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so I cheat...does it matter?
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| rdean1 2001-11-14, 8:49 pm |
| We all know braindumps are the go....anybody point me to a batch on a server somewhere? | |
| Jarvo 2001-11-15, 11:11 am |
| You are only cheating yourself, my friend.
There are a ton of books on the market why not give one (or more) a read.
It all helps (when/if you actually get a job supporting the o/s) to stop you falling flat on your face.
You know it makes sense. | |
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| vr2zjw 2001-11-16, 7:04 am |
| To me, it doesn't really matter because it is your knowledge and not mine.
What I am worry is those who take it seriously and take it the hard way, reading books, a lot of hand-on practice and the one who take the exams as soon it is out. So to protect my job, please cheat, I am glad to see you cheat. | |
| neuralfx 2001-11-17, 10:15 am |
| well I dont care that much either, except that it really doesnt help what little "recognition" the certs can give you, it just degrades the worth of the cert. but besides that, if you dont really know the material and you just use the braindumps .. well just make sure you know it if/when you get hired, ..
-neural | |
| RobertJ 2001-12-01, 1:47 pm |
| I agree people should really try to learn the material, another thing to consider is to get a four year degree if you really want to set yourself apart. You can have all the certs in the world, but if you don't have your degree, guess who is more likely to get the job. | |
| jdoran 2001-12-01, 5:07 pm |
| It's %$@#$^@'s like you that take the meaning out of the certifications. Ever heard of a paper MCSE? That's all you will ever be. It's no wonder companies can no longer look at a cert and say 'Hey, this guy knows his stuff..'
Good luck...you're going to need it. | |
| wbafrank 2001-12-01, 5:21 pm |
|  Webmaster can you not bin this bloke. We don't want his sort! Shows what he knows he can't even do a basic search using keywords.
Lets keep this site braindump free. Especially after paying over £4000 for books training and exam fees.
Who needs these people? | |
| PotatoHead 2001-12-01, 5:24 pm |
| it seems to me like everybody is getting pissed off at this guy being immature calling him names - you all are the ones that need to grow up - if the guy wants to cheat let him cheat - he'll figure out the hard way that he shouldnt have taken the tests that way. Like vr2zjw said "please cheat" everybody knows he want get a good job if he dont have knowledge - it just pisses me off for people to be immature and call names for something that has nothing to do with you.
For AndyC - why does he have to leave this site alone? | |
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| Is that Potato Head or Mr Potato Head?...when I first started out studying for certs, this site was the prime one that I used for info and all round decent Tech speak, now however it is turning into nothing more than a 'dumping ground' if you'll pardon the pun.
Why should this guy get away with it anyway? As an employer it pains me to see so many people with MC-this and CCN-that who couldn't even tell you what MCSE stood for or identify the differences between a 2500 series Router and a 3Com 3300 Switch! | |
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Originally posted by AndyC
As an employer it pains me to see so many people with MC-this and CCN-that who couldn't even tell you what MCSE stood for or identify the differences between a 2500 series Router and a 3Com 3300 Switch!
Let alone be able to understand the differences between a routing switch and a switching router.
I thought MCSE stood for Minesweeper Consultant Solitaire Expert.
Sorry guys...couldn't resist.  | |
| AndyC 2001-12-03, 10:22 am |
| ...Or My Computer Software's Exploded | |
| PotatoHead 2001-12-03, 1:19 pm |
| yes i agree it saddens me that people cheat and get away with it but like i said earlier- he'll get in return what he deserves when job-calling comes
BTW, you can all me Mr. PotatoHead | |
| nickleteney 2001-12-07, 3:58 am |
| I don't know how anyone can attempt to justfy those that just cram the cheatsheets. (a) you need ZERO knowledge to be able to go that route, you just need a very good short term knowledge. (b) If you can get a certification with zero knowledge, how is a prospective employer to know whether the candidate is real or a a cheat. It used to be that if you were an MCSE it commanded respect. Nowadays it is an entry level qualification. I have seen contract positions requiring MCSE and CCNA for 18 pounds an hour for first line support staff.
Having worked through to MCSE the hard way, it is hard to read some people complaining that they need to pay for some cheatsheet websites. Poor Baby!!! Cheatsheet kiddies should be treated with the level of respect that their "qualification" deserves. | |
| Hootie 2001-12-07, 7:09 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by nickleteney
I don't know how anyone can attempt to justfy those that just cram the cheatsheets. (a) you need ZERO knowledge to be able to go that route, you just need a very good short term knowledge.
Some use cheats as a final check against the material they studied and labs they used. Some use it to know what phrasing and language Microsoft will be using.
(b) If you can get a certification with zero knowledge, how is a prospective employer to know whether the candidate is real or a a cheat.
