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Whats's hard about Windows 2000?
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| Ok people I have a question for all you 2000 officiendos out there.
"What is hard about Windows 2000?"
Before you flood this forum let me explain, The question is based around the concept that even a chimp can install MS Win2K products under these conditions:
1. Hardware is Win2k Compatible i.e. on the HCl
2. You provide them with the requisite names for AD Services, Computer names...etc..
3. Create both RIS & Duplication scripts for them to build other servers or desktops, oh and the Unattend.txt milarky as well.
4. Develop a user/Advanced User and Support intranet site on IIS to help all these users get the most from this product.
Ok, sounds simple enough yes.
Well I would say if you have come from a Novell/NT4 background there are very few new concepts here only the location of the tools used to set all this up.
Do you agree or not?
So "What exactly is hard about Windows 2000?"
Yeti 
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Yeti-GBR1
email: Yeti@zerg.com
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| I agree in theory.
I'd say the only thing that makes W2K hard for people is the same thing that makes NT4 hard for people: Going for the 'paper' without the experience of using the OS. If the only challenge for an NT4 MCSE is learning about the new/modified features (AD, RRAS, EFS, quotas, MMC, etc.) then it isn't hard. If NT4 features (NTFS/shared permissions, IP addressing, users/groups, PDC/BDC relationship, replication, etc.) are difficult now, it only gets harder for these 'paper' people.
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cadman
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| Thank's cadman,
I quote, "Going for the 'paper' without the experience of using the OS. If the only challenge for an NT4 MCSE is learning about the new/modified features (AD, RRAS, EFS, quotas, MMC, etc.) then it isn't hard. If NT4 features (NTFS/shared permissions, IP addressing, users/groups, PDC/BDC relationship, replication, etc.) are difficult now, it only gets harder for these 'paper' people."
I agree with you on the "Paper people" but I disagree on the NT4. My reasoning is that it's all about mind sets, Win2K has only changed the "ways you do things" not the "concepts or principles."
If the bonnet of 2K is opened then most of the features of NT4 are there only "TWEAKED" and the new GUI front end has most ppl in a panic thinking " Oh my god what the F@~# is this all about!" would you agree?
BTW I noticed your an MCT (Good on you mate I'm a wannabe one)
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Yeti-GBR1
MCNE MCP SCO ACE LCD Compaq ASE (Wannabe CCIE)
email: Yeti@zerg.com
http://www.mcse2000.plus.com
Yes I'm a Blizzard Brood War Veteran.
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| Yeti-GBR1,
I think we may be saying the same thing, but in different ways, probably that ocean thing.
I agree about mind sets. But my point was that it is easier for an NT4 'user' to upgrade to W2K than for an NT4 'paper person' to upgrade to W2K.
An example is teaching universal groups. It is in addition to global and local groups (now called domain local groups). If the concept of GGs and LGs is easy, than throwing in UGs on top of GGs and DLGs is easy. If you memorized enough about GGs and LGs to pass an NT4 exam but haven't done it, it makes the addition of UGs that much more confusing. Throw in the fact that UGs are available in native mode, but not in mixed mode.
On the mind set thing, first time I looked at W2K Server, I said, "WOW, they moved everything!" Then I went looking for it.
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| Dammn this across the sea thing, never even crossed my mind.
Please forgive me, I'm stupid
Oh and we are trying to say the same thing.
BTW I use the KIS(Keep it Simple) or KISFTSP
(Keep It Simple For The Stupid People)
No offence as it s teaching term from the millitary
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| Now slow down, I didn't mean to imply you were stupid. I was confused about 'the bonnet of 2k' until I caught myself scratching my head and it came to me.
Are you currently working on W2K studies? I noticed you're working of CCIE. How is that coming?
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cadman
A+, Network+, I-net+, MCP, MCSE, MCT | |
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| No No No, You miss understand me (no offence taken I was being honest when I said I was stupid) I'm very good at tech things and managing I'm crap at putting it in to typed words that's all.
As for the CCIE I'm still wrestling with the concept of sleepless nights and getting the Cisco trainning kit, as well as doing Proxy & exchange not to mention MS SQL ( Yes I'm bonkers )
If you have any advice for me please share it. Sarcastic or not as the case may be.
Otherwise the CCIE ain't happening at the mo. As for the Win2K stuff I was untill I re-read what thew criteria was and I've now decided to hit the electives since I have till 31-12-2001 to use the 70-240 voucher (MS sent me two the fools)
Thanks for asking.
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| I would have to say that you border on the edge of insanity. Go get 'em, Yeti.
I'm currently working on upgrading to W2K. I've taken the 70-210 exam and will take 70-215 next week. I decided I could relate better to students if I took each exam rather that the 70-240. I make take the 70-215 and the 70-216 and then use my 70-240 voucher...
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| Guys,
First of all I must stated I am not a 2000 officiando ... as I am in the process of studying for 70-240. I will state that I am not a paper MCSE as I have been in the networking field for 7 years.
Now to Yeti's question "What is hard about W2K?".
Speaking from an NT4 MCSE point it seems to me that just as Cadman pointed out, just understanding where MS decided to move things, what commands and associated options have been added, new utils (or renamed utils i.e System Monitor and ofcourse a thorough understanding AD, etc... etc ....
Grant it that some of these obviously may be more in depth than others but taking the time to study , practice and work with should prove to beneficial
IMHO: I think MS didn't intend to make becoming a W2K MCSE harder as far as learning actual system administration, utils, new features and commands go. I do think they have made the testing process better to cut down on Paper MCSE's as the tests reveal that you need to be able to DO (perform tasks), and not just remember a braindump.
I can remember when I first was going for my NT4 MCSE before I tackled the tests I would think damn, Enterprise is going to be hard, TCP/IP is going to be difficult and so on.
But once I started studying and practicing I realized that you do get out what you put in.
Good luck everyone.
Manny M
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| Fellow Technical Boffins(Boffin(s) = very Very Clever People),
As you may have guessed by now I'm BONKERS, nothing new in that I hear you cry (as this tends to happen to people of our ilk). Ok what I wanted to say is....
If we have till 31-12-2001 (assuming you have the three core NT4 exams that is) to get our 70-240 exam why in gods name are we breaking our nuts off to get this exam NOW?
Yeti
P.S. cadman I'll translate for you:
Bonnet = Hud
Boot = Trunk
Boffin(s) = see top of note. | |
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| Thanks for the clarification. What's a Hud?  | |
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| errrr ooops may be it should have been:
Hood = Bonnet | |
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| Cardman, I hope I'm wrong, but as I have it, you can either take the 7 exams or the 70-240, but not both. I was thinking of doing the same thing than you... As I said, I'm hope I'm wrong on this! I'm also a MCT and would like to relate to the students.
Thabu
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| thabu,
The deal is:
You can take the 70-240 (as long as you qualify) anytime (by 1/1/2001) as long as you have not taken ALL four core exams (210, 215, 216, and 217). You can take up to three of the core exams and then take the 240. If you take the 240 and pass, you can NOT take any of the four core exams. Since you are an MCT go to the secured MCT site and check out the info there.
Remember, 240 replaces the requirement of the four core, not the seven required for MCSE. You still need one designing core (219, 220, or 221) and two good electives.
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cadman
A+, Network+, i-Net+, MCP, MCSE, MCT | |
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|  OOPS
I meant 1/1/2002!
Please forgive me.
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cadman
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