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MCSE requirements changed?
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| Hi all,
I just noticed that http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/...equirements.asp says that you need any two out of 215, 216 and 217, and any two out of 219, 220, 221 and 226.
I could of sworn that last week it said you need all three of 215, 216 and 217 and only one of either 219, 220, 221 or 226.
The MSPress web site hasn't been updated yet (http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/certification/mcse.asp). Also, the MSPress 'core' training kits still has both 216 and 217 - check out http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/books/4681.asp.
I'm kinda pissed off, 'cause last week I ordered study material for both 216 and 217, and since I have 215 already now I only need one of 216 or 217.
I guess I'm not the only one who wasted money tho, anyone who got 'core requirements' study materials have been suckered now... | |
| necrophantasm 2002-06-30, 8:07 am |
| Looks like yet another case of Microsoft lowering the standards in an attempt to get even more people through the door. Don't get me wrong, the design tests are long... but they were much easier than 216. Well, expect the unexpected! You never know what kind of bs they are going to pull next. So much for keeping a standard though, thats all I have to say. I think they gave up on that a long time ago. Heh | |
| KScheler 2002-06-30, 8:24 am |
| Wouldn't you know it! 1 month after I finished my MCSE they go and change the rules! | |
| Pavlov 2002-06-30, 8:41 am |
| What the ???
So, if I read this right, a person can now become an MCSE WITHOUT having to pass the 216 beast? Interesting move by M$.
Taking 210, 215, 217, 218, 219, 220, and 221, combined with A+/Net+ gets me both MCSA and MCSE? | |
| mir92 2002-06-30, 10:11 am |
| Is the cert going to still be worth something, or wasting my time and money?
For those that did the MCSE.
After putting your time and effert into studing for the MCSE, worth it to you?
Did you learn stuff about the OS, that helped in your job preformence, and if you hadn't taken the MCSE, could or would you have learned or understand the OS, and networking as you do now?
Those how studied for and taken the 216, is it worth skipping or would the know be used? | |
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Originally posted by KScheler
Wouldn't you know it! 1 month after I finished my MCSE they go and change the rules!
Well, if you've already passed your MCSE, they're not gonna revoke it. | |
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Originally posted by Pavlov
What the ???
So, if I read this right, a person can now become an MCSE WITHOUT having to pass the 216 beast? Interesting move by M$.
Taking 210, 215, 217, 218, 219, 220, and 221, combined with A+/Net+ gets me both MCSA and MCSE?
Seems like it.
What I think is really notable though is that this will mess up anybody who has not yet completed all required MCPs - there's bound to be people out there who only needed one more exam, but because of this change need two.
Also, it messes up bookstores and publishers too. Even MSPress hasn't caught up with the news yet, they're still selling the 'core kit' with 210, 215, 216 and 217. | |
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Originally posted by necrophantasm
Looks like yet another case of Microsoft lowering the standards in an attempt to get even more people through the door. Don't get me wrong, the design tests are long... but they were much easier than 216. Well, expect the unexpected! You never know what kind of bs they are going to pull next. So much for keeping a standard though, thats all I have to say. I think they gave up on that a long time ago. Heh
I haven't done the design exams yet (saving those for last), but the 'Skills being measured' look kinda tough for them all. Also, the 70-216 (which I'm studying for now) doesn't look so hard yet...
I don't know if this change is a huge drawback, if it actually makes it easier to pass the MCSE.
The main reason I'm annoyed is that I just ordered a book I don't need anymore. Apart from that, maybe the change isn't so bad. I decided to go for the "Designing Security..." exam, but I kinda wanted the "Designing Highly Available Web Solutions..." exam as well. Now I can pass both & get credit for them. | |
| KScheler 2002-06-30, 2:15 pm |
| mir92:
I feel that what I learned studying for the exams did help me in my job, even what I learned studying for 216. I could have learned the same thing if I wasn't taking the exams but by studying for them it gave me more motivation to learn it. I think the material in 216 is worth it too. 3 weeks ago I was called upon, at work, to install a W2k machine as a router and what I learned studying 216 helped me.
J-Ho:
I'm not sure about the others but I only needed 1 design exam, 219, and it was a piece of cake after preparing for 217. Same concepts, different approach. | |
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Originally posted by KScheler
J-Ho:
I'm not sure about the others but I only needed 1 design exam, 219, and it was a piece of cake after preparing for 217. Same concepts, different approach.
That's cool, I've actually been thinking about taking the 217 as well while I'm at it even if I don't get credit towards the MCSE. I mean, I already paid for the book. I already have the network setup to play around. And my employer is paying the €140 for the exam. And my fianceé is cool with me taking time to study. So why not?
And as you say, there's even a slim chance the skills will come in handy one day :-) | |
| KScheler 2002-06-30, 2:36 pm |
| J-Ho:
I say, "go for it". Even though I don't have to, I'm going to take 218 soon. My employer pays for the tests and being a teacher I get the books free so why not? I'll at least get some more letters behind my name  | |
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Originally posted by KScheler
J-Ho:
I say, "go for it". Even though I don't have to, I'm going to take 218 soon. My employer pays for the tests and being a teacher I get the books free so why not? I'll at least get some more letters behind my name
See, that's what I figger as well. Dunno how exciting 70-217 looks right now though, but I'm sure gonna try for the Exchange and ISA exams if I get a chance... | |
| buckwheat 2002-06-30, 2:57 pm |
| Hmm...well, if I read that new MS requirement correctly I can now skip the 217. I was planning to study the 217 after I finish with 218 which I'm currently studying for. Instead, I'll have to add one extra design exam to my studies. I've passed the 210, 215, and 216 and electives I'm not worried about. Oh well...what else can you do but take the changes in stride. | |
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Originally posted by buckwheat
Hmm...well, if I read that new MS requirement correctly I can now skip the 217. I was planning to study the 217 after I finish with 218 which I'm currently studying for. Instead, I'll have to add one extra design exam to my studies. I've passed the 210, 215, and 216 and electives I'm not worried about. Oh well...what else can you do but take the changes in stride.
That's what I see too - you need to get two out of 215, 216 and 217, so you can choose which one to skip. | |
| necrophantasm 2002-06-30, 4:33 pm |
| The skills I learned studying for my MCSE help everyday. I work in a 100% Microsoft shop, and have had to configure security policies, DNS, VPNs, IIS, and tons of Active Directory. If I hadn't taken the time to study for my MCSE, I don't think I nearly as competent at my job. Even though they continue to lower the standards, the knowledge (if not the paper) is still definitely worth having. I work with 10 year or more SQL vets who have never taken a test (and so have never really picked up a book and learned everything they needed to know... only the stuff they had to) and fixed the problems they couldn't. I attribute that to hard studying. So take that as you will, I still think the certification is worth getting. | |
| secondskin 2002-06-30, 6:34 pm |
| It was a typo.
You still need to do
4 core
1 design
2 electives
216 still lives | |
| psnell 2002-07-01, 3:45 pm |
| I have to agree with secondskin, I don't see the change. Still looks like 4 core, 1 design and 2 electives. | |
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Originally posted by psnell
I have to agree with secondskin, I don't see the change. Still looks like 4 core, 1 design and 2 electives.
Yeah, they changed it back again. |
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