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| Lahori-Guy 2004-07-14, 10:27 am |
| hey folks,
i have been reading the sybax book for the CCNA exam and have found that i missed a lot of stuff before taking the exam the first time.
someone just mentioned test king here and how wrong they are. well i looked at that too and as i expected, some of the answers are wrong. | |
| Sexy Lexy 2004-07-14, 12:00 pm |
| Yes, they are.
I edited the question because it was from the exam, sorry.
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| Tophat 2004-07-14, 2:46 pm |
| lex.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but it is possible to post test like question without breaking the CA. Unless you have proof that the question came from the exam just because they look like the ones offered does not mean that they came from the pool. I don’t know the legalities of how te$tking does it, but if someone has a legit question about a te$tking screw-up and there are many of them, this forum should post corrections for learning and discussion purpose.
Now if someone posts a bunch of questions and all he is looking for is for one of us to give him the answer by all means edit him, strip him of his rights to post, flog and feather him, I don’t care. But if someone wants to post a question he has seen during the pursuit of his studies, others should be able to help without your intervention.
I am assuming you are using your best judgment, but it sometimes seems that you are jumping the gun on exam like question. BTW, how can you or for that matter anyone in this forum tell if the question came from the exam pool or from a different source. One more question and this one may be for the lawyers. If you never have taken the test and therefore never signed the CA how can you be held to it? Things to think about. | |
| Sexy Lexy 2004-07-14, 3:15 pm |
| As the member stated that is was test king and then described the question and what was either the right or wrong answer, it was obvious that it was an exam question.
Sorry but corrections to test king errors? They are lifted directly from the exam and you are asking members to violate the NDA from the certificate that most have worked hard for and gained legitimately to help other whom cheat?
Nothing to think about, it was an exam question and the post was edited.
Help is offered and given to those whom study and need direction but handing the answers on a plate is a different matter.
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| Lahori-Guy 2004-07-14, 3:29 pm |
| ok lex,
now i pretty much agree with the other user here and am not sure that how was it determined that it was an exam question.
i just wanted to make sure i had the correct answer to THAT particular question.
anyways, here is a question:
how does ospf picks up the router ID? | |
| Tophat 2004-07-14, 4:56 pm |
| lex,
How you or I feel about te$tking is totally irrelevant to the question if it came from the exam. I don’t believe they include actual test question, I think they modify them enough to pass any legal challenge which makes discussing them no longer subject to the NDA. If they truly are exam questions, how do they remain in business? I am sure cisco by now is totally aware of their existence and would try to shut them down.
Again, it’s a fine line to walk and I think you are doing a good job in moderating this forum, but I also think when it comes to question that are exam like you jump the gun. Look, if you don’t like te$tking and don’t like the people who use them don’t help them when they ask a question. Its pretty simple, however if others are more willing don’t deny them that ability or willingness to share.
Take the question above for instance about OSPF. That sort of question deserves a link as an answer and that is all. Its pretty lazy to ask such a question when the answers are easily available on the internet to be researched by ones self. However, when you have a very specific question it may take the minds of a couple to come to the right conclusion. I don’t know the answer to all the questions otherwise I would have gotten 1000.
My point is that unless you have proof (or personal knowledge) that these are actual exam question you are editing, let it be. Let all of us who have taken the exam judge the person, help them if we see fit, belittle them about there stupid questions if they are not fit. All I know is people learn best by asking questions, and better by asking the right questions. | |
| perfectionist 2004-07-14, 8:21 pm |
| I agree with Tophat!! You are right, man!!!
Hey Lexy!! How do you know that the questions are from the exam pool unless you have all the exam questions from the exam pool.... If you don't have why are you so sure that those questions are from the exam pool? hm..... May be this is how you pass the exam...  | |
| Just Visiting 2004-07-14, 8:48 pm |
| I have watched this forum for some time but this is ridiculous. If Test King is publishing exact questions, Cisco has excellent lawyers to address the situation. From what I have seen they even advertise on this site, so if they are breaking any rules (and I don't know that they are as I have never even been to their web site or seen their tests) then this site should drop their ads. If the ads remain then the product must be sanctioned and there can be no legitimate complaint about a question from their product.
