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640-505 Remote Access question
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| mcoates 2002-05-17, 9:59 pm |
| hi all
The Cisco Press Cert Library which Im using...the Rremote Access book has a chapter on configuring the ISDN router 700 series.
It seems out of whach from the est of the book especially since this router wasnt even created by Cisco in the first place (they bought the co)
Is there 700 series questions in the exam?
Thx
mike | |
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| I think I got one or two questions regarding 700 routers. But none of them are configuration questions. you may need to know those profile type though. | |
| bill.burns 2002-05-19, 8:52 pm |
| JWU2,
What is best strategy for the 640-505 test. I have heard that the ISDN part is the heaviest part of the test, but what asspect of ISDN? In the past, you could concentrate on 5 parts of any CISCO test and pass. Is this the same with Remote? This is surpose to the easiest of the CCNP test, but it has me abit confused.
Thanks for any comments | |
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| Hi Bill. I took 640-505 a month ago, it seems the test covers all concepts in the BCRAN book. Frame relay, ISDN, PPP, NAT are tested a lot. Even X.25 has some in depth question. Know those Map commands in Frame relay, X.25 and ISDN. Be very good at those dialer profile stuff. WAN connection type, Asyc line configure, ppp multilink, Q.921 are all covered. You can skip 700 router configure , Modem AT commands and AAA commands I think.
There are just too many little thing and no way to memorize all of them, but questions are easier compare to 503. Those commands fill in should be piece of cake since it doesn't come with a big exhibit.
Good luck! | |
| bill.burns 2002-05-20, 12:49 pm |
| JWU2,
Thanks for the advice. Appreciate it. I take the test either this week or tues. next week.
No command exipts?
Thanks again.  | |
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| How much microsoft configuration is part of the test?
I find it rude of Cisco to focus so heavily on 95/98 configuration and leave Unix to the dust....considering most businesses that need Cisco work are running SOlaris on SUn boxes or Linux, FreeBSD, HP, etc....
so yeah, does the test give you a bunch of NETBUI or other such micro-centric questions?
thank you | |
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| There was one question regarding windows 95. Something like where can you find dial up network. hehe it's funny and that was my last question ( total 77 questions )  | |
| chodan 2002-05-21, 5:52 am |
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Originally posted by iso
How much microsoft configuration is part of the test?
I find it rude of Cisco to focus so heavily on 95/98 configuration and leave Unix to the dust....considering most businesses that need Cisco work are running SOlaris on SUn boxes or Linux, FreeBSD, HP, etc....
so yeah, does the test give you a bunch of NETBUI or other such micro-centric questions?
thank you
hehe
They probably figure if you know how to administer a Unix box you probably know where to configure its networking.
Also you have to consider this, you named 5 versions of unix which one do they pick?
Each has its own methods for doing similar things.
Also Most businesses in my area that use cisco are microsoft shops on the server and at the desktop.
There are very few desktop protocol questions from what I remember. | |
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| How about none of them.
They should have another cisco cert for OS integration and networking or something like that.
As far as MS work...Not to sound like an XXX, but is that not what the MS certs are for? How many cisco questions are on the MCSE tests?
I dont care that much about 95..for god's sake nobody uses that anymore...why not have it focused on NT or 2k? Heck, the test was revised by Cisco, they could have updated the OS flavor(s).
I accept that more knowledge is good, but there needs to be a line. I already spend hours memorizing packet structures and debug outputs...why do I need to know where to go in Windows 95 to set the DTE speed when no client that I know of uses that antiquicated OS...
I wonder how much Cisco is paid by MS to learn the MS way and ignore the others....
</rant>
BTW: I have seen a book by cisco press for Unix...but I have yet to come across a unix Q on an exam | |
| bill.burns 2002-05-30, 8:01 pm |
| JWU2,
This is a strange test. Alot #$%^&*. I guess its back to studing again. I have a ton of routing experience up to 15454, but no ISDN or access. This is purely a memory game on this one. When I worked at DIGEX we said that ISDN sucks and it still does.
Routing was a piece of cake compared to this. My handprints are still visable at the desk were I took the test. Please another, Sirrrrrrrrrr.  | |
| mcoates 2002-05-30, 8:27 pm |
| So did you fail it Bill.B?
I'll tell you something...Support is the worst...
SO far I have studied the first 4 chapters of the Support book by Cisco Press
There's a massive change in focus from what routers and swiches do...to how they work at a hardware level...quite hard to figure out...
The later chapters are based on FR/ISDN and switching etc...Lots of TCP/IP stuff...
Ive never approved of braindumps but im gonna look for one so I can get a feel for how important some of these chapters are and where the focus of the exam is...(NOT TO QUICK PASS THE EXAM LIKE MOST DO IN CHINA AND INDIA)
Alternatively...would love to hear from those who have sat Supporl already... | |
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| quote:
...(NOT TO QUICK PASS THE EXAM LIKE MOST DO IN CHINA AND INDIA)
as if ppl in new zealand and US don't use braindumps...
I saw your post about indians in some yahoo board and now you reiterate the point... k...
seem like you can justify it for yourself but others (bad enough to group everyone who use them in one group when some may have *justifications* just like yourself but you base these on racial/geographical line) are just lazy mofos looking for the quick pass... k whatever. | |
| chodan 2002-05-30, 8:46 pm |
| where does this "India and China" stuff come from?
Are the Questions easier because they are written in Chinese???
