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Disappointed in many of you
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| I, for one, am extremely disappointed in posts like the stolen CBTs, FTP sites and even more so at the attention they get.
The Webmaster adds warnings but lets the posts stay up and y'all flock to this crud like flies to dung. Next I'll see posts like "How much more money can I expect for new CCxx certification?" Then you'll whine when I tell you it isn't worth anything. Know why they become worth nothing? Of course you do and each and everyone of you that contribute to sharing stolen software and test answers detract from the value of the certification.
I can't stop you, but I damn sure won't help you.
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| Come on Yankee - these people are all very wealthy AND they don't mind spending a few years in federal prison!
I emphasize the word "and" because of something called the "Federal Mandatory Minimum Sentencing Guidelines". Just like money can't buy your butt out of a federal prison term for dealing drugs, money can't buy your butt out of violating other federal criminal laws. But heck, a little prison time would enhance anyone's resume, right?
And then the money part of the deal. Here is how Sybex handles copyright infringements and the theft of its intellectual property:
Let's say John Doe posts a copy of one of their publications on an ftp site for others to download in pdf format. John will no doubt make many friends and this is good because he will need as many friends WILLING TO GIVE HIM MONEY as possible. For EACH download AND attempted download of the material John put on his server, John will have the opportunity to pay Sybex the full cost of their product - every time anyone downloads or attempts to download. Talk about a quick way to run up the debt of a lifetime - but don't worry! Some kind Assistant Attorney General will be happy to set up a payment plan for you with the court and they'll even remind you if you miss a payment - AFTER you finish your time in federal prison.
ARE YOU PEOPLE THAT MAKE THESE POSTS MENTALLY RETARDED OR JUST BORDERLINING ON TOTALLY STUPID? AND THE SAME IS TRUE OF ANYONE WHO SOLICITS SUCH ACTIONS!
If you are so low as to steal - do us all a favor and find another forum for your posts because we, or at least I, have absolutely NO respect for you.
Sorry Yankee - This stuff just ticks me off.
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Rico
CCNA|MSCE+I|CNE
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| I took the site down earlier. Sorry for all the commotion it caused, was just trying to offer a soloution to the problems faced by the freedrive users on the group by giving them a temporary access space. I realize the implications and the sites down.
however, instead of all looking down at me now i would like you to notice the fact that all the trading was going on way before the topic i started got the moderators attention (see bcran CBT right here) and thats where the idea came from.
Sorry for the trouble.
Rage. | |
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| All pirated software does is create more paper certs... devaluing the certification.
Why not just go out and learn the stuff... and if you can't afford the books, go to your public library (mine even has Cisco Press CCIE materials) or hang out at one of the big chain bookstores like Borders or Barnes and Noble and read the books there.
Or check out EBay... second hand stuff available from there.
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| Rage,
My comments weren't directed at you alone nor just your post. I am aware these things go on all the time...yours just happened to be the straw that broke this old camel's back.
Thanks for understanding,
Yankee | |
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| Rage:
I also, was not referring directly to you. The fact is that if people would STUDY and LEARN the material, work on their weak areas, and take some practice exams, they would pass the exam and have the knowledge expected by Cisco.
No problem with you as we've been in the forum ditches together for some time now and I think your intent was honest.
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Rico
CCNA|MSCE+I|CNE
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| Thanks for the responses, made me feel a lot better, as I thought i was the one to blame.
Back to studying  )
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| While I would never solicit such material, I would have certainly been a willing participant. I feel embarassed and ashamed. All of my certs I got through experience and studying. I get upset sometimes because of the devaluing of the certs, and here I was, going to contribute to the problem. I for one, would like to thank Yankee and Rico for setting everyone straight...including myself. Some harsh words were posted...but sometimes that's what it takes to get people's attention. I will never again even think of participating in such activity.
Humbled
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LANlord :-)
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| Wouldn't people like the hard cover instead of a thick *** binder?? For me I can honestly say i bought my share of books... and it looks nicer on the shelf then having a bunch of thick *** binders...hehehe
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| Sid, I think you'll find they don't just sit on that shelf either. Although many are designed for a test, I find myself reaching back for them more often then I care to admit! A sound investment for your future 
Yankee
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| I am not condoning the trade of copyrighted materials, but I don't see how they "cheapen" the certification. For me to give someone access to information about Cisco products and networking in general.
I for one will not purposely block someone from getting access to this information. Yes, it does give me more competition, but if they study hard, work hard, and pass me up, then more power to them. I was the one who didn't earn the right to be at a higher professional level. And I will definitely not try to protect my position by holding others back.
So, now I have given someone the opportunity to learn the skills and get the knowledge to pass whatever certification exam. They still will have to develop both aspects (skill, knowledge) to pass the exam, no matter what manuals, equipment, simulators, or whatever I gave them. They will have to earn it. I just gave them the opportunity.
