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HAS ANYONE TAKEN THE NEW HORIZON CLASSES ??
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| Has anyone taken the whole new horizon course of CIW.. if so .. did u like the classes ? did u learn alot ?? i took my 1st week there in Fundamentals.. and well im learning all the stuff mostly on my own.. The teacher only read out of the books.. ANY HELP plzzzzzzzz write back !
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| new horizons books are very very good infact all what you need to pass ciw exams .. if instructor is doing so do complain because this is not the new horizons standard .. | |
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| The new horizon stuff is good, but you need to do alot of studying on your own if you really want to learn the stuff. I just took the web languages course, it was way too much info for one week:javascript and perl. The next class is supposed to be asp,php,and cgi all in one week that is crazy they should all at least be one week. the best thing to do is get a book and study the topocs in advance
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| New Horizons is a great place to take classes to help you with these certifications. But you still have to devote self study time for these tests as well. The books that came form the classes are excellent study tools. | |
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| Anyone that is familiar with Certifications knows you MUST have two forms of studying. If one chooses to use Instructor led classes then they must ALSO use self study. It is the way it works. I am an instructor at a New Horizons and I also agree with complaining. I know it is not their standard and would never allow one of my instructors to read out of a manual, you can do that on your own. The classes are a benefit because they give you ALOT of hands on. Come on, where else are you going to get to use Site Server Commerce Edition or have an entire Macromedia Suite at your disposal, Not to mention all of the servers necessary for working throught Developer and Security!
For anyone Not taking Instructor led classes, don't complain about lack of experiance on your part.
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Originally posted by kallisto:
Anyone that is familiar with Certifications knows you MUST have two forms of studying. If one chooses to use Instructor led classes then they must ALSO use self study. It is the way it works. I am an instructor at a New Horizons and I also agree with complaining. I know it is not their standard and would never allow one of my instructors to read out of a manual, you can do that on your own. The classes are a benefit because they give you ALOT of hands on. Come on, where else are you going to get to use Site Server Commerce Edition or have an entire Macromedia Suite at your disposal, Not to mention all of the servers necessary for working throught Developer and Security!
For anyone Not taking Instructor led classes, don't complain about lack of experiance on your part.
Mandy
I am also an instructor for Networking + and we are begining to offer the CIW courses. What is the pay salary for your instructors? Both A+,Net+ and CIW? I just want to compare.
Thanks
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| I don't know about anyone here but I am studying for my I-Net. I have had several people say the I-Net is easier than the CIW. I found the exact opposite. I also hear the same. What I have found is that CIW is more HTML and web design geared and I-Net is more Networking what do you think?
I have taken my CIW classes at New Horizons. Along with several other classmates I found the Pro Soft courseware to be very propiatary and inconsistant. They have had to change many things which has led to confusion.
I am soooo nervous about this I actually failed my CIW by 2pts the first time and HTML is what I failed good grief! I have been programming HTML for several years now…sort of scary =]
Now I said forget it to the CIW and hope to pass the I-Net+ and apply for that old propiatary CIW exam…any thoughts on that? Also has anyone done that…made an application to the CIW after passing the I-Net+? How long did it take you to get your actual Certifications back in the mail? I start E- Commerce and Site Designer Next week. New Horizons has been great when it comes to my MCSE NT 4, and MCSE WIN 2K classes the instructors were awesome. Wish I had the same experience as those classes. | |
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| I also wanted to add for additional resources I reccomend the I-Net+ by Corolis The hard cover with Practice tests CD...I purchased and started studying that before the class and actually several of my classmates used that instead to pass. May be that will help
And that I have also been in a classroom along with others that the instructor did read out of the book....that same CIW class aforementioned! Interesting comment! | |
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| I took the Foundations and Site Designer courses at New Horizons and found that the instructors spent a lot of the time reading straight from the book, word for word. I'm looking at doing the Ecommerce course but think it might be better (cheaper!) to just study from the books. They also don't know a lot about CIW and seem to have poor communication with them.
I have been waiting 9 weeks now for my CIW Site Designer certificate. I find the CIW site quite confusing and sometimes it's unclear whether you even get a certificate (after spending so many $$$$$). The i-Net+ cert. arrived fairly quickly from CompTIA but all you get from CIW as a cross-credit is a photocopied piece of paper simply stating that you passed the Foundations exam.