If I can not tell that someone is faking in the first couple of minutes in an interview, then you should get the job. The interview is used to find a match for a given position. If you "get over" in the initial interview you will not keep your job. Don't your technical people interview potentisl employees? How would these "fakes" keep their jobs?
It used to be that if you were an MCSE it commanded respect. Nowadays it is an entry level qualification. I have seen contract positions requiring MCSE and CCNA for 18 pounds an hour for first line support staff.
I have seen a bunch of letters in the paper followed by whatever pay. Look for yourself. PBHW, MCSE, must know desktop publishing, $11.00/hr. I think those are agencies casting a net.
I have seen no study or other dependable information which supports the idea that cheaters have brought down the value of any certification.
I think it is a numbers game. The money was rediculous on the positive side. Go to vocational/technical for a year and make X dollars? That was when you couldn't find anyone to do the job. The market was flooded. Then the dot bomb left us with many fewer positions to fill. --Market forces.
Microsoft is deeply invested in driving down the value of the cert, too. The new MCSA is going to be the tear. They're going after a cheap cost of ownership for a competitive edge. Why hire an expensive MCSE when you can hire an MCSA for much less money. Why use another OS when MSoft's cost of ownership is so low.
Having worked through to MCSE the hard way, it is hard to read some people complaining that they need to pay for some cheatsheet websites.
I do understand the sentiment.
Poor Baby!!! Cheatsheet kiddies should be treated with the level of respect that their "qualification" deserves.
And name calling indicates one is a mature individual with advanced mental capacities who can manage the complexities of life? Does name calling command respect? Does it add value to anything? Does it work for any, but the self serving?[/B]
I am not really responding to this post, but using it to air out some thoughts. | |
| csiszerd 2001-12-07, 10:33 pm |
| I hate those guys who work with you and they ask you how to do every little thing.
Like they don't know how to do their job.... | |
| csiszerd 2001-12-07, 10:39 pm |
| Here's a braindump
Your WAN Network has three sites connected with three T1 links. Your boss ask you to get a cup of coffee.
Required results:
The coffee must be hot
Desired Results:
The boss should also get a Rice Crispy Bar
The coffee should have cream and sugar.
You get the boss black coffee and a Snickers Bar.
A. This meets the demands of both the required and desired results
B. This meets the demands of the required and one of the desired results
C. This is required but not desired and makes you tired.
D. You spit in his coffee and get fired. | |
| Hootie 2001-12-07, 11:39 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by csiszerd
I hate those guys who work with you and they ask you how to do every little thing.
Like they don't know how to do their job....
The above seems a lot more honest to me than many of the posts I have read.
I have looked over bd's etc., but did not use them. In part, because I enjoyed learning for the exams. I have worked for the same company for 5 years. I got certified because I wanted to and for a career change I anticipate happening in the near future.
The last guy we hired who did not know his job lasted six hours.
I am not a proponent of bd's, but find many of the reactive posts objectionable. You know, the standard name calling and the old "let's say you went to your doctor and he had cheated on exams...". We are not doctors. Doctors do cheat, generally speaking.
I would like to see a deep exploration of ethics. The subject demands more than what is usually discussed. Perhaps a BB is not the place.
I do not claim to have an answer, but I think living ethically is so appealing and the rewards are so great that a compelling arguement might be made to promote ethics rather than a do it the right way or else mentality. | |
| wbafrank 2001-12-07, 11:59 pm |
|  I have read the numerous posts to this question and am in little doubt that people don't like cheats!
After studying for an exam using books and official study aids and the prices we have to pay you can see why some people actually do it the easy way.
When doing a job and I find I can't do it or for some reason have never come across it before what do I do? Yes I pick up the manual and find the solution.
Do people who pass their exams and come across the same problem in the real world get out their cheat sheet or visit a braindump for the answer? I don't think so!!
If employees want the genuine article they could always make potential employees take an exam prior to the interview stage. This may weed out individuals who have taken the shortcut to success! Who knows?
Just a thought | |
| mcp_mcse 2001-12-08, 6:51 am |
| MS has a different theroy for their exams. Infact, i can bet that even their professionals will not be able to answer all questions on the exams without a doubt in their mind. So, if you cheat a bit and know whats going to be on your actual exam, you can actually analyze these questions and get a better idea about your skills before you go for it.
Luv n Luck
Jack | |
| csiszerd 2001-12-08, 7:22 am |
| Some people still might argue the ethics but that is an interesting point.
If you knew the subject forwards and backwards and used braindumps would you be a paper MCSE?
If not how do you keep people who don't know anything from getting through? | |
| Hootie 2001-12-08, 8:15 am |
| What is an acceptable level of cheating?
What does "cheat a bit" mean? | |
| mkrishna2k 2001-12-12, 1:06 am |
| hello friend
by cheating the exam u may complete it.
but r u sure that you can get a job without
proper knowledge in windows2000.
my sincere advise is go through proper books
and improve your knowledge first. |
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