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partition ? Yes partition !
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| Hi
Lately I wanna mess around with my os.Im running win2000 on a 7200 60GBHD and running win98 on a 5200 6GB HD.
1)Now I want to do a dual boot on my C (60GB) so what should I do since I already have win2000 on it? Can I just put the 98 disc and select C to install ?
2)If Im right, win98 Cannot run on NTFS right ? When I first install win2000 it only ask me should it partition the C with NTFS and I didnt see it ask me How many SIZE I want to partition NTFS. So is it my C drive now is fully NTFS and I cannot install 98 on it unless I detele the partition first?
3)Since Im a gamer and I NEED 98 to play PC game so what I want to do is cut my C(60GBHD) into half, win2000 will be my parimary use and the other half 98 will be play game use. And then my F(6GBHD) just for backup stuff. What is the easier way I should do now since I already have 2000 on my C, and I really Dont know is it all my C right now is already paritition NTFS, how can I check ? And if so, is it I need to delete everythings and paritition half NTFS & half Fat32 to install98 ?
Thank you so much ppl, Im rely on you guys.
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| Taqwus 2001-08-05, 7:26 pm |
| Put Win 2k on 6 gig HD and format it with NTFS that way the whole 60 gig drive can be used for Win 98.
In my opinion I would get rid of Win 98 all together | |
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Originally posted by Taqwus
Put Win 2k on 6 gig HD and format it with NTFS that way the whole 60 gig drive can be used for Win 98.
In my opinion I would get rid of Win 98 all together
Thank you so much for your advice, humm...
but the point is Since my 60GBHD is 7200RPM and I want to use that on win2k cuz its my parmiary use and this drive is faster u know.
And since 60GBHD is really too big for me so I want to cut it into half and use it for my win98 cuz I NEED win98 to play pc games and this 60GBHD is 7200RPM it load data double speed. ( I cant get away with 98 cuz 90% of the PC games I have and in these days now Only support 98 and Not 2000yet)
what I want to know is it the only way I can have both OS in a single drive is delete my win2000K first since the whole drive I guess is full of NTFS and I dont think I can just
install 98 ON the top of my C now right ?
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| TechWriter 2001-08-08, 10:51 am |
| You will have to reinstall Win2000 and start from scratch. Begin with Win2000 and create your desired number of partitions. Then place Win98 on a newly created partition. Remember 98 will support FAT32 and 2000 supports FAT32 as well as NTFS. You are correct...Win98 does not support NTFS.
Once you have Win2000 up and running, you can go to disk management (Right click on My computer, click manage). It is here that you will be able to modify the size of your partitions or verify whether a partition is NTFS or FAT.
While Microsoft discourages dual booting it can be done safely as long as you place the two operating systems on different partitions.
I probably did not answer all of your questions, however I hope my comment helps. | |
| Gareth Leung 2001-08-08, 11:02 am |
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Originally posted by ITman
what I want to know is it the only way I can have both OS in a single drive is delete my win2000K first since the whole drive I guess is full of NTFS and I dont think I can just install 98 ON the top of my C now right ?
Yep. You have to delete the NTFS partition first, reinstall win98 then win2k. | |
| The Ghost 2001-08-08, 12:02 pm |
| FAT32 is your friend my man! | |
| Gareth Leung 2001-08-08, 12:06 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by The Ghost
FAT32 is your friend my man!
You need NTFS for security and permission practise in Win2K | |
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| thank you so much for all of you guys telling me about the partition.
Okay now
1) is it if I want dual boot the whole entire HD MUST use FAT or FAT32 ???
2) Can I parition half NTFS (for 2000)and half FAT32 (for 98) ???? Cuz I often use the
security fuction on 2000 and I really dont wanna lose it.
3)If I need to install these 2 OS on a single drive, which OS should I install first? 98 first of 2000 first ???
Thank you so much for your help ppl!
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| Gareth Leung 2001-08-09, 6:51 am |
| 1) is it if I want dual boot the whole entire HD MUST use FAT or FAT32 ???
No, you don't have to.
2) Can I parition half NTFS (for 2000)and half FAT32 (for 98) ???? Cuz I often use the
security fuction on 2000 and I really dont wanna lose it.
I would suggest to have three parition. One FAT32 for Win98, one FAT32 for sharing data between win98 & Win2k and one NTFS for Win2k
3)If I need to install these 2 OS on a single drive, which OS should I install first? 98 first of 2000 first ???
