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| Wilbur 2005-10-09, 12:33 am |
| Since you seem to be the only one that posts intelligent answers to questions I thought I would share with you what I found out doing my research for my recert on CCNA.
If you are doing a Recert you only have to take the ICND test. Cisco assumes if you had it before you should know the intro stuff so that is good news.
The weight of the exam is on the sims questions. Which really is annoying.
DO NOT abbreviate the commands in the sim. If I am wrong you loose nothing If I am right it will mean the difference between the pass and fail. No sh run type out the whole command.
when I tested in 2001 for the CCNA there was no sims so I am not looking forward to it.
I am someone who posted back in the day with Freak, Yeti, Someguy and those folks. Back then you could ask a question and get real answers instead of spam and the like I have seen out here. It is a shame but when a site gets this big it happens. But I would like to encourage you to keep up the good work. Also check out Icertify.net sometime thats where the most of the older folk have migrated to. | |
| smrkdown 2005-10-09, 2:31 pm |
| The sims aren't bad, and they are weighted fairly heavily. You can use abbreviated commands, but like you said, it's better safe than sorry. And yes, this site is crap anymore. I rarely even visit anymore. | |
| johnaspen 2005-10-10, 9:36 am |
| Happy Monday guys,
Examnotes Cisco area is definitely inundated with SPAM and few posters at the moment. Like yourself though, this place really helped me when I was starting off in the certification world so I'm sticking it out. New threads are also getting 50+ reads in one day (this one's at 57), so we still have an audience.
There have always been a lot of rumors floating around about sims. The most common one is that you have to copy run start (which is an abbreviation as well) in order to get any points on the sim. This isn't true, and abbreviations are also fine since they score you based on the final running config. I scored a 975 on the CCNA without copy run start and using abbreviations on every command. I did the same thing on my first CCNP exam last week with a 940 score. I know I missed a bunch of questions on that test, but nailed the sims, so the heavy sim weighting helped me in that case.
So when's your renewal due date? I bet you'll be able to zip through this fairly quickly. Food for thought on the full test instead of ICND: a lot of people fail the ICND compared with the # of people that fail the full test. INTRO questions are generally much easier so it's actually nice to get some of those by taking the combined test. I honestly don't know which way I'd go myself right now if I had to recertify. Tough call. | |
| JPaper007 2005-10-11, 12:26 pm |
| I have to agree that the forum has taken a downward spiral lately. I used this forum when I got my CCNA in 2001, and also for my MS certs. Now I am taking my CCNA again because I let it expire and would really like to see this forum back at a level it once was, and could be again. The forum moderators really should be more on top of the SPAM and Brain Dump posts. I do not mean to bash or degrade the moderators by any means as I am sure that they want this forum to succeed as much as we do. But maybe they have too much going on and can not devote the time or effort needed to regulate the SPAM and Brain dump posts as they used too.
With that being said I would like to nominate "johnaspen" as one of the CCNA form moderators. I am not sure what the procedure is for this. Do I/We need to email the webmaster of the site, write a letter to Congress, or just wish upon a star?
Well back to studying, I want to get this cert knocked out by the end of the month.
Jason | |
| johnaspen 2005-10-11, 5:58 pm |
| Checking on the moderator situation.....
Sexy Lexy was doing a great job but has been MIA since Aug 22nd. The other 2 listed moderators for the CCNA forum haven't posted for over 3 years.
Thanks for the nomination by the way. The CCNP section could use help as well and I'm more than willing to step in. I'm sure you've noticed that I'm not a big fan of all the spammers getting away with free advertising. They should all be paying Dmitri (site owner) for legitiate ad space.
JPaper007 - Since your CCNA lapsed and you'll have to take the full test (which isn't a big deal), have decided on taking the combo or doing INTRO/ICND separately? | |
| JPaper007 2005-10-12, 11:19 am |
| Going for the 640-801 Combo. Actually I have taken it twice already. First time after the company sent me to a class. Had everything down pat or at least I thought I did until a NAT Sim hit me on the exam. I used the 5th Edition Sybex book which only has 1 paragraph on NAT and nothing about how to configure it. The second time I missed it by 1 or 2 questions. I think I rushed it a little on that one because I was worried about time. I had almost run out of time on my first exam because I took to long trying to hash out the NAT sim.
This time is it. I got my Sybex book, CCNA Cert Sim, Cisco Press CCNA flash cards, and Transenders. Also my lab with 2x 2501's, 2509, 1605R, and Catalyst 2950. I have been working with Cisco equipment since 1998 but this exam is tough. I know CCIE's who have taken the new CCNA test just to see what they are covering and they have failed it on there first attempt.
Best of luck with you on becoming a moderator for this forum and the CCNP forum. Sexy Lexi has done a great job in the past with this forum I just wish she was around more to get it back in shape. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help out.
Jason | |
| Wilbur 2005-10-13, 10:36 am |
| well after reading your replies I went back and checked and I have to take both the intro and the ICND. Crap. I let the silly thing expire last year and now I get stuck with both.
As far as the moderator of the forum goes send a note to Dimitri (webmaster) and let him know what has been happening. I agree
johnaspen would be a great choice.
