Windows 2000 track general - Computeach set up deal with Trancenders

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Computeach set up deal with Trancenders

lardie

2002-07-30, 8:02 pm

This is really for all the people out there that may be studying or thinking about studying with Computeach.

Some of you may already know this, but I just found out today that Computeach have signed a deal with Trancenders, for the supply of practice exams etc.

This means that from now on us people studying with Computeach will recieve Trancenders as part of the course material supplied, at no extra cost.

Now thats gotta be a sweet deal

And no I don't work or have any affiliation with Computeach, other than the fact that I am studying with them.

Sexy Lexy

2002-07-31, 5:54 pm

Another nail in the IT industry coffin for the Midlands.

Computeach provide training to people with little or no experience in the IT industry and inform you about all the money you can earn from being qualified (Allegedly before any lawyers contact me.)

This not only attracts people who would normally not pursue IT as a career (With the incentive of £££££'s they find it attractive) But will now provide certification to people who do not have the aptitude or interest in the profession.

The market is flooded with qualified inexperience and this is just adding to the pressure of those already in IT to progress when employers can get, what they think are suitable candidates that have the piece of paper and nothing more.

What next? Someone sits the exam with you??

But as freak once pointed out, it makes the rest of us look even better in interviews.

lardie

2002-08-01, 1:44 am

I'm Sorry but I gotta take offence to you're post,

To IMPLY that I have little or no experiance in IT is just a completly uninformed and unjustified statement, hell I started out with a Sinclair ZX81 in kit form all those years ago and have been building / maintaining and troubleshooting various machines for many years, I have just never got around to any formal qualifications.

I decided that I wanted to change direction in my life about 2 years ago, but found that without bits of paper to prove my abilities, due to having no commercial experience, nobody would employ me in IT (regardless of the fact that I probably know more than most of the techs they already employed).

So I haven't got lots of fancy letters after my name BIG FRIKIN DEAL does that make you better than me, does that mean you know more than me, I DON'T THINK SO !!!!!!!

Unfortunatly employers in my area seem to be impressed with things like fancy letters.

There are a number of personal / financial reasons why I never got into commercial IT until now, but I don't need to justify myself to you, hell I don't even know you and, more importantly, YOU don't know me and you're post offended me in a BIG way.

It's condecending attitudes like yours that really wind me up about this industry, but I have a love for IT that most people working in the industry will never have.

I am not motivated to do this for MONEY, hell I would work for nothing if i could afford to, I'm doing this so that I can pursue a career that I have a passion for.

Sexy Lexy

2002-08-01, 5:43 am

First of all I did not mention you or imply that you as a person had no experience. It was a generalisation toward the training methods used (In this case providing transcenders to supplement the courses) to make the exams less of a challenge. But as you took the liberty to adopt a personal response, I feel it only fair to reply accordingly.

I have been in the industry for ten years. Five years of hardware and five years software / network administration. I have worked in Holland as a technical authority for a European roll out for a WAN network infrastructure that included exchange. As I recall they were very few ZX81’s on the network there.

So, I obviously do not know more than you as I am the one at computeach because of my lack of commercial experience and boasting about what a sweet deal the transcender partnership is for me.

That is why you are employed instead of all the technical staff because of your vast knowledge and I am unemployed with no experience or qualifications.

You stated that you would work for nothing, well guess what?

Next time read the reply to the post before responding and when you do reply use a dictionary or a least a spell checker.

You should have enrolled in an English language course instead.

necrophantasm

2002-08-01, 8:21 am

Alright guys, best to stop now before it gets too vicious. I think you both make a good point. Lexy you are right about the fact that more training aides included in courseware may lower the challenge of an exam and cheapen the certificate. Employers already know that certificates do not guarantee qualification for a job. There are a lot of inexperienced IT staff out there who probably shouldn't even be in the business. One of an employers jobs is to pick out these inexperienced staff and decide whether or not they are worth taking a chance on and if they will be able to get the job done.
However, I personally used transcenders for my exams and found that they did not give me answers to the questions. All they did was allow me to get used to the testing style and the length of those useless scenarios. In that respect, I don't think that such an aid is a bad thing. The types of scenarios Microsoft tends to give on the exams are many times irrelevant to the actual question and try to confuse you with their longevity. If an aid can help you wade through that, why not use it?
I started out in this career like lardie, loving technology and having a thirst for knowledge, but not having the corporate experience to get into the field. Now I am an administrator (making about half of what an administrator should.... if money is really an issue here). The certifications did not earn me big bucks, they just earned me a foot in the door. I think that anyone who gets into this field for money will not last very long because of the amount of time, effort, and energy it takes to get into this field and then stay in it (the learning never stops). People like Lexy have no need to feel threatened, because he has already proven his dedication and skill (lasting 10 years in this field is no small feat) and people like lardie and myself still have to prove to people that we can indeed get the job done and that we are qualified enough to do it. I have been doing this for 3 years now, and I am 22 years old. If you doubt what I say about having to prove yourself daily, trust me, someone my age with my experience level gets a lot of doubtful looks when going out to an unfamiliar business. So Lexy, give people a chance.. half the reason there are so many newbies out there is because the business is only 20 years old. Lardie, if you believe what you say, there is no reason why you can't be successful as long as you take the time and effort to learn and understand your field fully.

