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typos are getting my dander up!
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| cciewannabe 2002-06-20, 1:15 pm |
| i just can't beleive my eyes! im in chapter 3 of cisco press routing 503 and looking at diagrams that are supposed to clarify the concepts of summarization/aggregation with VLSMs. ive figured it out, but the typos sure didn't help at all. how can cisco produce material with so many typos. for example, page 109 has 4 outright wrong numbers. in the region section 84 should be 64, 126 should be 128, and 182 should be 192. in the next section campus, the 66 should be 56 (multiples of 8). then in the floor section the lines are off by one binary 000 does NOT EQUAL 32! no matter how you cut the cake, never ever ever ever. im so perterbed here. i thought sybex was bad. and then i get ot page 120 adn the diagram is off again. when you're trying to figure out something as conceptual and abstract as VLSM and summarization it doesnt help to have typos!!! took me a half your to work through this crap. on page 20 in the routing table 140.100.222.102/26 should be 140.100.222.192/26. 102 would NOT be an advertised network of any kind EVER! i figured out the problem they're emphasizing in the diagram, and that is that the summarization on router A for 140.100.1.192/26 should be /29 so that it doesnt steal the other networks traffic (26 is too general of a summarization).
I SURE AS HELL HOPE THAT THE REST OF THE BOOK ISN'T LIKE THIS. UNREAL HOW MANY MISTAKES AND IM ONLY IN CHAPTER 3. MAKES ME WONDER HOW WELL THE AUTHOR REALLY KNOWS THIS STUFF. A WORD TO THE WISE, WHEN STUMPED DO YOUR OWN MATH! CISCO NOR SYBEX CAN GET IT RIGHT | |
| cahillrobert 2002-06-20, 2:38 pm |
| Not only the typos are in the book there. There are areas that the authors have concepats just plain wrong. This came up in another thread. Usually Press is better the Sybex.
Whenever there is incompatible information between Cisco Press and Sybex, Cisco's web site always wins. I have used the Cisco Technologies section as my ultimate source for the right information. In most exams I was able to obtain a 900+ by not being biased with what was in the book.
If you want to really figure out a routing or switch protocol or configuration try the web site. | |
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| mcoates 2002-06-21, 12:43 am |
| Sybex are lame especially Lammle's...
Press are better but I too found about 12 mistakes... | |
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| darthfeces 2002-06-21, 8:08 am |
| and the **only** resource you'll have in the lab
get cozy with it. (me too)
quote:
Originally posted by cahillrobert
Darth is right the univercd is a wonderful resource
another free Cisco resource that's right up there is:
http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Suppo...uting_Protocols
This one specializes only in protocols.
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| cciewannabe 2002-06-21, 8:13 am |
| If they were to put me in charge of Cisco Press (or Sybex) The first thing id do is say no one proofreads their own work! the sencond thing id do is before final print id get 30-40 copies, take it to a reputable school/reputable instructor that teaches CCNA and give them the beta books and offer the instructor $250 for every mistake he or one of his students finds, and student gets 100 to boot on top of what the instructor gets. so the instructor can be encouraged to promote looking for typos, and hell probably find 9/10th of them himself. for the instructor or student it's money in their pocket. if i were one of those students id have a trip to hawaii and im only in chapter 3 of routing. the idea of having an onsite proofreader with no technical understanding is ludicrous. i worked for a software company a few years ago and they had technical writers who were just as technical as the programmers with an english major to boot. the only way you can prevent this is to reward em for it beyond their salary. just my 2 cents. | |
| akarklins 2002-06-21, 10:42 am |
| I have often found typo's within all resources I have used weither it be CBT's, Video's, Virtual Labs, Audio, Transcenders, web based tests and yes actual routers.
I had contacted Cisco Press and requested an updated CD and did receive it!
However there still were errors and dead links in addition malformed questions/answers.
I would suggest many sources when studying so you can compare. I typically spend 4-6 weeks on each test and bombard my brain.
I feel like Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School (studying in the shower).
Here one Cisco spells "queuEing" incorrectly in their ios. | |
| mcoates 2002-06-21, 4:38 pm |
| Yeah I found the Cisco Press Study CD's that come with the books were shocking...
There are things like pick the best 2 and you can only select 1 answer etc...
It is like the questions and options havent even been proof read.
Shame on you Cisco Press.
Im about to do CCSA so i will compare to Cisco... | |
| davidbeecken 2002-06-24, 5:25 am |
| cciewannabe, what about if every teacher, found every error  )
A lotta money
heh | |
| cciewannabe 2002-06-24, 8:30 am |
| IMO one or two well respected instructors/schools would be able to find all the errors. for the starving student $100 for every error they report to the instructor is a nice reward, and i bet they'll have a better eye for errors and contradictions than any high paid technical editor. ok.. lets say their are 100 typos in a book. once the error is reported to the instructor no other students can claim that error. both the student who found it and the instructor are rewarded for this. so that'd be $500 for the teacher and $100 for the student who reported it. now if the instructor were to report it without student only $500 would be paid out for that error. you could probably get with paying the instructor $100 and they'd still be happy, but for the sake of example let's say it's $600 for every error. that's 100 errors by $600 which equals $60,000 expenditure. how many millions of dollars to they make selling these books, and if people are shopping on amazon, they'll see that the official editorial review speaks of errors and contradictions and the buyer reviews concur that they're loaded with errors. imagine if no errors or contractions were there, they'd have nearly 5 stars every time and sybex wouldn't be as much of an alternative. especially given sybex has loads of errors too. it would give them a major edge. now $60,000 is a lot and they could get by with $50 for instructor and $50 for student, with free beta books given. heck just the free books would intice many low funded schools. at that it's $100 per error @ 100 errors per book, and $10,000 per book. my guess is they probably pay the copy editors around $80,000 plus benefits (around $90,000) total comp. that's 9 books a year they could get error free (or pretty darn close) by just outsourcing it to the schools. and my opinion is that 40 heads are better than one and those students who don't understand the stuff yet will be able to better spot contradictions (because they're trying to learn it) than someone who is a CCIE. the CCIEs know it and for them the material makes sense to them no matter how it's written and an ambiguous word which could be contradictory to a newbie is fine for them because they'll interpret it correctly. i dont know, but thats what i would do if they gave me the reigns. what they're doing now obviously isn't working. |
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