This site helped me through nearly all of my certs so I really want to see the resource kept up to snuff. | |
| johnaspen 2005-10-13, 11:51 am |
| Doh!? Oh well. I'm assuming you're going to just take the 640-801 combo then since your CCNA also expired and you already have a good base. There's been a lot of discussion on taking the INTRO/ICND compared to just taking the combo, and most would agree that the single test route is prefered for this particular test.
Just to sum it up if you haven't read any debates: normally two tests sound easier than one since you can focus on less material. Generally most 2-test route takers breeze through the INTRO test (full of easy questions), and then get killed on the ICND (full of hard questions) and wish they would have just taken the combo. By taking the combo test you're going to get hit with a mix of easy and difficult questions, so statistically you do have a better chance of passing. INTRO and ICND also have a lot of crossover. The separate Cisco Press books have chapters that are exact duplicates between the two.
That's of course my highly opinionated view on the discussion  . Someone else that took the two test route might be able to chime in here..... | |
| zxmjkxz 2005-11-08, 5:48 am |
| bump | |
| donaldmc 2005-11-08, 8:19 am |
| My cert expires in June. I'm taking the combined 801, I never understood the reason they seperated it anyway. After that I'm going to start studying for a TICSA. Then I don't know if I realy what to go down the path of CCNP. I've tried to go down the path before and got bored or distracted. | |
| davidbec 2005-11-08, 11:34 am |
| Hi all
As you can see from my other thread I am one that is plannign on taking the 2-step route to the CCNA.
Perhaps I was misled, but isn't there a difference in the style of question you get in the ICND and the different options you get as possible answers.
Aren't the simulations easier? I failed the CCNA twice and it only had one OSPF SIM in it both times. Someone somewhere said the ICND SIM ask you to configure interfaces and other things of low difficulty.
I read that the questions in the CCNA require you to merge what you know of the INTRO and the ICND to answer a single question. Whereas the ICND questions only require you to know what you would have learnt from the ICND books.
Having done the 801 exam the questions seem to be very advanced. They seem to require you to have a great deal of knowledge about routers that you would only get if you memorize the book.
What do you guys think? Any of you done the ICND? Or know some one who has?
Is the CCNA easier because your logic says it should be or because you know it is? | |
| donaldmc 2005-11-08, 11:56 am |
| Why take 2 when you can take one. I prefer not to make it any harder then it shold be. They are tesing you over the same knowledge. | |
| zxmjkxz 2005-11-09, 4:15 am |
| I went the 2 test route in case I flunked one, I wouldnt have to study as much stuff over again. Plus you dont have to remember sa much for one test, although it is a good idea. I dont know if thats the best way to do it, but thats what i did and why I did it. | |
| Detectorist 2005-11-10, 11:14 pm |
| I was registered way back in 2000 and it seems that the forums today are mostly spam. Sad.
John | |
| davidbec 2005-11-11, 5:28 am |
| Detectorist, and what is worst is your contribution to it, by the very mention of it in a legitimate thread. And them for me to feel the strong urge to respond to you.
Anyway. No one has yet said what we all need to hear. oops I mean read.
Is the CCNA easier because we know it is or because we think it should be since the exam is a mix of easy and hard questions?
Is the INTRO/ICND easier because the ICND ask more simple but yet hard questions than the advanced hard questions in the CCNA.
We need some one who has done both the CCNA exam as well as the INTRO/ICND exams. | |
| Detectorist 2005-11-12, 4:03 pm |
| I'm taking the -801. Why you say?
It's a given by those who have taken both that the Introduction exam is fairly easy.
Now, many of those Introduction questions have to be on the 801 test so I'll take the extra points.
By definition, if the easy stuff is on the Introduction test, where are the tough ones going to be?
Detectorist
MCSE, CCNA | |
| davidbec 2005-11-12, 6:42 pm |
| Suppose they don't ask the same questions. Same material. But suppose the qusetions are worded differently, or they ask for different things.
Isn't it possible that it could be easier? | |
| johnaspen 2005-11-13, 9:42 pm |
| I talked to an instructer at a Cisco Acad the day after he took the INTRO. He had some of the exact same questions I had from the full test (taken a couple months prior). It also seemed like he got beat up more on specific topics (like CDP, although that is an easy topic).
Overall, from the word on the street, this forum, Cisco's forum, and others, satisfaction with going the 2 test route is much lower than the 1 test route. What works best for most though doesn't mean that's what works best for everyone.
Detectorist - Update your profile dude! You should be proudly displaying those certs automatically with every post. | |
| johnaspen 2005-11-13, 9:46 pm |
| David - Just noticed you're a CCDA; what was your general opinion on that baby? Haven't seen too many CCDA's roaming around the boards. | |
| davidbec 2005-11-14, 5:57 am |
| It's pretty much like all Cisco exams. REAL HARD!!.
It's a book dump basically. Read and remember. It's harder than CCNA cause there is nothing to learn. ie. You can't understand the concepts and then apply them.
The questions are tricky as usual.
I failed it twice before passing. |
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