Install Win98 first on the primary partition than Win2k
Hope this help.  | |
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| Get PartitionMagic 5.0
and do with your partitions what want. | |
| ncandido 2001-08-09, 4:39 pm |
| I think you MUST install W98 first, because it wipes out the MBR of the primary partition of the active disk, leaving Win2k 'unbootable'. | |
| fizz85 2001-08-09, 8:52 pm |
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Originally posted by and
Get PartitionMagic 5.0
and do with your partitions what want.
Agreed | |
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| I see ...... I will go try it this coming weekend. Thank you for all of you guys helping !  | |
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| Here is what i would do:
1. I am starting from scratch, this means I wipe my 60GB HDD clean (format).
2. Then partition my HDD in three:
C => FAT32
D => NTFS
E => FAT32
Why?
Because I am gona use C for win98 , (install this first)
- On D I install My Win2k prof. , i use NTFS because I want to use security features in the Win 2k OS.
- E is FAT32 because I am to use this to share files betwwen the two OSes.
NOTE:
Install win98 first, becuase if you put Win2k first it will modify the MBR and you won't be able to dual boot.
- The very first partion has to be FAT32 because win2k and Win98 share some boot files.
So there you are...
Bbosa. | |
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| Very helpful
Thank you very much bbosa !
Thats exactly what I want now! I will go follow your way and do it this coming weekend. heeeeee | |
| ITman 2001-08-10, 10:58 am |
| Okay, somethings new to me this morning when Im studying MCSE Training Kit 210 on disk managing. Im trying to figure out how the simple, spanned and striped volume work. I understand that to do above I need to convert my basic to dynamic disk first and must be NTFS.
1)Is it Simple Volume can ONLY extend (or call it as change size) in the SAME single HD and if extend with another HD it will become spanned ???? And how many simple volume it can be ??
2)I understand spanned data is written to one disk full until it go to the next one. But how come the MCSE Training Kit book (page 139) said it can go up to 32 disks???? The drive Letter can only go up to Z and since we already have Drive A,B and C so the MAX HD we can install isnt only 23drives so how come it said up to 32 disks ?? After the 26th what drive letters will we assign ?
3)If Im right, Spanned volume is for adding free space from 1 drive and another drive to create a big volume right ?When extending a Spanned volume From Drive C --> E -- > --F , is it the E and F need to be a clean drive with no data or it can contain some games,mp3 ...etc it doesnt matter?
4)Since Striped volume combines areas of free space from drive to drive, so whats the different between spanned and striped then ??
5)IF drive C have 20G free space, E have 10G
and F have 5G and I striped volume together,
Inside my Mount Folder I will have 35G total right but I can only do it in one logical volume and cannot create a lot of simple volume ?
6)No matter what kind of volume it create, it gotta have a mout folder right ? | |
| labelladonna 2001-08-13, 8:46 pm |
| no no, don't use partition magic, 5 or 5+, trust me.
Windows 2000 itself provides partitioning functions already. There is an order of dual boot installation, the oldest the first: 95, 98, NT and 2000. The active partition has to be in 2000 althought you may choose whcihever OS to boot after the installation. Partition magic has it's own logic quite different from w2k; you will be very frustrated here and there negotiating with the magic.
What's more, you have to use partition magic to configurate your disk when you adopt it; so NTFS, extented drive, logical drives - all will have to be handled by partition magic. you will miss all your hand's on experience with w2k in thses areas. And when you come to span, strip and raid 5, you'll have the real fun - like it or not - that partic magic may provide.
Stay away from it with windows. Use it between Windows and Linus may be. | |
| ITman 2001-08-13, 11:17 pm |
| can anybody answer my questions about simple,spanned and stripped volume above >? | |
| labelladonna 2001-08-14, 6:29 am |
| Before W2K we use basic disks and partitions to talk about a hard disc. One hard disc can have at most 4 partitions, which means 4 drives. When you need more drives you can extend one partition into many logical drives. The limit is 24 if your boot drive is C.
With W2K we have a choice to use Dynamic disk and Volumes, instead of Basic and Partitions. One hard dics can have unllimited number of volumes as long as its size permits. You don't need to partition the disc nor make logical drive, and you are not limited by Z drive.
Now let me try to answer:
1) when you finish the first physical disk, you throw in a second one and you can extend the last volume of your first disk into it. If you have only one volume on your first disk, the one volume is your last volume and it is usually what we call a "C DRIVE". In this case you can have your C drive spills over from the 1st into the 2nd physical disk and still a C drive. Yes this is "span".