That's the legal answer, but you deal with the moral issues yourself.
-JV | |
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| testking sucks, perfectionist (who happen to be FAR from being a perfectionis... sniff) sucks,
god, I hate to take one side of an issue only to have the edit: *ppl I disagree with*... laugh* of the board speak out and me appearing to have sided with them. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 8:24 am |
| CCNA_forum#ping
Protocol [ip]:
Target: test_king_fans
Repeat count [5]: 100
Datagram size [100]:
Timeout in seconds [2]:
Extended commands [n]: n
Sweep range of sizes [n]:
Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 100, 100-byte ICMP Echos to test_king_fans, timeout is 2 seconds:
......................................................................
..............................
Success rate is 0 percent (0/100) | |
| dmaftei 2004-07-15, 9:20 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lahori-Guy
how does ospf picks up the router ID?
1. If there is a configured router id (the 'router-id a.b.c.d' command) then that will be used as the router id.
2. Else if there are loopback interfaces, the highest IP address among the loopback interfces will be used as the router id.
3. Else the highest IP address among the 'up' interfces will be used as the router id. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 9:21 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
Look, if you don’t like te$tking and don’t like the people who use them don’t help them when they ask a question. Its pretty simple, however if others are more willing don’t deny them that ability or willingness to share.
Something else also pretty simple:
If you don't like what Lexy is doing, then don't come in to the forum. Their are plenty of other forums out there, such as alt.certification.cisco, who would love to have you help spoon-feed them. It's his forum, and until he is relieved of that position, he can run it like he wants. I don't believe he is on a power trip; but so what if he is? YOU DON'T HAVE TO POST HERE, SO GET OVER IT.
We've already had a couple of "senior" members who didn't like what Lexy was doing and tried to have him removed as a moderator. Guess what? IT DIDN'T WORK. Fortunately, those two rarely post here anymore. No loss for this forum, and no loss for those of you who don't have a clue and think you are helping people who only want to use you like a condom for a quickie. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 10:01 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lahori-Guy
[B
how does ospf picks up the router ID? [/B]
Time for a big rant:
[rant]
This is the kind of crap that I'm talking about. Just for kicks, I typed "ospf router-id" in google, and guess what! The very FIRST hit told you EXACTLY how OSPF derived the router id. I've discovered that people who ask questions like this are either:
1. Too lazy to find out answers for themselves and want others to do their work for them.
2. Too ignorant to know how to use the web to find answers.
In either case, people like this shouldn't even be in the business. Y'all just piss me off to no end. You'd be the kind of employee that has to have others do their work for you and still get paid the same as them. Oh sure, you'll have people willing to do your work for you, as you can see; but you'll also have people like me who will treat you as the stupidest person on the planet for not trying to do your own work first. The people who are willing to do your work for you before you try are almost as stupid as you are. They are foolish enough to believe they are "helping" you, when in reality, they are just:
1. Trying to make themselves look or feel good.
2. Too ignorant to know when they are being duped.
Many people that answer easy-to-find questions in this forum fit the #1 description.
[/rant]
It took me far less time to find an answer to that question than it would have for me to post it and let someone else answer it for me. | |
| mikop 2004-07-15, 10:03 am |
| Sexy Lexy has been intoxicated by the worthy praises some gave him regarding his vigilantism in the oracle forum and has been riding that high ever since and has fashioned himself to be the standard bearer of this forum.
There are a lot more options than this forum for cisco discussion and most of us has been very careful in not syphoning ppl by giving such advice. The few "senior" member who you easily dismiss can easily not spend their time here but felt their time here was doing some good. Each of them have better things to do.
It is sexy's forum, sure, and none of us are silly enough to think that we can't pick our asses and move elsewhere. Each of us however, has vested some of our effort in this forum to make it what it was a few months ago and if you suggest that any of us should not have spoken out as we see this forum make a turn for the worst, then what you are advocating is that this forum should not be a community, but exactly what you stated, a quickie. Who gives a sh*t about a one night stand. It is easy enough to do that if that is what this forum is going to be.