lardie

2002-08-02, 2:58 am

quote:
Originally posted by necrophantasm
Alright guys, best to stop now before it gets too vicious. I think you both make a good point. Lexy you are right about the fact that more training aides included in courseware may lower the challenge of an exam and cheapen the certificate. Employers already know that certificates do not guarantee qualification for a job. There are a lot of inexperienced IT staff out there who probably shouldn't even be in the business. One of an employers jobs is to pick out these inexperienced staff and decide whether or not they are worth taking a chance on and if they will be able to get the job done.
However, I personally used transcenders for my exams and found that they did not give me answers to the questions. All they did was allow me to get used to the testing style and the length of those useless scenarios. In that respect, I don't think that such an aid is a bad thing. The types of scenarios Microsoft tends to give on the exams are many times irrelevant to the actual question and try to confuse you with their longevity. If an aid can help you wade through that, why not use it?
I started out in this career like lardie, loving technology and having a thirst for knowledge, but not having the corporate experience to get into the field. Now I am an administrator (making about half of what an administrator should.... if money is really an issue here). The certifications did not earn me big bucks, they just earned me a foot in the door. I think that anyone who gets into this field for money will not last very long because of the amount of time, effort, and energy it takes to get into this field and then stay in it (the learning never stops). People like Lexy have no need to feel threatened, because he has already proven his dedication and skill (lasting 10 years in this field is no small feat) and people like lardie and myself still have to prove to people that we can indeed get the job done and that we are qualified enough to do it. I have been doing this for 3 years now, and I am 22 years old. If you doubt what I say about having to prove yourself daily, trust me, someone my age with my experience level gets a lot of doubtful looks when going out to an unfamiliar business. So Lexy, give people a chance.. half the reason there are so many newbies out there is because the business is only 20 years old. Lardie, if you believe what you say, there is no reason why you can't be successful as long as you take the time and effort to learn and understand your field fully.

Amen to that

And Lexy the only reason I mention the sweetness of the Trancenders deal is because of the COST of these "Training Aids", I don't see how using practice exams makes the exam any easier other than preparing you for the style and type of questions to be faced.

In fact it is a very valid and encouraged method of preparation for Exams as metioned in innumerable posts on this board.

Can all those people be WRONG ?

And regarding the comments about my English I suggest you reread your post, go away and do the same !

And thats my last comment, if I wanted to get into a flame war I'd go to some board filled with kiddies where I could be insulted by proffessionals.

thecomeons

2002-08-02, 4:49 am

i had thought of using computeach, but decided against it for reasons of cost. and the fact that i felt by the time i would take seven exams, the w2k track would be discontiued. LOL. the fact that they now include transcenders with the package is cool though.

i downloaded demos when i was doing a+ exam and thought they were excellent. the fact that they are even better for m$ exams is even better.

irrespective of how you are studying for the exams, i wish you all well.

Sexy Lexy

2002-08-02, 8:26 am

Well Lardie, thank you for the wry smile that your reply provided.

My remarks were directed at the inclusion of transcenders which are used to supplement the course material, thus reducing the challenge of the exams.

You took it upon yourself to “flame” me even though I did not mention you or direct any remarks toward you (See the comment that start with; allegedly.) Do not attack someone unless you are prepared for a reprisal.

The comments were directed at the way the training provides the final certification.

If you would care to reply with the statement Computeach makes regarding positions within the IT industry for certified individuals just to set the record straight.

The hypocrisy of you getting involved in a flame war that you started and then mentioning that the practise exams being provided do not make the final exams any easier is quite amusing.

Transcenders offer a “Pass the exam the first time: money back guarantee” this is stated on the transcender web site (Take a look for yourself to clarify this.) So how can using these products not make the exam easier? This was the entire purpose of your thread, was it not?

Thank you for correcting my English when yours is so astounding, even after you have edited your initial reply.

I guess we can't all be proffessionals as you stated.

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