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| LarryB24 2002-01-15, 8:26 pm |
| Hello ,
I am brand new to this whole computer thing. I am really nervous because I just started a MCSE training course that cost me about $18,000. We are in the fourth day and are already 168 pages into the pro book and I feel more confused as time goes on. Is this normal and will it get any easier? | |
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| Dude, I am an MCT, and what I have to tell you you are not going to like.
What you are saying is alarming me in a lot of ways.
1. you say you are a computer newbie? If so, you have nothing to do in an MCSE track. You should have started at A+, Net+, then MCSE. This is not an entry level track. This is an Engineering track.
2. $18K? What school do you go to, if I may ask? This is a lot of money for a regular MCSE track. What classes are you getting for your money?
3. I am afraid that you were sold a track by unscrupulous people, which really bugs the hell out of me. Let me tell you: the track doesn't get any easier from now on. Much more the opposite. You should ask for a full refund and say that you were misguide and lied to, or see if you can apply your credit to a track more to your level, which is what they should have done.
If I am wrong, and I hope I am, then good. If not, let me know if I can help. I hate this kind of situations. | |
| PotatoHead 2002-01-15, 9:50 pm |
| Im also in a microsoft training class, I started off with an A+ and N+ and it helped me more than you know, then went on to Novell and studied that, now I'm in M$ and so far everything is making sense, only because the A+ and Net+ helped me. I'm paying around 5 grand, 18 seems a little steap just for Microsoft training. | |
| freak 2002-01-15, 10:37 pm |
| Spud, your story is more what is supposed to happen and I am happy for you that all id going well.
Not all schools push to sell. Not all Trainers are in it solely for the money. Let's face it, we are not non-profit. But we have a responsibility to our students, that I for one take extremely seriously. It appears that the school you attend feels the same way. Good for you  | |
| adam6655nyc 2002-01-16, 8:46 am |
| i think i must agree with freak
you should ask for a refund and try something easier or if you insist on that track then buy books and study at home till you feel ok and take step by step
but 18k is way too much
i started with no experience too ,set a small network in ,my home and bought the books and studying (three pc with everything new )it did not cost me that much and i am taking the exam very soon
so try to get your money back if you can
and study on your own | |
| LarryB24 2002-01-16, 9:46 am |
| Freak,
Thanks for the reply. I am really upset now. I thought this was a great opportunity to finally be able to get a real job that I enjoy. I am not totally new to computers I have done some web design on my own and played around with different things on my home pc. I guess I was just taken over once again and got my hopes up to just be shot down. I am going through the track through computertraining.com It is a 7 month course classes every monday and wednesday and also every other Saturday. They assured me that I could do this thats why I signed up.I guess that pre entrance test is just a bunch of BS then that they said I scored well on huh ? Anyway thanks for the heads up. There is no way I can get a refund now so I guess I am S.O.L. I took out a student loan for this and it is going to cost me $39,000 in the long run untill I pay it all off. As far as what I get for the money they said I would be getting 13 different certifications in all. What should I do you think? | |
| adam6655nyc 2002-01-16, 10:48 am |
| if you paid the money already and there is no policy for refund in your agreement with them , then you should really have to study hard and pass the exams , it is not hard and it is attainable , just you will have to study a lot and read a lot too book and online till you feel your head will explode ,but it is the only way out of this
good luck , do not give up on the track
you can get it if you really want | |
| LarryB24 2002-01-16, 12:37 pm |
| Adam,
Thanks I will give it my best shot anyway I am studying about 8 hrs a day as it is. I am getting about 3 hrs sleep a night but who knows . I will sure give it my best try. I will be sure to keep you posted. I just took a practice exam online and I scored 800 something out of 1000 maybe I can still manage to do this. | |
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| Hi Larry,
Keep your head up. You can do this. It may be more difficult for you, but there are plenty of forum members here like myself, Freak, Potatohead, wbafrank, etc... that will help/guide you in anyway we can.
I do agree with Freak. You are "running before you learn to walk", but you can obtain the MCSE, it may just be a little more difficult for you and the material will get more complex.
Do not get discouraged, the pieces will eventually fall into place.
Finally, don't get burned out on constant studying. Take some breaks and relax from time to time. It will help out in the long run.
Best of luck to you and let us know if we can help. | |
| scottdg 2002-01-16, 3:57 pm |
| I think we all agree the $18000 figure is outrageous. Even the most expensive training should not cost more than $8-9000 (and that was a few years ago when I took it for NT4).
I can also tell you I was naive and did the same thing you did. I had no practical experience and got in over my head quickly. From the sounds of it I had more knowledge than you do from previous positions.
I was extremely lucky since I never finished the whole course (1 class short) and missed passing the server exam by 1-2 questions both times. I was lucky because I was able to find someone to give me a chance as an entry level administrator.