I hope my CIW Site Designer cert. is more than a photocopy! I won't be enrolling for Ecommerce until it arrives. | |
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Originally posted by kiwidee:
I took the Foundations and Site Designer courses at New Horizons and found that the instructors spent a lot of the time reading straight from the book, word for word. I'm looking at doing the E-commerce course but think it might be better (cheaper!) to just study from the books. They also don't know a lot about CIW and seem to have poor communication with them.
I have been waiting 9 weeks now for my CIW Site Designer certificate. I find the CIW site quite confusing and sometimes it's unclear whether you even get a certificate (after spending so many $$$$$). The i-Net+ cert. arrived fairly quickly from CompTIA but all you get from CIW as a cross-credit is a photocopied piece of paper simply stating that you passed the Foundations exam.
I hope my CIW Site Designer cert. is more than a photocopy! I won't be enrolling for E-commerce until it arrives.
kiwidee,
I am clear across the world and I have several classmates that had the same problem with the Foundations class at new Horizons. The instructor read from the book. THey were not very happy to say the least.
I have to say in their defense it seems that Comptia has changed its criteria several times this past year. Not just with how the Certifications are issued and for what but also the courseware. So for instructors to teach it ...it proved to be quite difficult. Don't feel bad, I took the class because it advertised that it was a Course that covered the I-Net+ and the CIW. Only to find out not only was my teacher not certified in I-Net+ but could not answer my questions. Especially the ones I had been getting on these basic practice exams. I have only had this problem in this class, My Microsoft instructors have been wonderful. And New Horizons apologized for the incident and compensated me with another course.
I made the suggestion that Foundations should be divided into 2 parts...as the Microsoft exams were. The first part introduction to the net, and Html Principals, And the second Networking. Hopefully devoting a whole week for that not just 2 days which is the suggested time frame Comptia has. I feel for most it is not enough time without that basic Networking knowledge...that is just starting out.
I chose to take the I-Net+ exam solely because the CIW seemed so proprietary. (Out of the book) I did take the CIW and failed by 2 points. I remember that some of the questions had 2 really good answers or more and It was more about what "they" wanted you to know not grading you on what you do know.
We also found MANY discrepancies in the actual courseware. Two different locations had a T1 at two different speeds...etc.
So hopefully with the I-Net+ I can skip this one =]
A couple of my classmates are and have been Webmasters.... and they "failed" that exam, with networking knowledge. After taking the class (I might add we all failed in the HTML section, LOL)
I wonder did you notice any Java Scripting questions on your I-Net+? I did see one on the CIW and that is defiantly not covered.
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| Sir,
About the site designer certification, I don't think you get one for it so you shouldn't wait, here is what happened with me, I took the foundation exam, after three weeks they send me a letter telling me that now I'm ciw associate and encouraging me to keep going, then I took the site designer exam, didn't hear any thing from them, finally I took the e-commerce exam and after four weeks I got my certification as a master cite designer within the same envelope message about being professional site designer too. So keep going and you'll get your certification don't worry.
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| I recently took my CIW Foundation class from New Horizons. I had an excellent instructor. He really knew his stuff. Maybe you had a newly certified instructor.
I took my test last week. I passed my 2nd attempt at the CIW foundation test. Believe it or not, I did not pass the first test by one question. HTML question!!! incredible.
Hang in there with New Horizons! Also, study, study, study!!!
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Originally posted by Joy-Joy:
I recently took my CIW Foundation class from New Horizons. I had an excellent instructor. He really knew his stuff. Maybe you had a newly certified instructor.
I took my test last week. I passed my 2nd attempt at the CIW foundation test. Believe it or not, I did not pass the first test by one question. HTML question!!! incredible.
Hang in there with New Horizons! Also, study, study, study!!!
Joy-Joy
Congrats Joy-Joy!
But I think it is very interesting....you and several others including myself failed by one point the first time around and passed the second time.
Yeah, actually my instructor was not certified and "I Don't know came out of her mouth several times". ANd on important issues from the book. It prooved to be quite confusing. Like I said. THey have made so many changes to their courseware. In fact she actually told us that we would not have to worry about "private" IP addresses on the test. EEEk!
