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| Just Visiting 2004-07-16, 4:58 am |
| Wow what has this place turned into? You used to be able to come here and ask or answer technical questions for the benefit of all. Now all you see is forbesl picking fights and that other guy accusing everyone of NDA violations in every other post. At least forbesl has the techinical ability to answer questions when he chooses, that other guy I'm not so sure.
Let's just get back to technical posts, please.
-JV | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 6:15 am |
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Originally posted by Just Visiting
Now all you see is forbesl picking fights and that other guy accusing everyone of NDA violations in every other post. -JV
I don't start threads/pick fights like that, or throw the first blow. People open the door to my replies by complaining about Lexy's style in moderating this forum and also posting questions from brain-dumps or those with answers easily found by themselves through a little effort on their part.
As a rule, I generally don't spoon-feed answers to people (I will freely admit I have done that at times, though). I will tell them where they can find the info and let them do their own research (this applies mostly to easy-to-find questions). I don't answer questions just to make myself feel or look important to this forum or to place myself in some kind of "forum god" status like some members of this forum.
I tell it like I see it. If that pisses people off, quite frankly I don't care. It's just a friggin' forum and no one here has any control whatsoever of my life, family, or livelihood.
As for "that other guy", he's the forum moderator. It's his forum and he can moderate as he sees fit.
This should be a forum for people with a little bit of initiative, common sense, and drive. It should be for self-starters; people who genuinely want to learn the material and not just "pass an exam" that they think will land them a high-paying IT job. Lexy is trying to keep out the brain-dumpers and free loaders. After a while, they will eventually get the message and stay away. I believe this forum can then become what it should be; a respectable place for exchange of information dealing with CCNA and not a haven for brain-dumpers and those who are too lazy to take the initiative to first find answers for themselves.
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| Just Visiting 2004-07-16, 8:18 am |
| You should not say the forum can become what it should be, you should say "what it used to be".
To assume someone has not spent time trying to figure out a technical issue prior to asking a question is not fair. I shall grant you I have seen what I considered pretty silly questions, but on the other hand there have been many times I have read multiple sources on a subject and for one reason or another it just wasn't able to grasp it and I would have to turn to a peer to get another explanation.
When I see a post that I consider to be a lazy question or too many questions, I shall just ignore it, but the intent of the forum is to help people at least that was the way it used to be.
-JV | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 8:57 am |
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Originally posted by Just Visiting
To assume someone has not spent time trying to figure out a technical issue prior to asking a question is not fair. -JV
I don't disagree with that; however, many times I can look at the question and tell right away how much time has been spent researching it. If I can do a search on google or cisco.com and find the answer within 15 minutes, that tells me the individual did not bother with trying to find the answer for himself/herself.
Many times, I'll just slap a link to the answer in a post. Other times....well, I've got to openly question the research abilities and motives of the poster. That's just how I am, and will probably continue to be. | |
| repentantvoter 2004-07-16, 10:25 am |
| By your logic, Mr. forbesl, this discussion forum (rather discussion forums in general) are perfectly useless, since every single question could get its answer with a Google search or some reading. It seems to me you fail to grasp the very essence of a discussion forum, a place where people get together to discuss things. Sure, links to the Cisco site are instructive, but they are no replacement for debate. By the same token, it seems that some members' answers and wilingness to participate in discussions bothers you a lot, the argument being that those members "show off", or aspire to "forum god status". At the same time the great majority are "braindumpers" and "free-loaders". That makes me think (not that you would "give a rat's XXX" on what I think) that you're spending your time in a place where you shouldn't be...
Oh well... "Telling it like I see it." (Shouldn't that be "telling it as I see it"?!) | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 10:29 am |
| How you doin' Danny-boy? LOL | |
| repentantvoter 2004-07-16, 11:02 am |
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Originally posted by forbesl
How you doin' Danny-boy? LOL
You are a man of strong convictions, sir, aren't you? You still believe 'repentantvoter' and 'dmaftei' are one and the same, even after Mr. Moderator himself (who can check the IP address of posters) concluded that is not the case. You have got something to be admired for, really. Too bad this particular conviction is wrong... But being wrong would not matter to you, would it?! | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 11:52 am |
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| PSUalum 2004-07-17, 12:51 am |
| I know that this may piss off some members of this forum by saying that I have to agree with some of what forbesl is telling you all regarding some questions asked by other members, but it needs to be aired. He's correct that some come here asking unbelievable questions that could be answered with a little bit of work on their part. I certainly do not know everything relating to the networking world, however, if I do ask for help, I at least do some research before asking other members for their two cents worth.
I do agree that there are so many sources for information that, in some cases, may be contradictory and requires further clarification. Well guess what, just dig deeper in your research and find more information sources, consider the quality of the sources you do find, do some hands-on research and make your own conclusions. If this doesn't provide you with a satisfactory answer, then, by all means, ask around, but at least let others know what info you have found or what you have tried before asking for help.
It sounds like forbesl has been in this industry for some time, as have I, and I have an idea of where he's coming from. Spoon-feeding answers to junior or newbie members does not help them become strong IT professionals. It only succeeds in perpetuating a reliance on others to do their work. I may not have the same level of technical proficiency as other forum members, but I know enough that if I need an answer to a problem, I can research and problem solve myself. I strongly believe that the secret to being successful in IT is not in knowing all the answers to every question, its knowing where to find the answers and applying yourself. | |
| Tophat 2004-07-17, 1:45 am |
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Originally posted by PSUalum
Spoon-feeding answers to junior or newbie members does not help them become strong IT professionals. It only succeeds in perpetuating a reliance on others to do their work.
Actually you made me realize there is another side effect for spoon-feeding and its called job security. 
In all seriousness, no one ever argued about spoon-feeding or offering the farm etc. The original argument was about the posting of a te$tking question or something like that.
What ever it was its now played out, things have been said and who knows, maybe it was entertaining. I am sure the forum will return to helping others soon enough. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-17, 7:45 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
Actually you made me realize there is another side effect for spoon-feeding and its called job security.
Looking at the quality of the "hungry mouths" that post here, I'm not worried about my job. The more they are spoon-fed, the lazier they get.
I'm sure a forum consultant has great job security here, although the pay is lousy and it doesn't look great on a resume.... | |
| forbesl 2004-07-17, 10:00 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by PSUalum
I strongly believe that the secret to being successful in IT is not in knowing all the answers to every question, its knowing where to find the answers and applying yourself.
Well stated. I concur 100%.  | |
| forbesl 2004-07-17, 10:02 am |
| oops....dammit... | |
| Tophat 2004-07-17, 12:34 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
quote:
Originally posted by PSUalum
I strongly believe that the secret to being successful in IT is not in knowing all the answers to every question, its knowing where to find the answers and applying yourself.
Well stated. I concur 100%
as do I... | |
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| Yeah, that what he said |
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