Sure, lets protect the intellectual property, the authors earned that courtesy by working hard to produce something of great use to others. So buy their product(s), they earned it.
And no, I will not hesitate to loan my materials or advice to an aspiring professional.
Again, I agree on the protection of copyrighted materials, but I just didn't like the tone that implied we need to prevent others from getting access to the information that would help them compete in the marketplace. That is middle-ages thinking.
My $ .02
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John Gooch
"May the Force Be With You"
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| Yes, I agree with you John Gooch.
Regards,
Ravi
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| Gooch,
Look around buddy..... there are many here attempting to share info and answer questions. No one has said a word against that, rather the opposite is true!
What I and apparently others object to is the stealing of copyrighted material and the use of braindumps (actual test questions being posted for people to study prior to their exam). Stealing doesn't cheapen the certifications, but braindumps do!
Yankee | |
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| i agree to both Yankee and Gooch. they both have good and real points, but if i have to take sides, i'd rather go for Gooch.
to those against Gooch, say, you purchased a licensed software for studying, then come along your brother who wants to study the same thing. would you tell your brother, go buy for yourself, or would just share it with him?
just my 2 cents also.
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| yankee, i am new here, i come here want to share some KB and some Q&A , and even some some is good gor the cert,
i think all one have the same aim, but sometime it is hard to get some material. so if a exchange area maybe help those want to exchage some thing they own.
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| Okay,
Time to shut this one down. Bottom line here is that this site does not in any way condone the illegal "exchange" of copyrighted material. No matter how much I may agree or disagree with the "sharing" of material, THIS SITE DOES NOT CONDONE IT.
To me it's as simple as this. If you come to my home and I have a rule against drugs in my house, don't do it. If you sell crack from my home I could lose my home because of your illegal activity. We have been invited to the webmasters place, so we should honor his rules while abiding here.
If you look at the majority of posts, people are more than willing to provide guidance in locating materials for the exam as well as answering any questions you might have.
The Reamer
Forum Moderator
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| I think alot of people get upset because some people go to the dumpsor just plainly get answers from people who took the test already. Does`nt really bother me much,they are just cheating themselves. Learning is fun for some of us,yes we work very hard but we enjoy it. Let get the sheet of paper to hang on their wall,because it`s just amusing to me. The employers are very much aware of this certification craze,and that`s why if you can`t even get past the technical interview you`re out the door within 5 minutes.One of those guy`s was shown a router,got so scared ran out the door. So if people are getting certification without the hard work,i have no problem if he wants a piece of paper to have above his fireplace. | |
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| So now comes the concept of an "Exchange Area"....
I don't think the fact that you transferred copyrighted material to your brother, cousin, or father is a defense to prosecution under Federal Law.
Why not use this site as it was setup through much hard work to be used - help each other out in preparing for the exam!
I'll also remind those who are a party to a NDA with Cisco that you are in violation of your NDA if you share information regarding your exam experience with anyone and by any means.
I'm not trying to be an A**, but I really gained a TON of knowledge using this group and other resources without ever ONCE using stolen material.
Everything you need is available to you without stealing! Take advantage of this site and the legal resources recommended herein.
Why waste posts about infringement when you SHOULD be studying your butt off which is really the only thing that will enable you to pass the exam?
I'm so sick of topics such as this!
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Rico
CCNA|MSCE+I|CNE
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| This is an interesting topic. Look at Mircosoft - the ability to do what they have done is what makes our country (USA) so great and it is Bill's ideas that have played a huge role in getting technology where it is. However, look what we get along with the good ideas - crap OS's and rediculous prices. I like NT, but why pay so much when I can have Linux.
Many people who want to better their life style cannot afford these stupid CBT's, etc. because the companies that make them are exploiting the public's desire for them. And they try to justify it by telling you that you can make so much money, which will help pay off the loan you took out to buy the thing in the first place. Wake up Men, smell the crap in the pastry! You will slut yourself to some unappreciative company for several years before you see what you are hoping for.
I for one am torn; I see and appreciate both sides of the issue. A company should be able to make money for providing a service, however they shouldn't take advantage of the oportunity by charging so much. AND ENOUGH WITH THESE VARIOUS VENDORS RELEASING AN UNFINISHED PRODUCT! DON'T SELL ME A ROUTER SIM PROGRAM FOR $350.00+ UNLESS EVERY SINGLE ADVERTISED FEATURE WORKS!! Those who have tried RouterSim (which I do like) know what I mean. | |
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| Yankee you must have run out of books to read and study. You spend way too much time being the cyber police. if people violate the law the authorities are their to punish them. Sharing material does not cheapen the tests you still have to read and study the material. Giving questions and answers on the other hand is bad practice, but thats why we accepted the agreement from Cisco let Cisco decertify these individuals. | |
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| I dont have anything to add. I just wanted to say hi MOM. |
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