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| Cardiff 2001-07-06, 2:39 pm |
| Hi,
You seem to be one of the resident experts here, so I wanted to get your opinion.
Given a choice, is the MOC better or essentially the same as the MS Press self study books. Also do you know if the MOC were victims of the same errors that have been noted on the MS Press Series?
I assume that you still feel that the MS Press/ Exam Cram combo make a good duo to study from or have you found better choices?
Thanks for the help. | |
| Yeti-GBR1 2001-07-06, 3:03 pm |
| In the abscence of my esteemed bud Freak, Yes I have to agree that the MOC is more favourable than books alone...However, if cost is an issue than I would recommend the MS Training kits and one other Study Guide (Sybex are ok as are the Exam Cram series).
I have used hands-on and self study, since being a contractor time is rather limited and I've been doing this for over 10 years now...so self study is my option. In the begining though I did the MOC's for NT4 (Workstation, Server & Enterprise) but did not take the exam till last year, so I had a massed over 7 years of hands-on whick kinda gave me the edge.
Other than that have a look at either Skill Drills or Troytec... they seem to be good last minute preps for most of the exams. Personally I'd dich the questions and scour the web for free or cheap ones...
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| My advice, use every source available to you...
MS Press, MOC, Sybex, New Riders (have heard good reports about it), Resource Kits, Cramsession (for the little bits that people tend to forget) and last, but definately not least....this board for all the help that you can get, especially from the likes of Yeti and Freak (my heroes!!!!!).
Seriously mate, I have only been in the game (properly) for a year, after spending ten years in the Army, so this is still (relatively) virgin ground for me.....I couldn't have got where I was without the expert guidance that they have given me since last year | |
| Cardiff 2001-07-06, 4:22 pm |
| Well first of all thanks to you two for your quick responses.
First, let me clear up what I mean by MOC. I wasn't necessarily referring to the classes themselves of which I have taken some, before Win2K. What I meant was the printed notebook/text that is supplied with the course. I would assume they are pretty simillar, but perhaps not the same?
Wow, I am quite impressed AndyC. Considering the amount of time you have been involved with IT, that you were able to conquer the 240 beast. I remember seeing that post somewhere. Can you please refresh my memory, what was your study approach: ie: texts, courses, plan of attack etc. etc.. I realize that it is probably old news for most, but I would find it helpful in motivating myself as well. How many centuries did you study for it?
And Yeti-GBR1, thank you also for your response/help. I have seen you also many times around the board unselfishly helping others to succeed.
I am wracking my brains here, trying to decide if someone with shall we say less than extensive experience in the field can stand a chance passing 240, or should I just start from square one and do one by one.
Anyway, before I get off here on a diatribe, I will thank you guys for your help again. | |
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| My plan of attack? Well, what I did (as I did with NT 4.0) was to work out what exams I was going to take for the track (In NT it was the core four obviously, TCP/IP and Exchange 5.5) and then study for the lot in one go, create a network with the subjects that you are going to study for and break, fix, break, fix.....ZZZZzzz.
I did the same for 2k (got 219 tomorrow and that's me done), I studied for the core four, 219 and 221.
Am I going to do anymore? Yes, SQL and lots of other stuff (aren't we all) but after tomorrow I am taking a whole week off from studying (yes Yeti, a whole week!!!!).
Try not to burn yourself out doing it, just have fun!! | |
| Cardiff 2001-07-06, 5:07 pm |
| Hi guys again,
Well, ok thanks again for the valuable tips. It appears as though you "attacked" NT4 just like the accelerated exam. All at once. I guess that really is a sensible approach, since they are all tied together anyway.
Didn't Alan Carter make a few dollars with his books using that philosophy?
I just wish his 2000 book was as substantial as the NT4 was! Good book, but hear it is weak on Active directory and network infrastructure.
Anyway thanks for tips guys. Man Dec. 31, is really coming on fast!
Paranoia strikes deep. | |
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| You will be fine mate, just go for it....be completely single minded in your studies, every break you get at work, if you use public transport to work use that time too...every second counts mate and remember, if you get stuck we are here to help | |
| Cardiff 2001-07-06, 6:24 pm |
| I hear ya AndyC. Now all I have to do is figure out how to approach the task at hand.
In other words what to start reading first. I suppose the MS Press is a good place to start for 210 and work my way up the chain. Gotta know those core 4 like Bill Gates to pass the accelerated! As you already know!
Anyway, I will trawl on the board here and if you don't mind ask some "stupid" and maybe some not so stupid questions from time to time. Who knows, maybe I will learn something, imagine that!
Thanks | |
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| Yes, I do recommend the MOC if you can get your hands on it. I teach it everyday, and enjoy it. There are also less mistakes than the other books you mention.
I still recommend the MS/Exam Cram combo as you put it.
Thanks for the kind words, guys. You regularly make my day | |
| Cardiff 2001-07-09, 12:32 pm |
| Thanks freak, for the response. Well, I think that I may be able to purchase some of the MOC, if I can get a somewhat reasonable price. Otherwise I guess that I will just go with the MS Press and have fun correcting the errors! So what else is new?
Seems like every one of these books are strewn with errors. I guess that it is one way to test your knowledge, if you can pick out the errors. Doesn't help much though with new concepts!
Thanks again. | |
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| remember also to use the help files in win2k. they are great! | |
| Cardiff 2001-07-09, 6:08 pm |
| Okay again,
Thanks I will check out the help files too. Man, with all this info out there. Makes me wonder how you can stick all this stuff for 4 exams into your head at once!
I guess that you have to look at the entire process as a continuum(did I spell that right?) or something like that, rather than 4 exams.
I hope that I can meet the challenge. Too bad can't borrow you for a month or two, lol!
Thanks again. | |
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| anytime... I do teach classes you know All you have to do is come to beautiful Maine and I will take care of you | |
| TW2001 2001-07-11, 8:20 pm |
| Hey Andy what type of environment do you support/administrate work in? | |
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| Different networks, Netware 3.12, Netware 5.1 (not much of it though unfortunately), predominantly Windows NT4 with 2k rapidly joining us and ISA server.
Oh, and a bit of UNIX thrown in for good measure!! |
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