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| I have already taken and passed the Wrkstn 4 exam. Would the best approach to MCSE certification now be to take Server 4 and Server 4 in the Enterprise and then try to take the accellerated exam being offered to jump to the 2000 track?
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| According to Microsoft, the new accelerated win2000 exam will be only available once, and there will not be any beta exam.
In other words, if you fail it, you will not be able to retake it and will have to take all core Win2000 MCSE exams.
Check this out: http://www.microsoft.com/mcp/exam/stat/SP70-240.htm
So, there is a good chance that you will have to take all 4 core W2K exams.
I would just hold on and wait for the new exams.
But, if you already passed a few MCP exams, I think you should go ahead and finish your MCSE NT4.0 track now.
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| XFactor 2000-02-28, 7:12 pm |
| Do yourself a favor don't waiste the time studing for anything other then the 2000 exams. Look at it this way you are still going to have to learn and now alll the material in the all the core requirements for Windows 2000 which means you will have to know close to 3600 pages of information if you study from the Microsoft press books. all that for one test sounds like way too much if you ask me. From what i hear the other post was correct also it a one chance thing if you fail your done then you need to go through it all anyway. | |
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| Lisa,
The fact that NT 4 exams are to be retired at the end of this year should spur you on to finish the NT 4 MCSE. I have seen that even though MS will be pushing it as the next solution or whatever a lot of companies will still be using NT 4 (and I mean large Enterprise networks and the such).
I personally believe that the Windows 2000 track won't be necessary for a year or two, so you're better of getting the NT 4 certification and then maybe something like the CCNA or perhaps a bit of UNIX/LINUX (This type of spread in skills is very much sought after).
Cheers Bigears,
MAx | |
| jbelina 2000-03-01, 3:20 pm |
| I would have to agree with Mars... I think that getting the NT4 Track done now is a good idea. My reasoning is that the information you learn studying for the NT Server/Enterprise exams will be helpful if you ever have to work on an NT4 server, and there is lots of FREE study material out there for NT4.
Hope this helps!
Jeff M. Belina
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| I too must agree with mars...
Windows 2000 may be the next big thing (in little Billy's head) but lots of companies are probably going to stick with the proven technology of Win NT. I just finished off my MCSE and was faced with your same dilema a few months ago...I choose to push on with the NT 4 track. Plus I didn't like the thought of waiting till July 2000 to start writting Win2K exams!
Anyway,
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Matt LeBlanc, MCSE, MCP+Internet
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| richard medel 2000-03-17, 6:31 pm |
| Hello Girlgeek.
I am a current MCT (Microsoft Certified Trainer).
I am closely associated with several people who write MCSE books. My suggestion is to take NT40 Workstation, NT40 Server, NT40 Enterprise and TCP/IP. You will need all the TCP/IP you can get. Then jump into the 2000 Track.
I am currently going for my 2000 MCT and have been taking classes from one of only few NT2000 Certified Trainers. He also agrees with this strategy. Good Luck.
If you would like to contact me, you may at
Rmedel@atlantictechnologycente
r.com
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| Hi Richard,
I am thinking of taking MCSE in about 2 months from now. So would it be still best to finish WKT 4.0, server 4.0 and enterprise 4.0 then take the accelerated 2k exam and finish the rest... | |
| AceMan 2000-03-27, 7:28 pm |
| Hey there GirlGeek...
I am one test away from my MCSE.. I took the tests in this order:
WinNT 4.0 Workstation
WinNT 4.0 Server
WinNT 4.0 Enterprise
Networking Essentials
TCP/IP
IIS 4.0 (pending)
This has worked best for me... I would strongly advise holding off on TCP/IP until close to last... Networking Essentials has important info for both IIS and TCP/IP | |
| MichaelPhelan 2000-04-06, 1:35 am |
| I have decided to finish my MCSE also this year. I'm done with all my core but haven't done any electives yet? I was planning TCP/IP and IIS but they are being retired this year, I was also planning on taking the accelerated exam next year. My questions are; what electives would an experienced test taker recommend at this point? and is Transcenders planning a release of practice questions for the accelerated exam? | |
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| Hello to mars, girlgeek, and Rmedel,
I plan on starting classes for net- essentials, and NT workstation on May 13th
with a goal to have my MCSE by 01/01
Other than that I will have no formal training.With only an MCSE will I be able to find a decent paying job in the I.T. field?
I do plan on continuing my education after that,(CCNA,MCSE+I) but I need to profit from my MCSE cert. so I can fund more schooling.