The fight for anti braindumping is easy enough as demonstrated by many former members who in one post use dump, 2 weeks later after everyone forget, comes back and wave that flag and be a champion for righteousness. Sexy Lexy posted this rediculous "request" all the while he let this talk about ACL goes on... give me a break. His forum, true enough, but if you don't see the hypocrisy of it, then you don't care enough about this forum, whihc quite frankly, stated because given a choice of disagreement, you advocate that we should just pack up and leave without trying to make an effort to save it, especially considering the members who had voiced their opinion the loudest has the largest sample of the norm of this forum due to their long term participation and any statiscian knows that actually matter a bit to identify deviations that occur in just a few months.
Anyway, long winded and really not at a time of my chosing... but I am bored of this all... I have tried to create my own laugh here and there but it simply not fun playing to this crowd. I have hestitated to pick up and leave, because there are still a few member here who I like... *hmmmm azimuth40 hasn't been around for a while... and darth infrequent, and yankee long gone and quite a few others of "my time" are long gone too...
I will prolly just concentrate on my GMAT for a while rather than jump into full participation at other places such as groupstudy and the cisco professional forums, but I know my time here is done... No single even mattered, but I have also been frustrated with the uselessness of it all such as the worthless threads int eh general forum whose only purpose is to drive posts count and traffic counters... my god, I can write a bot that post more relevant one word association than that! I have been stretching it for the last few months and it simply not even worth a click to check in once in awhile.
late all.
*note: not that I am under any illusion that ppl will be sad to see me go and will post replies, but just as a precaution, don't bother. I don't believe I can cancel this account, but I am not even going to bother loggin in to check replies. I am done. late all... for those that care, just pray that I get 800 on GMAT and that'll be enough. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 10:16 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by mikop
The few "senior" member who you easily dismiss can easily not spend their time here but felt their time here was doing some good. Each of them have better things to do.
They fit description #1:
1. Trying to make themselves look or feel good. | |
| Lahori-Guy 2004-07-15, 11:08 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
Time for a big rant:
[rant]
This is the kind of crap that I'm talking about. Just for kicks, I typed "ospf router-id" in google, and guess what! The very FIRST hit told you EXACTLY how OSPF derived the router id. I've discoverd out that people who ask questions like this are either:
1. Too lazy to find out answers for themselves and want others to do their work for them.
2. Too ignorant to know how to use the web to find answers.
In either case, people like this shouldn't even be in the business. Y'all just piss me off to no end. You'd be the kind of employee that has to have others do their work for you and still get paid the same as them. Oh sure, you'll have people willing to do your work for you, as you can see; but you'll also have people like me who will treat you as the stupidest person on the planet for not trying to do your own work first. The people who are willing to do your work for you before you try are almost as stupid as you are. They are foolish enough to believe they are "helping" you, when in reality, they are just:
1. Trying to make themselves look or feel good.
2. Too ignorant to know when they are being duped.
Many people that answer easy-to-find questions in this forum fit the #1 description.
[/rant]
It took me far less time to find an answer to that question than it would have for me to post it and let someone else answer it for me.
We've already had a couple of "senior" members who didn't like what Lexy was doing and tried to have him removed as a moderator. Guess what? IT DIDN'T WORK. Fortunately, those two rarely post here anymore. No loss for this forum, and no loss for those of you who don't have a clue and think you are helping people who only want to use you like a condom for a quickie.
Too lazy to find out answers for themselves and want others to do their work for them.
listen man, i m neither too lazy to find out the answer myself neither am i too ignorant to know how to use the freakin web.
The thing YOU need to learn is to open up your narrow mind and "THINK" about all the possibilities before making assumptions for other people. i did not post the question here to get into this ongoing argument about the moderator of this forum, or to take comments from people like you, but to VERIFY that i have the correct answer to a question. if you can help, fine, if cant then keep ur igorant comments to yourself. i m not even wasting any more time telling you how dumb and annoying you make yourself look, when all you do is just start arguments and then get ur XXX kicked again and again. so enough for you.
now for dmaftei, the thing is that i had read somewhere and also heard from someone that ospf picks up the lowest ip addres of all the physical interfaces, not the highest..!!! i had too contradicting statements here in front of me, but i got it clear by ur answer and also looking in the sybax book. thanx a lot for your help and time. | |
| Lahori-Guy 2004-07-15, 11:13 am |
| and my question for the moderator still stands that how in the world do you know if the question is an actual exam question. if a question is from test king, does it mean its an exam question..? apparently thats wat you said in your previous posts. | |
| dmaftei 2004-07-15, 11:54 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lahori-Guy
thanx a lot for your help and time.
