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CCNP is easier than CCNA
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| robbert 2001-04-26, 7:14 pm |
| Yap. I have finished CCNP with in 2 months time. But it took me 4 months time to finish CCNA. I do all the labs after I finished all exams. So to pass the exam you don't need hand on experience once you have good practice questions and good book.My CCNP average is around 895
Robbert
helley_robbert@hotmail.com
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| jane55 2001-04-26, 8:23 pm |
| Would you like to tell us what resources you use? | |
| drizzits 2001-04-26, 11:47 pm |
| Seriously | |
| network geek 2001-04-27, 7:17 am |
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Originally posted by jane55
Would you like to tell us what resources you use?
Resources? Don't you mean drugs??? | |
| unbelievable 2001-04-27, 7:43 am |
| Hey Robbert,
I'm taking the CIT course at Global Knowledge next week and will be writing the exam a few days after. I will have my CCNP, just under two-months as well. It must be the Toronto air or something, eh! | |
| tul0kmn 2001-04-27, 8:01 am |
| Sorry Lads
I can't agree that CCNP is easier than CCNA. Most people who start off with CCNA have absolutely no exposure to networking, or Cisco products. This is why it takes some time for them to get their head around what is going on. After all, the ICND course covers a lot of ground for someone who may be new to networking. A lot of folk take a bit of time to get used to IP addressing and subnetting. This, I think, is one of the main reasons that people take longer initially to complete CCNA than CCNP
By the time you get to work on CCNP certification, a lot of people have really entered "study mode" and have a fair idea of what is required of them for an exam. I'm not quite sure if this is a realistic way of testing how proficient someone may or may not be when it comes to hands on. I would have to question how much knowledge retention there is after the exams are finished and CCNP certification achieved. There is an awful lot more to CCNP than CCNA, but by going the road of cramming for an exam a lot of people are achieving CCNP. I'm working with a few guys who have no hands on experience with Cisco equipment, yet managed to cram for CCNP, and they both achieved the cert before I did. Yet only last week, one of them asked me how he could determine the software version installed on a router!! What does that say?
Anyway, apologies if I've offended anyone with my ranting, I just had to get it off my chest. To properly understand everything on the CCNP track, takes, I feel, a little bit longer than two months (unless of course you have previous network experience and just want to brush up).
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| Detour 2001-04-27, 8:17 am |
| Yes the Cisco certs are getting saturated with no-experience people just like the MCSE's. Better hurry with that CCIE, the CCNP will be worthless in a year or two.
Of course, I say this sarcastically but it does have some bit of truth to it. As for the CCNA being harder, the fact that you have no hand's on experience is the reason it was harder. You really had to start from ground zero. Now with the CCNP youve had a good base of knowledge to build on top of. | |
| unbelievable 2001-04-27, 8:20 am |
| tul0kmn,
I have over 6 years of networking experience and yes, a lot of hands-on experience with the Cisco products. The CCNP wasn't that important to me, until last month when my company has asked me to complete it so they can get their discounts. I'm able to this in such a short time, because I understand most of Cisco's terminology. Yes, I suppose their are a lot of people out there cramming for these exams, but what can you do.
Cheers, | |
| tul0kmn 2001-04-27, 8:37 am |
| Hi unbelievable
I've been working in networking for the last 11 years, and have seen a lot of changes since then! But unfortunatly, to the uninitiated (i.e. non techie hiring people) someone with a cert is deemed more qualified than someone without, no matter what the experience difference. I have a horrible feeling that Detour is correct, and that the CCNP will be as worthless as the MCSE in a year or two. As it is, the CCNA isn't worth mentioning on your CV. I'm working for a company, which has nearly 30 CCNA's in our office here in Ireland. The only problem is....I'm the only one actually working on Cisco equipment! As I mentioned earlier, we have two CCNP's here who can barely turn on a router, never mind configure it!
This is why I think the CCNP can be good groundwork towards CCIE, but at the end of the day, the CCIE is going to be one of the few worthwhile qualifications. | |
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Originally posted by tul0kmn
at the end of the day, the CCIE is going to be one of the few worthwhile qualifications.
I hear the CCIE has already been outmoded in favour of the Ph.D. | |
| tul0kmn 2001-04-27, 9:00 am |
| touché | |
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| unbelievable 2001-04-27, 9:38 am |
| tul0kmn,
I totally agree with you. I happen to work with a bunch of so called "data engineers" and I wonder just have to wonder sometimes. That is why I have never considered the MCSE designation. The CCNA is going by the waist side and I guess it's only a matter of time before the CCNP designation falls from grace. I think the CCIE certification will always be the mother of all certifications for a very long time to come. | |
| Quintoh 2001-04-27, 9:45 am |
| I agree with Unbelievable about the CCIE being there for a while. I think that the lab part with keep all of the "paper" people from obtaining their CCIE's. From those that have taken, some passed and some failed, however most of them did not complete the lab. Everyone of them have 7 plus years in Networking. I think that the cost will be a deterrant as well. I can't see the "paper" people going in and wasting money on something they can't pass. Its one thing to take a test, its another thing when you have to take the theory and actually apply it
Quintoh | |
| dabreeze 2001-04-27, 1:33 pm |
| I think many of you are correct in what you are saying to some extent but lets not de-value the CCNA & CCNP cert for the many of us who have worked hard for this! | |
| fmrecpirate 2001-04-27, 2:06 pm |
| Everyone here has brought good points to the discussion however having a paper cert is just like having a degree.....you study and often times just memorize information to get by so that you may obtain a job of some worth. I have a degree and several certs and I still feel that the bottom line is that you have to prove your worth to a employer and that is what matter the most.My two cent for the day.....hope that I didnt step on any toes, did not intend to do so. | |
| Omletteboy 2001-04-27, 2:46 pm |
| Paper this, paper that... In the end it's better to have the cert than not to have it. This debate will never end. People just worry to much about what others do, the bottom line is that what you do for yourself is what matters. | |
| Dillon 2001-04-29, 5:46 am |
| A truly divine response Omletteboy. We all do what we do to enhance our own status. Some people feel threatened by others ability to gain these certs with a certain amount of ease but the flip side of the coin is that some people cannot help shouting from the rooftops about how great they are!
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