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| xonkers 2002-09-08, 5:33 am |
| OK folks,
Im a week away from signing the papers on a year long MCSE course at the local tech institute. Im told it can take less time but I will have to work at the same time.
What I need to know from you guys is what to expect in a nutshell on this thing?
I have never worked with computers in a real world scenario (outside of class or home comp)
What I have done is turn on a computer for the first time a year and a half ago and since then done A+. (and a lot of business and office courses too!)
What can you guys tell me in terms of 'the real story' What should be done first? 70-210? Is there a best order to take these. Which ones are gonna be bastards to do and which are the easier ones?
Do I need a home lab? 2 or 3 comps networked?
How many rewrite on average?
OK, Any general tips on this upcoming madness are greatly appreciated.
Cheeers.. | |
| KScheler 2002-09-09, 10:58 am |
| It will help you to have a small lab of at least 2 computers networked together. Some of the material for the exams require that you have as much hands-on as possible, even in a home lab. Different people take the exams in different order. Depends on what you are comfortable with. I did this order: 215, 210, 217, 216, then 219. I had 2 electives from my WinNT 4 MCSE. | |
| xonkers 2002-09-09, 1:02 pm |
| Thanks KS
So Im now wondering if there is any sorts of benefits to what order I take them? I just assumed that 70-210 would be the one to start with as the sort of 'primer' or premise to the others?
I havent looked at the new electives but I see a new security one.
Some are saying this 216 one is a real bad-boy?
Yikes eh - 7 of these freakin exams lol
Thanks again | |
| Zaraspook 2002-09-09, 7:38 pm |
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Originally posted by xonkers
Thanks KS
So Im now wondering if there is any sorts of benefits to what order I take them? I just assumed that 70-210 would be the one to start with as the sort of 'primer' or premise to the others?
I havent looked at the new electives but I see a new security one.
Some are saying this 216 one is a real bad-boy?
Yikes eh - 7 of these freakin exams lol
Thanks again
Study 210 and 215 together, because there's a lot of overlap between the two, and knowing 215 will help tremendously on the 210 exam.
Make sure you put together two or three boxes. It doesn't have to be anything extravagant. The hands on will be invaluable, especially for the higher level cores.
The 216 is a beast but very passable, you just have to take a little extra time on it, and make sure you get all the hands on you can.
Other than the four required core exams, I don't know what electives you plan on taking in your certification path, but for the four core exams, I recommend you take 210, 215, 217, & 216 in that order. Overall, it will shorten the amount of time it will take to complete them versus going in numerical order! It's not exactly the same order I went, but hindsight is 20/20, isn't it? Good luck! | |
| xonkers 2002-09-09, 7:56 pm |
| Excellent tips here guys,
I never even thought in terms of doing two at the same time but I can see how that might actually work. I will take note of the orders you guys mention becuause that really does seem to be something many people regret or credit with time saving at least.
Im getting told that 6-8 months is a typical length for all 7 (at a roughly 25 hour study week) I suppose that is pretty much a individual thing but curious as to how long its taken people in here.
Thanks again for great contribs on this one. | |
| Zaraspook 2002-09-09, 8:53 pm |
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Originally posted by xonkers
Excellent tips here guys,
I never even thought in terms of doing two at the same time but I can see how that might actually work. I will take note of the orders you guys mention becuause that really does seem to be something many people regret or credit with time saving at least.
Im getting told that 6-8 months is a typical length for all 7 (at a roughly 25 hour study week) I suppose that is pretty much a individual thing but curious as to how long its taken people in here.
Thanks again for great contribs on this one.
If your working full time and juggling work, family, and responsibilities, 6 - 8 months will get you paper; that's all! Plan on at least double that amount of time, if not more, and that is if you really want to learn and be able to perform the job. It takes time to read 800 to 1200 page study guides several times, perform and understand well as many lab excercises as your equipment allows, and then put it all together to pass the exams. 6 - 8 months is realistic for a journeyman who has been in the field for several years working with the product on a daily basis, not for someone who "turned on a computer for the first time a year and a half ago and since then done A+." Even if you do manage to accomplish the MCSE in 12-16 months, it will still take you several years before you can even come close to keeping up with that journeyman! | |
| xonkers 2002-09-09, 9:04 pm |
| Hmmm. Ya it looked to me like it would be longer than 6 months and i was suspicious of schools that bragged about 'six month MCSE's' at night.
I dont want to just pass exams either. You always want to actually understand the whole idea not just cram and regurgitate on the exam.
Im actually going to see if I can get work in a position that actually deals with MS Networks. I figure that way the job and the course are hopefully supporting each other.
I will aim for the year but will take due note of your 'heads up'. Especially for really understanding it.
Thanks again! | |
| twister166 2002-09-12, 8:33 pm |
| Well, I will take 210, 215, 216, 218... If I am going to take four exams and it gets me a cert, I will take 218 over 217...  | |
| xonkers 2002-09-13, 2:30 am |
| I have been trying to figure out that one too. that being the required 3 for MCSA - that way, if I find I can not finish the course for some reason I could always add Net+ to my A+ and have an MCSA.
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I think that is how that works? Or do that as an option to take a 'break' halfway through MCSE in the event it drives me nearly insane. LOL
Twister? I think you have almost every cert there is? You must find a lot of overlap at this point?
A few students I know say they wont bother doing the OS portion of A+ until after they do MCSE - the thinking being that it will be an easy 'gimme' exam after all the MS exams.
Im really beginning to see how order of study is important to the whole scheme of things.
Thanks again
Doesnt seem as clever to me as they think it is? | |
| twister166 2002-09-13, 9:10 pm |
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Originally posted by xonkers
Twister? I think you have almost every cert there is? You must find a lot of overlap at this point?
Nope, I don't have all the certs out there, there are planty of others who has more... I worked in the field for many years, there were not needs for all the certs, I need them now to gain teaching credential...
As for the MCSE goes, I will say take the 210 and 215 first, take 218... if you can slay the 216, take the N+... Get your MCSA, then complete the MCSE... It may be nice to stop and get some smaller cert as well... | |
| xonkers 2002-09-13, 9:48 pm |
| I am seeing more jobs that ask for certs myself! I guess with the downturn they have to have some way to set a bar.
Now then, Im scared to ask almost but can someone explain just what makes 216 'the beast'? Am i better off not knowing for now LOL ?
Why do I have a feeling this has to do with some warped needlessly complicated and awkward Microsoft logic!!
Im getting told that I will need to know a unhealthy amount about IP addys and TCP/IP? | |
| twister166 2002-09-13, 10:08 pm |
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[i]Im getting told that I will need to know a unhealthy amount about IP addys and TCP/IP? [/B]
The entire MS TCP/IP 4.0 exam are migrated into 216... |
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