70-210 - CCIE or MCSE ?

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CCIE or MCSE ?

babu75

2003-01-04, 8:59 am

hey guys!!

just wondering with 7 exams, you will be ready for mcse or ccie(ccna,ccda,ccnp(4),ccdp(1)
).the idea alone is driving me more towards cisco at the expense of mcse.
being a newbie in networking,i don't wanna lock myself out in terms of too much knowledge(ccie-level)with no much experience.

having just finished ccna,ccda, would it be more wise to get at least mcp or mcsa or to go ahead with ccnp (in terms of job opportunities or carrier development).

i'm just starting the m$(210&215)and would appreciate any insights into these decisions.
thanks in advace

HighIQ

2003-01-05, 5:41 pm

I have been studying for quite sometime now for the MCSE exams. I have some notes, about 100 pages of my notes from certain books that I have used for the exam. If anyone is interested in my notes, email me at osean@japan.com. By the way, I am MCSE certified. I am now working on my CCNP.

Patrickjb

2003-01-10, 8:02 pm

quote:
Originally posted by babu75
hey guys!!

just wondering with 7 exams, you will be ready for mcse or ccie(ccna,ccda,ccnp(4),ccdp(1)
).the idea alone is driving me more towards cisco at the expense of mcse.
being a newbie in networking,i don't wanna lock myself out in terms of too much knowledge(ccie-level)with no much experience.

having just finished ccna,ccda, would it be more wise to get at least mcp or mcsa or to go ahead with ccnp (in terms of job opportunities or carrier development).

i'm just starting the m$(210&215)and would appreciate any insights into these decisions.
thanks in advace

I would think the comparison is more like CCNP or MCSE. I believe, the CCIE will probably take you at least five years to complete. Where both the CCNP and MCSE can both be done in less than two years. I know you can do them a lot quicker if you’re using Troytec, testking, braindumps etc. I'm talking about studying the proper way, by learning the material.
I would continue on with CCNP since you have completed CCNA, then go on and complete MCSE, then CCIE. I believe that the MCSE and CCNP cert’s are both necessary.

usnstinger

2003-01-11, 8:07 pm

5 years to complete if you read a page a day

Patrickjb

2003-01-12, 4:20 am

quote:
Originally posted by usnstinger
5 years to complete if you read a page a day

I'm just guessing at five years. How long to you think it would take to get CCIE from start to finish?

mikop

2003-01-12, 6:20 am

comparing mcse to ccie is ludicrous.

edit:

to expand, there is absolutely no comparison between the 2... there has got to be a trillion mcse now... compare to this

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/62...ie_present.html

and that's not because there are less ppl interested in becoming ccie... network engineer etc... it is not because it is less accessible... but simply of all the certification that has any credibility, that separate man and boy, this is it.

There are couple ccie program, from routing/switching, security etc. in the world, there is only 1, ONE, quad ccie, last I check, there were like 11 triple ccie, I think 6 or 7 of them work for cisco. CCIE is more like a career goal, then something like... ooooo, let me pick up a few book, study read (legit) and pass. The qualifying test (written) is very tough, the lab is a monster. (ccie lab number is 1024, kilohertz... why? cuz the lab will kill you and it hurts.)

this is the recommended reading list for ccie routing/switching

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/62...routing.html#34

it does not mean you read them all, but you have to be intimately familiar with many of the book and familiar with all technologies covered.

bluepring: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/62...sblueprint.html

no joke. from start to finish, from dunno much about it to getting it. 5 years is prolly accurate.

from passing the qualifying test, you have 18 months to pass the lab. many ppl take 2-3 tries to pass the lab. my own personal plan would be to stretch that time frame, so you are talkin for most ccie candidates it will be atleast 1 year between passing qualifying to taking your 1st shot at the lab... 5 years... sure.

also, you don't need ccnp etc to qualify for ie, make sense, but the curriculum still does not prepare you for ccie... there are just too many technologies covered in ccie that's not even mentioned in np track. however, if you don't even know np stuff, there is no way in hell you can pass ccie qualifying.

so... don't underestimate ccie... it is not just another certification... it is not just another mcse or whatever track... 2-3 months / test. There is a reason why ccie are well respected, and your average mcse are relegated to being helpdesk 2.

babu75

2003-01-12, 8:44 am

well, the point was to compare them in terms of ONLY the # of exams, 7 gets you mcse and 8 exams(including written) gets you ready for the ccie-lab (keeping all other factors constant) and assuming that you pass these exams on the first try.

now, in terms of the knowledge and the level of difficulty, ccie(which is also called Doctorate Of Networking in the IT-world) is more dificult and to this date i haven't seen a ccie who passed the lab on first try. yes, it can be done as long as you prepare yourself properly.

by the way, i understand that the requirement for the the ccie-lab is at least 3years experience in networking which shouldn't be a problem by the time you do the ccie-written.

usnstinger

2003-01-12, 9:56 am

here is an excerpt from a site that I have provided the link below,enjoy:

"We have given a time table of about 3 1/2 to 4 years to go from the CCNA/CCDA all the way to the CCIE. Please understand that this is not going to apply to everyone. Some of you may be able to understand the material more easily than others or have more hands-on experience than others and be able to get your CCIE certification much sooner."

http://www.ccxxproductions.com/generic.html?pid=23

mikop

2003-01-12, 12:46 pm

how is that so much different from his time estimation of 5 years for you to suggest that ppl who takes 5 years are so slow in learning/achieving, that they are reading 1 page per day instead of progressing much like every other average human?

babu75

2003-01-12, 12:48 pm

great article!!!

thanks.

usnstinger

2003-01-12, 1:21 pm

what is YOUR point mikopski?
what is a year? a year is a long time, duh

usnstinger

2003-01-12, 1:22 pm

your welcome babu75

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