Win 2K is similar to NT 4.0. I choose to go at whatever pace feels comfortable to me, and don't believe that a recruiter will give a hoot how fast I completed my MCSE 2000 track. Also, when I recommend information to other people on this board, I usually tell them to read a complete book, do the lab exercises, and know why an answer was A, B, C, etc., not just memorize test questions and answers.
Happy New Year.
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| Agreed. Knowing why the answers are right or wrong is important and much better than just memorizing what is right and wrong. More and more of us are testing a candidates knowledge, this helps to distinguish between those that understand the concepts and those who dont. We can no longer assume because somebody walks in with an MCSE that they are qualified. | |
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| I didn't take offense. I just happen to know some of us here in the W2K forums aren't cutting our teeth at this point. My point was that myself, freak, yeti, computerman, and others that may appear to be racing are just motivating each other to get going. Some are wise enough to know they are not ready yet. So in friendly competition I urge others along. I think the paper folks will find some of the W2K exams more challenging than before.
Redlahn. I'm really glad to see that you as a recruiter are experienced in IT. That makes a big difference. I have spoken to 'paper' recruiters before, and you hate to think your initial chances lay in the hands of someone who doesn't know a thing about what he is recruiting for.
Yes, I admit I raced through 5 W2K exams in about 9 weeks, but that was after working/studying on it for over a year. I would not have started unless I felt I was ready.
Again, no offense taken and I hope none given. The rollercoaster is pulling up...
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