You're welcome. As for the highest vs lowest IP address, at this point you can bet "highest" is correct; had I made a mistake, gentle Mr. forbesl would've been prompt in telling me how stupid I am.  | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 1:58 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lahori-Guy
i m not even wasting any more time telling you how dumb and annoying you make yourself look, when all you do is just start arguments and then get ur XXX kicked again and again. so enough for you.
The thing about that is, I'm not the one who looked dumb in the first place...it was you. As far as getting my XXX kicked, I fail to see how and when that happened.
quote:
the thing is that i had read somewhere and also heard from someone that ospf picks up the lowest ip addres of all the physical interfaces, not the highest..!!! i had too contradicting statements here in front of me, but i got it clear by ur answer and also looking in the sybax book. thanx a lot for your help and time.
How many sources did you check to find your answer before posting that question in this forum? It looks like just two: Test-king and "someone who told you". If you don't know how to check reliable sources FIRST, you're the one who looked stupid, not me.
HINT: Test-king is NOT reliable.
..... | |
| Tophat 2004-07-15, 2:05 pm |
| forbesl
i used to think that you were a good contributer to this forum. Now I think all you do is blow hot air.
go ping something somewhere else and return when you have something useful to post. Keep this forum a learning environment about the exam.
btw, this is not about who kicked whos what and where or how.. when it comes down to it we should be discussion the basic do's and don't of content that is allowed in this forum. Most of us here think that lex should be a little less strickt with what one can or can not post, that is all.
I realize the irony in posting something very unrelated in this forum while calling for a return to a learning forum, but I am trying to get us all focued on the issue for this thread and the issue for the forum in general so I am sorry if I took you all a little of course. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 2:47 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
i used to think that you were a good contributer to this forum. Now I think all you do is blow hot air.
You really think I care what you think? | |
| Tophat 2004-07-15, 2:56 pm |
| It would seem as though you care enough to post a reply | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 3:10 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
It would seem as though you care enough to post a reply
My reply was a clarification:
I don't give a rat's XXX what you think.
I'll leave you to giving yourself pats on the back for having passed your CCNA and thinking of yourself as a qualified advice-giver.
If you're not going to actually use that certification in the real world, the only experience you're going to get is giving out free "advice" here as a "forum consultant" for every idiotic turd that comes in here wanting to be spoon fed. | |
| Tophat 2004-07-15, 3:38 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
I'll leave you to giving yourself pats on the back for having passed your CCNA and thinking of yourself as a qualified advice-giver.
Well... yes. I think so. Lets see what others think. After all you are just one voice in this forum. The loudest and currently the most obnoxious but still only one voice. Anyone else out there opposed to me giving advice?
quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
If you're not going to actually use that certification in the real world, the only experience you're going to get is giving out free "advice" here as a "forum consultant" for every idiotic turd that comes in here wanting to be spoon fed.
And your point is??? I think its time you test your own connectivity by pinging 127.0.0.1 with comments like that. This might surprise you, but you will find some … in that test.
Who are you to judge what I do with my time, who I help and how. No one asked you to help or do anything. Stop telling others what to do. I will say it again, start be useful or go away. We have no need for this.
Also, this will be my last post (unless personally attacked) on this subject. Although entertaining to read for some, I think it serves very little purpose toward getting certified. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 4:18 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
Stop telling others what to do. I will say it again, start be useful or go away. We have no need for this.
I didn't tell you what to do....I just said that I thought what you are doing is extremely stupid. But that's my opinion, and I'm putting it out there. You know what they say about opinions, though....and I personally admit sometimes I can be a big XXXhole when I think I need to be. Take it or leave it, I don't care. I will continue to feel the same way and voice my opinion when I choose.