Glad to hear you had such a good experience, several instructors at New Horizons are awesome...always a bad apple =] | |
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| I am an instructor but not at New Horizon's since I contract at locations and they don't hire contractors in MA. My opinion is that the instructor makes or breaks your chances. If you have one that is reading that is unacceptable. It is your money, complain, ask for another class!
You can pay $200 for a class with an awesome instructor or $10,000 for a bad instructor and waste money. The difference is that the place that you pay $10,000 at usually (usually) has the better instructors because they pay the good ones more.
Complain! You should be getting information and insight that is not in the book! Torture the instructor -- read ahead of them and pepper them with questions!!!
San...
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MCSE, MCDBA, MCT, i-Net+
http://www.SassySolutions.com/class | |
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Originally posted by Flynmonkie:
kiwidee,
I wonder did you notice any Java Scripting questions on your I-Net+? I did see one on the CIW and that is defiantly not covered.
I sat the i-Net+ exam a while ago now but am pretty sure I didn't see any questions on Javascripting. One interesting thing though on both my i-Net+ and Site Designer exam's was having exactly the same question turn up twice in the exam! Ok if you know the answer, but you lose 2 times if you don't!
BTW, CIW have assured me by Site Designer cert. will be here in 2 weeks now that I have signed their Cert. Agreement. That, I am looking forward to  | |
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Kidwee,
I have had it with the Prosoft stuff!
I am going to go another route. I just feel that the site designer and e-commerce classes are a waste of my money. It seems most of the information in these classes I can read about and self study. I am not sure what direction after the I-Net I plan to go. I am enrolled in JAVA certification and MCP WIn2K. thinking of going the A+ Route. One thing is for sure I want to learn and It seems with the CIW stuff I wasn't really "learning" prob just me, who knows!
Thanks for the warning on the I-Net I plan to re take it this week =]
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| You should try Techskills training center.
Their half the price and you go in and train whenever you can. You dont have to take a class on there time. I live in cincinnati but they have centers all over. | |
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| CompUSA will soon offer the CIW classes. They use ProsoftTraining courseware which is authorized by CIW. The instructors will not read from the book.
Also, the other posts are correct. You will always need 2 forms of study. Instructor-led classes and reading another study guide usually does the trick. | |
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CompUSA will soon offer the CIW classes. They use ProsoftTraining courseware which is authorized by CIW. The instructors will not read from the book.
Also, the other posts are correct. You will always need 2 forms of study. Instructor-led classes and reading another study guide usually does the trick.
You really are kidding me right?? How can YOU guantee that the instructor will not read out of the book. As a Training Manager I see it happen all of the time. IT IS NOT THE STANDARD AND IS UNACCEPTABLE where ever you are. I do not allow my instructors to do it BUT there are times EVERYWHERE that it happens. If the clients don't complain we don't know. Besides if CompUSA where known for their training you would see their name here far more often.
The smartest thing said was that you have to have two forms of study. I am a great promoter of this philosophy seeing as my entire life revolves around learning.
Stick with what works! Good luck to all
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| I started taking CIW classes at Drexel in philly way back in May of 2000. It is my opinion that 10% of the class is dissapointed at the sometimes vague topics discussed and 90% of the class is left scratching their heads over these same areas.
After I finished with the foundations training and got my cert(which is not as difficult as everyone makes it out to be and much easier than the Inet+); I decided to skip the classes and self study. There are more than enough resources on the web to help you pass and enough discussion forums to help when you need more detail. I have since passed site designer and am taking e-commerce designer tommorow. The best advice I can give is to study as much as you can and also review like hell the night before as I am doing now. Good Luck to everyone.
Henry Dieckhaus A+, I-net+, CIW Associate,Professional and hopefully Master tommorow
BTW don't forget actually creating websites and having examples is the difference between getting a job or just a piece of paper | |
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| I passed with a 95% I'm now waiting for my piece of paper and maybe I can get 10$ off a Ciw bookbag(keep you fingers crossed) | |
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Originally posted by winterradio:
I passed with a 95% I'm now waiting for my piece of paper and maybe I can get 10$ off a Ciw bookbag(keep you fingers crossed)
winterradio if you're interested, I have a CIW backpack for sale (brand new in original plastic) - I got double CIW backpacks for Christmas
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| Hey Karen, its a deal if you throw in the pocket protector and pencil case
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