2 & 3) Span volume, like any other volume, can take one whole disk, or one part of a disk. Say, both the first and second disk are 10 GB disks. C extends from the first disk into the second but ends it span at 5 GB of the second disk. So C drive spans over 2 physical disks and take up 15 GB of space. You decide this size is enough for C. You make the other 5 GB a new volume, which is a "D drive", for data storage. Since other department using windows 98 would like to share your data, you convert this new volume into FAT32 while your C remains NTFS. One month later, Your C is full, you throw in your third 10 GB physical disk. Now, which way is easier? Move D and convert that 5 GB volume back to NTFS? Or simply extend the span of Drive C from the 2nd disk to the third disk? Let say the decision is to extend the span to take up 3 GB of the third disk and make it NTFS. The result is: (the volume of)your drive C is now spanning from the first disk onto the 2nd disk and onto the third disk taking a total of 18 GB.
4) Span combines volume of different physical disks. Stripe(noun) stripes(verb) its volume over different disks. Span is for management. Strip is for performance. Unlike span, strip must have simailar size on different disks. Let say you have 3 strips of 500 MB each over 3 physical disks of whatever size (certainly larger than 500 MB), when you are working, without your knowing that, the computer write one block of your work to strip#1, another block to #2, still another block to strip#3. The time when your read your work, because they were present to you from 3 different physical disks, the reading time becomes much faster than reading all your work from a single disk.
5) I can only take 5 GB each disk and come to a total of a 15 GB for a strip volume
as reason explain before. Yes this 15 GB is one logical volume and let me call it "drive H". If you want to creat other stripe volume by all mean do so, but Drive H is born and it has a name alreay.
6) I am not sure about this one. Can someone give ITman and I an answer?
It's now 5am in Vancouver, I have to go to bed. Dear ITman, I have another message for you somewhere about the passing score of 210. Please go to passing rate 540 posted yesterday. Good Night! | |
| ncandido 2001-08-14, 7:23 am |
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Originally posted by labelladonna
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Now let me try to answer:
1) when you finish the first physical disk, you throw in a second one and you can extend the last volume of your first disk into it. If you have only one volume on your first disk, the one volume is your last volume and it is usually what we call a "C DRIVE". In this case you can have your C drive spills over from the 1st into the 2nd physical disk and still a C drive. Yes this is "span".
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I think that, usually you can't extend drive C:, because you can only extend (Right click on a volume and select Extend Volume ) volumes that were created on dinamic disks, and if drive c: is your system volume it was created when you installed win2k, and the disk was a basic type.
The only thing you can do with the system partition is Add Mirror.
Does anybody disagree? | |
| labelladonna 2001-08-14, 3:19 pm |
| you can convert a basic disk to a dynamic disk. I suggest that you should gain a handson experience by going to disk management, select C drive, and then click 'action' on the menu bar, you will then see how to convert it.
And by default, when you add a disk to an existing computer using w2k, it is consider a new disk and is always dynamic - I haven't yet try adding a new disk (I'll soon do it), but it is so said by MSpress w2k server resourece book. | |
| ncandido 2001-08-14, 4:26 pm |
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Originally posted by labelladonna
you can convert a basic disk to a dynamic disk. I suggest that you should gain a handson experience by going to disk management...
I'm sorry, i explained wrong.
You can only extend volumes that were originally created on dinamic disks. If drive c: is your system partition it was originally a basic disk, and now is upgraded to dynamic. You can't extend an upgraded volume, only one that was created when the disk was already dynamic.
I tried, in Disk Manager, right click c: (disk 0 already converted to dinamic) and chose extend volume. You should see a message box explaining that you can't do it, and why.
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| Hello labelladonna!
First of all, THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH for your explaination. It was very clear and I really really appreciate your help and your time. Now .... about ....
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Originally posted by labelladonna
One month later, Your C is full, you throw in your third 10 GB physical disk. Now, which way is easier? Move D and convert that 5 GB volume back to NTFS?
Since our C are now 10G from itself and 5G from the 2nd disk, and if I really do move that 5GB FAT32 from D and convert to NTFS.
What will be happen ?
C become 20GB and D will lost since that 5GB FAT32 convert to NTFS so it can become part of the C ?
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C remain 15GB and D will become NTFS since we already made this D volume so no matter we change from FAT to NTFS or the other way around, the D is always the D unless we delete it ???
Question 2:
when we want to do a stripped volume, are they also can add from 2-32 disks?
Question 3:
Once we finished creating the stripped volume
can we add 1 more disk in to make the proformance even faster ?
Thank YOU so much labelladonna
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