I would appreciate any advice of any kind--
please contact me ---cap0319@yahoo.com | |
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| Get your MCSE in NT4, there are tons of places that will not be moving to W2K because of compatibility issues. Don't think of corporations as only depending on Microsoft. There are many large applications and server software out there that these companies are dependant upon. I work for a medical center, we have 50+ NT4 servers and 50+ Novell servers, and mix in a couple AS400's. Now NT4 and Novell 5 are working great together. W2K seems to upset NW5, but we depend on NW5 because of apps written specifically for the NW platform. So we for one, can't go to W2K yet. That may be years down the road. So if you were to apply here with an MCSE in W2K, is that going to be an advantage? I think not. Get the 4.0 cert, it will serve you well for years to come. | |
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| Go for NT4 then do the 2000 electives first and then have a go for the upgrade exam. Thats what i'm doing.
Gonna try and do a few 2000 electives and use for nt if possible.
DOA
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| After I passed the 4 core subjects, I took
IE4 IKEA and Proxy Server 2 instead.
If I fail the win 2k accelerated exam which you get only one chance to pass, I don't have to re-take ALL 7 exams from scratch but only 5.
By the way, IE4 IKEA and Proxy Server 2 are NOT difficult subject to pass. I only used Exam Cram and brian dumps each subject studied about 2 weeks and I have NO IT experience.
However, I only got MCSE without the MCP+I
certification. If you take TCPIP and IIS4, you will get both. I have taken these 2 subjects in my training course though. Now
I decide to go for the iNet+ certification instead of the MCP+I
Litte John, MCSE CCNA | |
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| Actually i think it depends on what you really want and what you are doing currently: if you really want to be a Guru, and know your stuff, challenge yourself and finish the 4.0 track, and as Marz said, maybe a year or two. But if you only want to be known as one of the first ..... 2000 track holders and still have to ork hard because of a shakey foundation ...
Ladi Jagun
MCP, Nigeria
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| I agree with DOA finish the NT 4 core exams and then do some electives that will go with either track NT4 or 2000 a lot of major companies are going to wait and see how WIN 2000 performs before they jump on the band wagaon, so the MCSE for NT 4 will make you employable now and worry about 2000 later. My two cents worth | |
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| Hi all. Just had to add my 2 cents worth here.
I am an MCP (Server, Workstation and NT Enterprise in the NT 4.0 track. I have also completed TCP/IP and will be completing IIS 4 tomorrow (I hope), Net Essentials by friday). The ITP group I was in discussed this at length during the courses, the conclusion we came to was this:
-IF- you have already begun your NT 4.0 track and have completed 2-3 of these exams already, then complete your NT 4.0 track and then start learning the Win2K upgrade exam (70-240). As electives, take IIS 4 and Net Essentials (If you can, take either Proxy Server or Exchange server, I recommend Proxy server).
The reason for this is simple: By completing your MCSE on the NT 4.0 track (before the retirements), you have a valid MCSE (or MCSE+I if you do Proxy or exchange as well). Most companies will not be going to the Win2K platform for at least another year, probably 2. There are the issues of hardware requirements to run the Win2K platform and upgrading hardware is $$$$$ when you start talking about medium to large sized networks (IE: a 100 machine network could cost a minimum of $200 000 just for hardware, then you have to add the software...). A lot of companies aren't prepared to throw that much into upgrading an entire network just for the latest gadget on the market (There are of course compatibility issues to work out as well).
Now, if you can complete the Upgrade exam (70-240) successfully, then you have your Win2K MCSE (Potentially with Inet) and NT 4.0 Competency (Sounds good like that... hehe) in the least amount of exams possible. You have nothing to lose by going this route providing you're already well into your NT 4.0 track.
Doing it this way means it's 8 exams to a Win2K MCSE+I and you're one of the first ones out there.
On the other hand, -IF- you are just starting your MCSE track, then you might as well go Win2K all the way. By the time you complete your track, most of the NT 4.0 track will have been retired already or will be shortly.
SHalbert, MCP.
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| i realize this reply may be too late for you, girlgeek, but hopefully it will assist others... as someone who makes a living dealing directly with corporate clients and providing training services to their IS staff, i can tell you that the need is there for people qualified to administer NT networks, not 2000... and in terms of strategic planning, win2k is looked at as a project that "could develop in the distant future"...
i strongly recommend taking NT courses for as long as possible, and i agree with richard, in that tcp/ip, enterprise, server, and workstation are extremely important courses to have onside...
as for electives, i would suggest picking up something like designing sql servers or exchange server... they're not going to expire, and they're in high demand...
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