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Can CCNP/CCDP find a job in the state ?
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| Please throw your idea ... Thanks ..
I completed CCNP/CCDP plus security specialize. I have 2 years experience in networking and telecommunication. English is not my mother language, and I am thinking about working in the state. I do not have a problem about work permit..
So, do you think I can find a job ? And how much payrate I can expect ?
Any idea from you would be highly appreciated. | |
| meyerc13 2001-08-14, 7:48 pm |
| Right now the job situation in the US is bad. I have 5 years of networking experience, and I'm not even getting interviews except with a few companies in which I already had a contact. 8-9 months ago I was getting an interview every time I sent out a resume. So things are much different now than they were at this time last year. I spoke with an HR person today, they ran an ad in a small local paper on Sunday and she already had hundreds of resumes. This is in a city of 50,000; and the ad only ran one day! A year ago companies had to actively recruit to get even 30 candidates. | |
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| Thanks for your information. Will it depend on which state ? | |
| vr2zjw 2001-08-14, 9:46 pm |
| Yes, job markets rise and fall, which field doesn't. But I think this is the best moment of updating yourself and prepare for another wave. Have you seen people missing their chance during the .com wave last year? I see a lot. When they know they are not good enought and then go studying, the wave is gone. | |
| meyerc13 2001-08-14, 11:38 pm |
| Yeah, state does matter a bit, in some states it is reportedly worse! 
Overall though the United States economy doesn't vary much from state to state. I've found that most non-US citizens don't completely grasp how interdependent all of the states are. We have borders on paper, but in reality they are fairly meaningless. If there were a state that somehow wasn't experiencing the poor economy, you can bet that the hundreds of thousands of laid off workers from other states would be driving there and looking for jobs. In the US, there is nothing stopping me from becoming a resident of any state I choose. All I have to do is move there and rent an apartment and I am a citizen of that state. It really is that easy, and that's why the bad economy in Silicon Valley and other high tech areas is hitting us up here in Wisconsin (not exactly the Technical heart of the US). | |
| peterd 2001-08-15, 1:54 am |
| Hi meyerc,
it could be that you have too much experience maybe? In the UK employers seem to want people with a couple of years and one certificate as it reduces the training budget...
but if the prospective employee has much more experience then he/she will expect a higher wage.
In the UK they would much rather take on someone like Hoon who has about the right qualifiactions and as a foreigner (no insult intended!) they would hope to pay a very low wage.
Hoon might try sending off his CV to a few companies (do you have Job Agencies in the US?) and see what sort of response comes back. There could be surprises all around...
Regards
Peter | |
| meyerc13 2001-08-15, 9:37 am |
| Well, I don't think that is it, since most of my experience has been in government, which isn't known for high pay in the US. I'll put it to you this way, my salary rarely hits the bottom of the charts in the salary surveys. 
Yes, we do have placement agencies (usually for temporary contract work), headhunters, etc. | |
| peterd 2001-08-15, 10:11 am |
| Hi meyerc
yes, me too! I'm almost 50 (in a few days time actually), I've been a telephone engineer most of my working life and I'm so 'over-qualified' that I can't get a job in that field. The usual excuse is that, "you'd want too much pay"...
So now I'm a network engineer, working for about the same level of pay that I'd accept doing my real job and everyone's happy.
It's difficult to get a job in the UK without going through an agency, most employers advertise through them and let the agency do the preliminary interviews. This is for permanent as well as for temporary staff.
It's possible to approach companies directly and ask if they have any vacancies I suppose but really it's shooting in the dark...
Regards
Peter | |
| CCNP2001 2001-08-15, 4:26 pm |
| Can u guys list some agencies , I would love to work in the UK. I am in NY right now working as Network Admin.
Getting Paid very well.
MCSE,CCNA,CCNP.. | |
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| ccnp why the hell u wanna to go to uk buddy.
NY IS BEST | |
| peterd 2001-08-16, 1:44 am |
| Hi CCNP2001,
looking in Network News magazine:
www.progressive.co.uk
www.commsfutures.com
www.netsource.co.uk
you could also try a search on google or askjeeves for recruitment agencies in the UK...
bear in mind that most of the jobs are in London and it's not a nice place to be.