The loudest objectors to my opinions are usually the most guilty.
You all opened the door, so I stepped in with my two cents. If you don't want this discussed, then don't bring it up.
Good luck in your career as a forum consultant. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 4:54 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
I think its time you test your own connectivity by pinging 127.0.0.1 with comments like that. This might surprise you, but you will find some … in that test.
Well, since I can't ping localhost from a router, I'll do a check from my workstation for ya.
F:\>ping localhost
Pinging #######.######.####.###
[127.0.0.1] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Reply from 127.0.0.1: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128
Ping statistics for 127.0.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
Looks fine to me. | |
| Tophat 2004-07-15, 5:36 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
Well, since I can't ping localhost from a router,
that is very good forbesl, perhaps someone out there may actually learn something from this thread after all. I guess my "witty comment" did not go over your head unnoticed. Props. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-15, 6:51 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
that is very good forbesl, perhaps someone out there may actually learn something from this thread after all. I guess my "witty comment" did not go over your head unnoticed. Props.
Actually, I figured you were just too ill-informed to know the difference. I could have said "you can't ping that from a router, Mr. Forum Consultant", but I refrained. I guess it's a good thing I did since you are now implying that you were just "testing" me. Good save, and good try.
You'd better pack a lunch...... | |
| perfectionist 2004-07-15, 9:18 pm |
| Yeah right... forbesl is a genious!! He knows how to find information via the Internet. None of us knows how to do that excpet him. I am impressed by you, forbesl!! You are simply brilliant!! When do you learn all that?? My mum never teach me that!! | |
| Tophat 2004-07-15, 9:56 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
Actually, I figured you were just too ill-informed to know the difference. I could have said "you can't ping that from a router, Mr. Forum Consultant", but I refrained. I guess it's a good thing I did since you are now implying that you were just "testing" me. Good save, and good try.
You'd better pack a lunch......
No one has said it better then the Principal in Billy Madison: "forbesl, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 4:14 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
No one has said it better then the Principal in Billy Madison: "forbesl, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
...and so you now got to use a friggin' quote from a movie to reply back to me? There aren't many things dumber than that. Are you at a loss for words of your own? Get a life, man. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 4:21 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by perfectionist
Yeah right... forbesl is a genious!! He knows how to find information via the Internet. None of us knows how to do that excpet him. I am impressed by you, forbesl!! You are simply brilliant!! When do you learn all that?? My mum never teach me that!!
It would seem by looking at many, MANY posts in this forum that more than a few members do not know how to use the internet effectively. It doesn't take a genius, just some effort (which apparently some members don't use).
Oh, and mr. "perfectionist". Use a spell checker (and I'm not referring to the word "mum", so don't go there). You're not living up to your handle. | |
| Tophat 2004-07-16, 9:10 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
... Are you at a loss for words of your own?
why reinvent the wheel?
quote:
Originally posted by forbesl
...
Get a life, man.
I would have to say that the one who needs a life would be you. Picking fights in a forum, come on. Let it go man, let it go, this topic is now dead. Guess what, some people disagree with you and thats that. Lex will have to take what these people have asked into account and make his decisions with that in mind.
More about the "get a life question". If you still consider posting in the thread a sensible use of spending your time then you are the one who needs a life. As I said a couple of posts ago, I am not going to post on this topic anymore unless personally attacked. This is exactly what you have been doing with your time. I should be the one to say get a life man. Anyhoo forbesl, you may be technically sound but from the looks of it, it comes at the expense of a life and social skills. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 10:27 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tophat
Let it go man, let it go, this topic is now dead.
You must not want to "let it go", either. You keep replying even though you said:
quote:
As I said a couple of posts ago, I am not going to post on this topic anymore unless personally attacked. This is exactly what you have been doing with your time.
You are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. You seem to be doing the same thing with YOUR time.
quote:
Anyhoo forbesl, you may be technically sound but from the looks of it, it comes at the expense of a life and social skills.