I don`t understand. | |
| mcoates 2002-05-30, 8:52 pm |
| Firstly...the brain dump thing is not a major issue to me..
I have met and interviewed many job applicants from India and China. It is very apparent that braindumps are used there to pass exams to get out of a poverty situation or out of their country.
They see the dumps as a means to an end and use them as a primary source of study to just scrape through exams....and not to mention the cheating that is prolific...
As a result, a few simple questions in an interview shows how little many actually do know...let alone the fact that they have no real world experience on the equipment.
My points were:
a) I have never used a braindump before
b) I would never advocate using one as a primary source of study
c) I have sat the last 3 CCNP exams using the Cisco Press books, passed all 3 first pop and got good grades
d) A braindump is not an accurate source of info for exams...how old is it?...who wrote it...are they real questions...???
e) There is a major difference between browsing a braindump to get a feel for an exam VERSUS using one to memorise questions.
The only reason I would browse one is because the Cisco Press book seems so convoluted and unclear as to what is really important to learn.
Oh yeah...
There are only 40 CCIE's in New Zealand and probably half are overseas anyway. There is not a lot of cheating going on here...there would only be about 120 people with CCNP here if you're lucky and virtually all of them come from IT/Telco backgrounds and have significant work experience. IT certifications cost 2x to 3x times as much as in the US for a start so people dont collect paper certs the same as some countries.
BTW - dont start that racial/ geographic crap because it doesnt wash with me...my statement was based on experience and fact. | |
| bill.burns 2002-05-30, 8:55 pm |
| mcoates
They touched EVERYTHING #$%&* in the book.
Don't laugh too much.......failed with a 638. But I want another sirrrrrrrrrr with splinters, lots of them. | |
| mcoates 2002-05-30, 8:58 pm |
| Im not actually against Chinese or Indians...I have employed many over the years.
But as a percentage, I get more CV's etc with quals that are meaningless paper certs than from my own fellow citizens...hence it makes it harder to sort wheat from chaff and I probably end up binning good applicants.
Another thing to consider is the fact that the exams are taken in English by most people, so its a second language to Chinese and Indians...although most can speak the language quite good.
Hence braindumps are used to memorise questions more where there is a lack of actual understanding of the question, in the hope that the applicant will recognise the right phrase...
So dont start calling me a redneck or whatever... | |
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| From: "mcoates20" <handcuffboy@h...>
Date: Sat May 18, 2002 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: remote access exam
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typical Indians...always trying to use cheats instead of doing things
the proper way. Why dont you learn things properly.
No wonder 1st world nations wont employ you no matter how qualified
you are because your certs on paper are worth shite!
You brought it up, now defend it. don't give me the crap about categorizing everyone from these nation because of your LIMITED experience with a few. Hell, I met people from US who braindumped, all you US cert holder, freaking dumpers!
Don't hate, that's based on my experience, I DID met a few ppl in the US who dump, hterefore using your argument, I can honestly say that all americans are dumpers who can't pass a test on their own merit.
IT certifications cost 2x to 3x times as much as in the US for a start so people dont collect paper certs the same as some countries.
to get out of a poverty situation
k, so 125 bucks is liek what? 1 -2 months fo their whole income? yet they are just collecting certs right? man, you sir are a joke.
I read those b4, sit on it cuz its your business how you want to view ppl from various places, but here you go brining it up while justifying browsing dump, get a hand of the exam (isn't that cheating? if i don't browse and no other idea of what direction the exam is, then you have an unfair advantage...) as ok. If it is not a major issue with you, I can't help but wonder why the tone and directed commented about ppl of various nation achieving these certs. | |
| mcoates 2002-05-30, 9:01 pm |
| im not laughing Bill!
these exams are hard...I finished remote thinking the worst...I just cant tell how I do until the message at the end....
...and the questions are really variable!
These a fine line between pass and fail...probably only 4 questions in your case...
Good luck sitting it again...you'll nail it this time. | |
| mcoates 2002-05-30, 9:08 pm |
| mikeop - youre spoiling for a shit fight and im not going to give it to you.
Just do a little search on the web for sites that offer to send people to sit your exams in place of yourself...its a thriving industry in some countries...go figure.
You can type what you want and distort what I say however you want but you wont get a response anymore. | |
| bill.burns 2002-05-30, 9:21 pm |
| mcoates,
I think that the braindumps exclusively to memorize and those who use them is a non issue as they will be known when they interview for a job. I am not trying to get in the middle of this all, but experiences both good and bad are valid, because those are the facts of life so to speak.
I agree that the using braindumps as guideline my be useful, but only as a vague light in the dark.
Thanks for the encouragement as I need it, to pass this booger and get onto CIT.
Regards,
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| Sorry to hear that Bill
I agree 505 is really not easy because the test cover everything in the book. But the test is fair, it will not surprise you if you understand those concepts.
Now you took the test and you should know your weak point. So just spend more time on those aspects.
Good luck!
Btw, those Frame relay and ISDN will be covered in CIT too. So you are also preparing the CIT while you prepare for the 505.
I will go take CIT on Monday.. | |
| chodan 2002-05-31, 7:37 am |
| I feel sorry for the company that lets a dumper get passed the interview.
It won`t take them to long in a production environment to be found out though.
Kepp plugging away and studying hard and you`ll pass. | |
| bill.burns 2002-05-31, 9:49 am |
| jwu2,
Thanks for the encouragement. And I know what the weaknesses they are scored in bw. Good luck on the CIT, I have heard its a booger.
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