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| Hey everyone...
I'm interested in finding out why everyone is so worried about these new exams?
I think they are great - they are going to sift the people who really know their stuff from those people who are just in it to have a few letters behind their name and an increase in salary.
Anybody can study a book parrot-fashion and pass an exam - as proven by an "MCSE" I met the other day who could barely switch on her PC let alone work through Windows. These exams should test your knowledge of the concepts and what to do to troubleshoot them - exactly what you would need in the real world!!
IMHO if you are interested in getting your CCNP certification for what it means and not for what it can get you, you should be thankful for the change of exams.  | |
| onoski 2002-06-27, 5:38 am |
| Good point, but it seems to me that you are anti-Micro$oft. Its still the giant and would continue to be for a foreseeable future.
Just my humble sincere opinion. | |
| chodan 2002-06-27, 5:50 am |
| I don`t think he is anti microsoft so much as he is fed up with certified idiots.
He didn`t bash MS just and MCSE he knows.
I have seen the same situation with CCNA`s and almost every other certification track.
A couple of the instructors at the local Cisco Adcademy couldn`t pass the the origional test the first time, I`d hate to see them try the new tests hehe.
I think Cisco is on the right track with the new tests. | |
| onoski 2002-06-27, 6:16 am |
| QUOTE Originally posted by chodan
He didn`t bash MS just and MCSE he knows.
How do you know if this person is a he? on the profile section it says the opposite. | |
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| Thanks onoski - yip, I'm an IT chick and proud of it!!
And I'm not anti-Microsoft, it was just an example!
I'm anti people who get paper-certified, don't know jack about the stuff and give the rest of us a bad name!!
I know quite a few people who have failed the new CCNA because even though they do actually know the material, they don't have enough understanding of it to be able to implement and troubleshoot it effectively... | |
| onoski 2002-06-27, 9:46 am |
| QUOTE Originally posted by Jods
Thanks onoski - yip, I'm an IT chick and proud of it!!
Welcome to the club babes | |
| xtam1 2002-06-28, 12:02 pm |
| Dear All,
I consider my MCSE a great achievement toward my career since it was the gate that I went through to the real world of communication and technology.. It opened my eyes that I still have a lot to do and that I’m still in the basement of the knowledge and I have to gain more knowledge and here I am, I became CCNA and now to the CCNP..
Tamer Bayomy | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-28, 8:33 pm |
| Other than passing the test how else can one gauge a person knowledge of cisco. Everyone is a paper cert. Naturally some people know a little more than others. In the end we all have the same peice of paper. Don't blame no success on other peoples succes. | |
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| i dont understand why people dont realise there are no simulated exams for microsoft......even though i am into cisco more than microsoft....its unfair to generalise that many MCSE's are only good at paper. I have seen a lot of MCSE's who are really good and will give us a run for the money..... | |
| onoski 2002-06-30, 12:50 pm |
| If you consider the MCSE cert worthless why sit for the exams then. The mcse is just like any other qualification only that is vendor specific. Like it or not there would still be millions after this cert in the future, so if you're feeling so what then simply put don't sit for it then period. I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh but am fed up of people putting the cert down and still having it boldly by there cert profile, hyfresis I'd say well seriously I think people are just jealous of others getting the cert. | |
| sukuvi 2002-06-30, 1:00 pm |
| It is true that we all have the paper which proves that we know something. But that's not all we need to do the job. Having the paper is one thing but fixing problems is the real thing. However there are people out there who have passed the tests but when faced with a production environment problem, they don't know what to do.
This is not just with MCSE holders, it happens with all kinds of certifications.
Sometimes you have to go back to the books to read and refresh your knowledge about something you don't come across often and that you've forgotten. This is okay and normal, as long as you don't always have to go back to the books.
The fact is at work, the certificate can never do the job for you, you and only you have to prove to your employer that you can do what you are hired for. This is where some certificate holders fail and that's not good because how are you going to do your job. | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-30, 1:24 pm |
| Usually the same people talking smack about a cert are the same people without it. All certs have a different purpose and different knowledge they gauge. I here pople all the time talk smack about a+. It is to easy, it costs to much. These are the same people that never get ahead and don't even have the cert. The mcse is a good cert to have. NOw that I have passed my ccna I would venture to say it is better than ccna. I like cisco much better but an mcse has know alot. They know server, professional, networking design, maybe sql, and a few other areas. What do you know when you get your ccna? You know how to set the clock, some show commands, subnet ip address, open up console and telnet ports, and alot of general networking knowledge. There is not alot of stuff related to the job. CCNA is not bad or easy to get but the mcse is not either, in my opinion. | |
| chodan 2002-06-30, 2:19 pm |
| I don`t think CCNA and MCSE is a good comparison.
CCNA is an entry level cert like and MCP.
Whereas MCSE could be compared on a similar level with CCNP.
I agree with everything else though.
It gets tiresome seeing people come in and start putting certs down that they don`t have or don`t understand.
I`m always reminded of a conversation I had with a PC tech last year.
He worked at a computer store
Me: Do you have any certifications yet?
Him: "Nah I don`t see the point besides a guy came in here last year with an A+ and I didn`t think he knew all that much."
Me: Did he get fired here or sopmething?
Him:" Oh no he left here and got a pretty decent job, I applied for it to but he got it."
Me: Why did he get it?
Him:"I think he must have known somebody there or something."
Me: yeah or something. 
Therein is the value of certifications he and the other guy had similar work history the only real difference was probably the certification.
I tell you what if it is a toss up and I have a say in it I`ll hire the guy who took the trouble to get certified.
Thats just me. | |
| mikeghet 2002-06-30, 3:04 pm |
| "Nah I don`t see the point besides a guy came in here last year with an A+ and I didn`t think he knew all that much."
Again its these same people that will be in the same situation (gloating over other peoples succes and insecure of there own incompitnecys). A manager has the same attitude as the pc tech. I had a guy here ask do you think a+ is good? A manager told him not to get it becasue it is a waste(of course he don't have it). At the same workplace we require pc techs to have it. A manager is $12 an hour helpdesk manager. He will be stuck in that crappy job probably the rest of his life. Some people will never understand the meaning and purpose of "further education". So next time anyone says xcert is crappy, ask them compared to what, compared nothing it is better. | |
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| This thread wasn't intended to be about cert-bashing!!
I mentioned one MCSE because it was the first example that popped into my mind - I have met plenty of certified people who know so much about their particular field (MCSE's included) that it blew my mind!
And believe me, I've met a few CCNA's who I wouldn't want near my network equipment...
I was really having a gripe about all the people who clog up the forums asking about the new exams and about the sims. You're only going to get a sim about the stuff that's in the book anyway so what's the big deal?? If you know your stuff you should have no problems...
Anyone who can pass all the exams to get a cert should be really proud of themselves and I take my hat off to you. But passing these new exams are going to be much more challenging and definitely more rewarding... | |
| mikeghet 2002-07-01, 2:41 am |
| Good points jods. |
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