Never claimed I was a "social butterfly". I'll tell you the same thing I told JV in another post: I tell it like I see it. If that pisses people off, quite frankly I don't care. It's just a friggin' forum and no one here has any control whatsoever of my life, family, or livelihood.
I'll keep posting and if you don't like what I have to say ignore me. Otherwise, you can expect me to reply if you say something I don't agree with. | |
| USHazard 2004-07-16, 10:45 am |
| Actually forbesl's comment about Forum Consultants is quite spooky and hit home.
e.g. No more answering simple questions about ACLs for me on here, any good book should cover them surely? | |
| ACE.I 2004-07-16, 10:52 am |
| eeeerrr guys. Case closed? Yeah? Okay?
1) Sexy Lexy is moderator. He makes the rules. If you dont agree, dont post or dont come here again.
For the one who replies:
1) If somebody askes a question, reply an meaningfull answer to this question or dont reply at all.
For the on who askes:
3) If you ask a question be "man" enough to receive any kind of answer, even if this is meant as a critic or belitteling. | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 11:24 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by ACE.I
eeeerrr guys. Case closed? Yeah? Okay?
1) Sexy Lexy is moderator. He makes the rules. If you dont agree, dont post or dont come here again.
For the one who replies:
1) If somebody askes a question, reply an meaningfull answer to this question or dont reply at all.
For the on who askes:
3) If you ask a question be "man" enough to receive any kind of answer, even if this is meant as a critic or belitteling.
Short and to the point, ACE...thank you. | |
| Lahori-Guy 2004-07-16, 11:25 am |
| man, u just dont give up..!! do ya..!! and now since you have exposed yourself so openly that everyone here knows wat type of person you are(not that anyone cares)... let it go man. i asked a question...someone answered it..done. if the moderator had to say something...he wouldve done it already. no disrespect to your technical knowledge but u know they have a saying..that "if you try to teach a pig, how to sing...u r wasting your time AND annoying the pig".
this is my last post to this thread coz i just dont see it going anywhere useful and i m sure people like tophat and perfectionist have better things to do as well.
once again, thanx for those who tried to help.
\/ | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 11:29 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lahori-Guy
man, u just dont give up..!! do ya..!! and now since you have exposed yourself so openly that everyone here knows wat type of person you are
I "exposed" myself quite a while ago, before you even joined this forum. 'Nuff said. | |
| jennie313 2004-07-16, 2:18 pm |
| Um. I thought Sexy Lexy was a she and not a he. Am I wrong? Boy I'd sure hate to constantly be called a he if I was a she. Then again, it'd probably suck worse to be called a she if you're a he, huh? | |
| forbesl 2004-07-16, 2:19 pm |
| he | |
| jennie313 2004-07-16, 2:25 pm |
| Ok thanks. I must be thinking of someone else. | |
| Eqlypse 2004-07-18, 3:35 pm |
| This argument has been a very good read and appreciate the entertainment in between commercials. My only question is this: If you people are not in here to help people answer questions, what are you doing in here? It seems to me that posting the question here, to your peers and in some cases your friends, people who share the same interests in IT as you, is a great idea. Maybe someone in here can shed some light on a subject that the member with the question is having trouble understanding. This forum is not just for some of you to boost your own inflated ego's by belittling people that you have designated as asking a stupid question. I noticed that none of you posting negative comments had an answer to help the member. It must be wonderful to never have a question about a very difficult subject to comprehend. Obviously when you were hatched and broke through your egg, you had every answer to every single question. Given the fact that at some point I would ask a stupid question, I will be sure not to come in here to ask. | |
| repentantvoter 2004-07-18, 3:42 pm |
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I will be sure not to come in here to ask.
Well said. Try www.icertify.net. | |
| Eqlypse 2004-07-18, 6:26 pm |
| Thanks that looks like a great site | |
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| abraves 2004-07-19, 5:11 pm |
| Unfortunately, I think the argument is a mute point. You are going to have brain dumps, etc. that people intentionally try to "cheat" and get themselves a certification. No matter what we say or do on this forum is going to stop it. So it's just a mute point.
