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| shep682 2001-08-01, 1:32 am |
| Hello everyone. Ive been reading a lot of these posts and Im going with your advice. It seems that the following books and tests are the faves of many posters here.
-Allan Carters Win2000
-Microsoft Pres Win2000
-Exam Cram
-EasyCert
-Transenders
-Microsoft site online documentation
I would like to attempt the MCSE without going to any tech school.
Do you think it is neccessary to actually have Windows 2000 professional and Windows 2000 server on hand to study for this test? I never used either before. Is going at the MCSE without any hands on experience a bad move? Or do you guys think I can get away with it by just using the books and practice exams? | |
| Stingray5 2001-08-01, 10:14 am |
| I think it's a very bad idea to go into it w/o the hands on. Just the fact that you're looking to "get away with it" isn't very encouraging. The only time and money you'll be wasting is your own.
Practice exams generally won't teach you much, except how to memorize answers. They should be used a week or 2 before the test to brush up and get comfortable with the testing format.
Books are good (and necessary) but won't show you the real world applications of what you are learning. The only way to truly understand the concepts you are being taught is to execute them in the actual operating system. There is no sustitute for hands on experience.
Sure, you could get all the practice exams and braind*mps you want and pass the exams, but this won't help you keep a job in the real world.
Get windows 2000, set up a network at home and execute everything you learn. Then you will have success. | |
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| I'm sure of that after these books and questions you can be MCP. But if you want to be MCSE you'll have to look at everything again on every exam. Because you can memorize these things approximately 1 week.
If you have time for hands-on practices you can learn what you read. Also you have to try again and again but this is more permanent. | |
| pattiiis 2001-08-03, 2:44 pm |
| someone who comes right out and says they want to pass the exams with no hands on experience is insulting and annoying to those of us who have both experience and certifications. it is people like you that caused the whole phrase "paper MCSE" to be created. i occasionally have had the misfortune to work with a paper MCSE and let me tell you we can weed one of those out of this office in about 2 weeks. so do yourself a favor: get the product. learn the product. know what you are doing. and don't try to be something that you are not. | |
| ten232323 2001-08-03, 3:01 pm |
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someone who comes right out and says they want to pass the exams with no hands on experience is insulting and annoying to those of us who have both experience and certifications.
Ummmm where I come from, when newbies walk into an interview with certifications, employers usually know that they dont know anything because youre fresh out of college or fresh out of some other profession. Thats what intern and entry level jobs are for. The company teaches you the ropes (on the job experience is the best and only way to really learn 'real world situations' by the way) for about 6 months to a year, then they usually get you certified themselves if they like you. Then again, it can only be a bonus for you to walk into the door already certified. It shows you are serious, and it shows you are willing to work harder than an average kid comming out of college looking for an entry level spot. So I dont see anything insulting about that comment at all. | |
| OmnipotentOne 2001-08-03, 3:40 pm |
| I'm thinking about setting up a small lan, I've been running windows 2000 pro for the last couple months and I know it pretty well, I hope to setup a win2k server and possibly another box with dual boot to try stuff out with 2 servers or 2 clients. I don't think I'll be going to any 'tech school' as someone put it, but would be reading a couple books and trying a few things out, is this reasonable enough to pass the certification and have enough experience to not get fired? also I'm not finished high school yet, and I don't want to look like a 'paper MCSE' which I think people will get the impression if I show up to an interview with certifications, no experience from an employer and being so young. | |
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Originally posted by shep682
Do you think it is neccessary to actually have Windows 2000 professional and Windows 2000 server on hand to study for this test? I never used either before. Is going at the MCSE without any hands on experience a bad move? Or do you guys think I can get away with it by just using the books and practice exams?
DO yourself a favor before you waste your time and money, and get some hands on as you study. No hands-on = no reason to take the test, and no real skill.
Do you think it would help for a mechanuc to have actually seen a car before? | |
| kjones 2001-08-05, 10:29 am |
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Originally posted by freak
DO yourself a favor before you waste your time and money, and get some hands on as you study. No hands-on = no reason to take the test, and no real skill.
I agree, you need the hands on.  | |
| TW2001 2001-08-05, 12:59 pm |
| Yeah Shep you will also be able to walk right into a job paying you $60,000 a year.
Is this thread for real? | |
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Originally posted by TW2001
Yeah Shep you will also be able to walk right into a job paying you $60,000 a year.
Is this thread for real?
LOL Now now, let's all be nice | |
| techdaemon 2001-08-06, 9:22 am |
| Understanding a technology, will help you when you do start with the hands on. You can't gets hands on as a mechanic before you know what each component is and does. Read a book, then you can start messing around with the car and gradually get the "hands on experience". You can't just get hands on experience without alot of trouble, so if you wanna go for your MCSE without any hands on experience, then do it, because when you do start with the hands on part, then you'll know more of what you're doing and not be in the dark. Now don't expect to get a great job with no experience, but I know I got my A+ a while back before I knew how to fix a computer at all. It's the same principle. If you work hard towards the test, you will be no fool and the hands on will only come with time. By setting a goal such as taking the test, you will learn alot and have more of a drive towards learning. Don't get discouraged and not wanna take the exam, because you don't have any hands on experience. | |
| The Light 2002-03-13, 6:29 pm |
| The general rule is:
1. read, read, read...
2. install your W2K Pro (or home lab) and practice, practice, practice...
3. finlly (just before the exam), use some test prep software and practice again...
About the exam simulation providers...I recommend EasyCert. It is cheaper than Transcender, the engine is fine, it contains those drag@drop questions, explanations, network diagrams, etc. You'll feel yourself very comfortable when you seat for the real exam. You can pass the exam only by using Easycert, but you'll be an "paper MCSE".
You should understand the technology and how the things work.
Good Luck to all!!!! | |
| wbafrank 2002-03-13, 6:52 pm |
|  has probably done a runner!! All he asked was "would it be a good or bad idea to do the test without hands-on experience?" I think a simple YES or NO, with a short explanation why would have been suffice not the third degree!! | |
| Shrink 2002-03-13, 8:05 pm |
| I agree Frank....sometimes we forget why we are all here! | |
| TW2001 2002-03-13, 8:50 pm |
| Its assumed that some level of intelligence is present in an individual attempting to become an IT professional.
And then you have this thread.... | |
| Johnny5Alive 2002-03-14, 5:11 am |
|  Paper MCSE or not, give it a name. No-one should be insulted. There is nothing wrong with having a real certification even if you have limited real experience. Using an analogy like a mechanic is fine, but how about a laywer? They can't practise law without a certificate of sorts. A 'Paper MCSE' shows commitment towards a subject. On the flip side, someone who has 5 years experience with no qualifications can potentially be just as bad, with disregard to housekeeping etc which leads to untidy networks and frequent downtimes.... who's better??? | |
| mrfixit 2002-03-14, 7:05 am |
| the mice will play!
Boy! I take a night off to spend with the family and look what happens!! Frank has a good point. A simple YES or NO with a SHORT explanation would have sufficed in this instance.
Does anyone here, on this post, remember back when they first started in this field? I know that when I got my break, I had no certifications! But my employer gave me the chance and after 6 months, they paid to get me certified. They sent me to training, (I already had hands-on by then), and paid for my cert in NT 4.0.
Give this person a break, we have all been there at one time in our lives!
'nuff said
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