Regards
Peter | |
| Dillon 2001-08-16, 3:30 pm |
| And the salary doesn't always go hand in hand with the amount that it costs to live there either.
I can earn almost as much as a network engineer in the north of England as I could in the south & with the cost of living being half that of the south as well.
Dillon | |
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| hoon+pederd+meyerc+sigh,
may be you are right. I have CCNA and now I am studying for CCNP. In Turkiye(Turkey), there is an economic crisis, so I want to work in UK/US. What is your advice ?
best. | |
| meyerc13 2001-08-16, 8:51 pm |
| Certifications are nice, but how much experience do you have? What type of technical education have you received?
In the US, they're inventing all sorts of new ways to describe the economy so they don't have to use the word recession. Personally, I'm already in the US and am stressed and worried over finding a job, I can't imagine moving to a foreign country and finding myself in the same situation. | |
| szsincer 2001-08-16, 9:46 pm |
| I also want to work in States, would you mind to give me some advice?
I have 7 years experience in IT field, and have MCSE, CCNA certification. I am prapering for the CCNP. I am living in Canada right now.
Thanks | |
| ciscogirl 2001-08-16, 10:14 pm |
| Just my 2 cents worth but the economy is not good in the States right now and there is no sign of immediate improvement. Jobs are scarce and competition is stiff. It might be better to put off a move to a new country until the situation improves.....I'd love to find a job but can't find anything..... | |
| peterd 2001-08-17, 1:51 am |
| ciscogirl & meyerc,
how does this work in the US...do you look for job adverts and respond with your CV (resume?) or do you cold-call companies?
The best way of finding a job would be to go through the phone-book and call any company that looks big enough to require your services.
It's been said many times in the past here in the UK that most jobs are taken before they're advertised.
Say someone contacts a company, they have a good CV, they sound good on an interview and the company decide to make a position available.
That company will usually advertise the post just in case someone better turns up...
and it's rumoured that they get a grant off the government for 'job creation' if they advertise it.
Also in the UK, a lot of the jobs advertised by agencies don't exist, the agency is merely looking to improve its database of potential workers.
I'll probably be looking for a new job early next year and I'll be cold calling as many companies as it takes.
Regards
Peter | |
| meyerc13 2001-08-17, 8:58 am |
| I agree that the best positions go unadvertised. I've sent out a resume for every job that was advertised that I am qualified to do. I've also checked with all my friends to let them know I was looking and see what they knew about. Found two possible opportunities that way. I also used my own contacts, which resulted in an additional two or three opportunities.
I have two interviews lined up for next week, two jobs I might be offered if the companies decide to hire given the current economy, and two or three places that are moving very slowly but for which I have a good shot at an interview.
I've also done my share of cold-calling. The thing I hear most often with that is "hiring freeze."
Granted, it has only been about a month since I became unemployed, but already I can see a huge difference from one year ago (or even 6 months ago). There is a lot more competition, and a lot less jobs. | |
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| I got a Bachelor degree from Canada, and currently living with my parents at Hong Kong. In the last couple months, I've already got tonnes of mails from my friends scattering around N.America; they were all asking me about the IT job market in HK and whether it's the time to make the move. I haven't been back to N.America for almost a year, but I believe that the States IT's industry is certainly not in a good shape.
For your case, I suggest u to try Singpore instead since it's not very difficult for u to get there. And they're having 'pink slip parties' too, which is way more better than HK...HK gov't & bus's DO NOTHING for unemployed IT people!!!!!! | |
| peterd 2001-08-20, 2:36 am |
| Hi Guys,
just another pointer for future use (it's probably too late to help this time around).
Whatever happens in the US seems to affect Europe around three months later. So next time things look bad over there, you may be able to get something in Europe before it hits here too.
You may not last long, depends how bad it gets, but it's another few months work and it may help boost your CV (resume) for the future.
Regards
Peter | |
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| Thanks everybody for your suggestion. |
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