Unfortunately, these people who just have "paper" certificates or even degrees for that matter may in fact get the job over someone who really does "know their stuff." However, I do believe that these "paper cert" people wind up getting theirs in the end. Once they do get the job, they are not able to perform. You might breathe a sigh of relief upon hiring, but after that they are constantly struggling and worried about not knowing the material.
For instance, this is not a joke. I met somebody one time on the job who had their CCNA. Guess what? They DID not know the difference between an RJ 45 and an RJ 11 cable?? TRUE STORY. And you think that person went far with his CCNA. HECK NO! Did he get a job over somebody else who may have known "their stuff." HECK YEAH!
It is unfortunate people like this are in the IT world, but those who do not truly know their stuff, will get weeded out. Those who do know their stuff but are too stubborn to take a test because "they already know it all", shouldn't get upset when someone who has paper certs gets a job over them. Yes, you may know the material, but you need to take the initiative and go ahead and get that cert because you KNOW that people are out there with just pieces of paper that could get the position over you. Just my 2 cents.
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For instance, this is not a joke. I met somebody one time on the job who had their CCNA. Guess what? They DID not know the difference between an RJ 45 and an RJ 11 cable?? TRUE STORY. And you think that person went far with his CCNA. HECK NO! Did he get a job over somebody else who may have known "their stuff." HECK YEAH!
I've seen worse!
I was on a mickey mouse IT course at the local tech college, with one unit networking (I'd been networking for about 3 years and went for a couple of the other units) - the instructor did exactly the same as your colleague and insisted he was correct when I pointed it out, I had to physically pass him a hub (it was a while ago) for him to plug it into to prove he was wrong!! | |
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| bravo369 2004-07-21, 5:25 pm |
| i had a similar problem when i posted here one time over a year ago before i passed the test. i studied using the sybex book and took the boson practice exams and any other practice exams i could find. i remember posting about a question i found on one of the practice exams. i got a different answer than what boson gave and didn't know why. i posted it on this forum and it got removed because they said it was a test question. how could it be a test question when i didn't even take the test yet at the time? how am i supposed to know that? it got removed and i remember going on a little rant because i wasn't able to get the help i needed and never came back to the forum. but i guess according to the moderator (don't know if it was this one or not), boson is a braindump.
and i agree with what someone else said...if u don't condone testking then perhaps the ads should be taken off the website. it's kinda hypocritical. | |
| Sexy Lexy 2004-07-21, 5:41 pm |
| How webmaster generates revenue for this site is his own business. If you have a problem then feel free to PM him and state your concerns.
Instead of posting questions and expecting the answer, why not start a discussion on part of the topic or a subject pertaining to the situation?
More often than not, you will find the answer through insight from how everything works and how it all fits together as a cohesive whole and others will learn at the same time.
Instead of members posting questions and setting the answer up for a discussion.
More often than not, those with several posts are complaining because this type of question is unanswered or the thread closed. They then go on to berate the forum and other members, why not contribute technically instead of adding to the problem people complain about?
This is not directed at any member, just an observation that a few have PMd me about.
The more people contribute instead of just asking for answers will help everyone out.
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and i agree with what someone else said...if u don't condone testking then perhaps the ads should be taken off the website. it's kinda hypocritical.
1. There are many sites that are 100% braindump free, from content to advertisers. Maybe they are better for you.
2. Mods do not control what the owner of the site allows advertisers to show on the site. We're just here - unpaid - to help posters make the right choices and maximize their learning and studying time. | |
| dmaftei 2004-07-22, 9:24 am |
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... We're just here - unpaid - to help posters make the right choices and maximize their learning and studying time.
I always thought a mod's duty is to enforce the forum rules, Dave. Helping posters make the right choices would be an adviser's job, wouldn't it? | |
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I always thought a mod's duty is to enforce the forum rules, Dave. Helping posters make the right choices would be an adviser's job, wouldn't it?
I agree with you to a point, but that's not *why* I am a mod. And I do believe that the rules of this forum are that no braindump material/links are allowed, and I do believe that enforcing those rules will help students. I am not interested in being an Internet Cop. I am interested in helping out students. So maybe I am more adviser than mod in that way, but to me the two gigs go hand in hand... |
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