I have recently gone back to get my A+ and Network+ to brush up on the basics that I may have missed along the way. I would strongly suggest you do the same. It has also provided me with the much needed confidence in taking exams.
I have also found that someone at your level may benefit from instructor led training CDs rather than actual training classes. I do not feel that many of the classes provide a good learning environment. Good luck. | |
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| Well, the MCSE is certainly doable, but it is going to require a lot of studying, that is for sure. Do take breaks, and do sleep more than 3 hours a night or else it will not stick.
You know where to find me if I can help you out. I spend more time on my own forum than here, but I will do what I can to help you out. Just say the word
As for the 13 certs you mention, do you mean 13 exams, 13 classes, or 13 actual certs? Heck, I am not sure I can name 13 certs
Don't be discouraged. Let's make the most of the situation you find yourself in. Let's get the most out of that $18K | |
| wembley 2002-01-16, 9:21 pm |
| Larry,
18K is a lot of cash as we all know. It is enough so I would see an attorney about getting it back. No miracles, but it would be worth the consultation fee. Pick one who has some experience in consumer fraud/protection. Good Luck. You can do anything you set out to if you can work hard and keep your head straight. | |
| Luchnia 2002-01-17, 6:26 am |
| LarryB,
Have you tried contacting your local Better Business Bureau? Call them and explain your situation in detail to them. Many don't realize companies have to follow proper business practices and it would seem that the training comany is gouging many.
Also, contact your state senator and your local news station and explain. Just because you were ignorant to their practices does not negate justice with their pricing.
Just some additional info that might be helpful.
Luchnia | |
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Originally posted by Luchnia
LarryB,
Have you tried contacting your local Better Business Bureau? Call them and explain your situation in detail to them. Many don't realize companies have to follow proper business practices and it would seem that the training comany is gouging many.
Also, contact your state senator and your local news station and explain. Just because you were ignorant to their practices does not negate justice with their pricing.
Just some additional info that might be helpful.
Luchnia
Great advice. The BBB should definitely be made aware of this. | |
| PotatoHead 2002-01-17, 1:11 pm |
| I agree with the above, 18k is alot of money, I would definately be doing something about it | |
| LarryB24 2002-01-17, 5:13 pm |
| Hi again guys,
I asked about the price its actually only 15k still kinda steep but they said that this class is different than what you are thinking about. It is a 7 month course that covers MCSE as well as CCNA. The price they said is for all supplies as well as lab time. The price of the testing is not included but I am sure you knew that. The instructor is very good and always willing to help. I didn't want to cause any trouble or anything. I really want to give this my best shot and see if I can make it.Thanks again for everyones help and encouragement. | |
| chodan 2002-01-21, 11:46 am |
| I went right into my MCSE but that was NT4 at the time.
Windows 2000 is a different beast.
IF you can`t get the refund then do what you origionally planned and give it your best shot.
You can`t get discouraged either.
This course may be the thing that launches you into the IT world with a bang.
I would recomend taking a test a month.
Don`t wait till your through with the course because it won`t be as fresh for you | |
| SuperCertMan 2002-01-21, 4:13 pm |
| Maybe you can put off the classes for a little while, maybe you can still take em a year from now, or at anytime you feel more comfortable with the subject, for example after you take your a+ with some good hands on experience and your network+, those 2 at least should help you out, and then take the mcse track...
One question to everyone else here who is an mcse and didn't take the microsoft official curriculum...
is the Microsoft Training Kit any good??? ist it me or was the 70-210 book inefficient? of the test questions, the book covered nearly nothing!!! outrageous questions and a very easy read... | |
| jims34 2002-01-21, 7:02 pm |
| Hi everyone I am new to this forum I am 8 months into a series of courses that cost me 18,000 dollars Canadian. This is the cost up here but that also includes A+ net+ cisco(ccna) novell (cna)unix aswell as the full Microsoft Track for the mcse. I found that the cost not to bad considering what you can get out of it. i do agree that they needed to start you on the basics first. It is possible very possible to make it through with determination. The biggest thing is to never give up. Good luck if getting you mcse is what you want you will get it.
Jims34
A+, net+, ccna, cna, cusa | |
| chodan 2002-01-21, 8:46 pm |
| SuperCertMan
I`ve never even seen the MOC.
I used exam Cram Sybex and various practice tests for the MCSE 2000.
Also I had a copy of pro and server to use.
I learned much of it as I did my job rolling out the 2000 upgrade on our LAN. | |
| LarryB24 2002-01-22, 8:37 am |
| Hi all,
I am glad to say that I checked into everything about computertraining.com's prices and also their reputation. Both I got a very good response. I was told that the price is reasonable because we also get CCNA and a few other certs besides the MCSE. I am looking to try and find a job in the field now so I can get some hands on I think that would really help allot. Any suggestions on the type of job I should look for and how to go about getting the job? |
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