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| ITNerd 2002-07-19, 8:08 pm |
| I am preparing for the new CCNA 640-607, does any one know how good is the new TroyTech CCNA study guide 3.0? Is any different then the 2.0? Know where I would be able to get my hands on the new troytech CCNA study guide 3.0? Thanks for all your help in advance. | |
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| jeff_j_black 2002-07-20, 8:11 am |
| Zaraspook's gonna get a lot of mileage out of this one as it keeps hatching on the one-poster dump queries! | |
| cross36 2002-07-20, 8:53 am |
| Zara i book marked that to help you and assist you. | |
| birdra 2002-07-20, 4:31 pm |
| LOL. Loved the site. I think it's really gonna help me on the test
Birdra | |
| cross36 2002-07-20, 4:38 pm |
| ITNerd if that's your so called handle. Why bother cheating. All us nerd read books | |
| ciscoteacher 2002-07-22, 7:43 am |
| hehehe
...thanks Zara, I needed that!!
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| getting 2002-07-23, 9:38 am |
| i have been visiting your sight for some time now and have noticed alot of looking down your noses. i think this sight should be carefull in passing judgement on those early in the game of learning networking.
i for one feel that test questions stimulate the learning process. they point out our weakness and provide insight to remendy that which we thought we knew. i would like to see more questions and input to probable answers with solutions so that in the end we might all be as smart as all you critics. | |
| jeff_j_black 2002-07-23, 9:49 am |
| It's not a question of intelligence, just morality. There are hundreds of legitemate vendors of practice exams for CCNA that are approved or at least condoned by Cisco. What we are against are people who come here and use their first and only post to troll for illegal material. If you want legitemate practice questions, there are online quizzes right here, plus e-mail questions of the day. I don't think anyone here is against practicing, just cheating.
Maybe bankers should stop looking down their noses at bank robbers, because someday the robbers might steal enough money to have their own bank? That's the logic that your statement implies. | |
| tknterry 2002-07-23, 11:20 am |
| On the other hand, I believe that "getting" has an important point. All the online CCNA practice exams that I have looked at so far are woefully inadequate as preparation for the real CCNA cert exam, including transcender, boson and cert21. They have good questions and answers that generally pertain to the CCNA material, but not to what one may expect to find on the CCNA exam. The CCNA 607 exam is a test and nothing more than a test. I do not think that, because it is very difficult, that it somehow will ensure that those that pass it have "what it takes" to perform well in a Cisco router job environment. Passing it MAY surely indicate that the successful CCNA test taker has competence in the tested field, but it is merely a test like any other. I think it is very difficult, in large part, because the format and questions are simply poorly designed. Realistic practice exams would enable the test taker to overcome those deficiencies in the actual CCNA exam. I have taken hundreds of tests in my lifetime, and I have never taken one as poorly conceived as the CCNA exam. I hazard to guess that many of the Cisco certified ppl will take exception to my criticism of Cisco exams, but hey, whats a forum for? ------Terry | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-07-23, 5:56 pm |
| I don't think jeff or anyone else is looking down on anyone. Most exams test knowledge on an obscure range of topics, just imagine if exams tested on creating user accounts or asking how to display the configuration of a Cisco router?
This is all common knowledge that anyone can pick up. True that the exams lack real world knowledge and experience on some questions as they are testing that you know the product thoroughly.
Not just to the level for implementation but to an exceptional degree to the extent that you may never use that knowledge apart from in the exam but this is the level of knowledge required, most of us taking the exams know and accept this.
If you request information so that you don't have to learn like the rest of us then expect the reply that was given and rightly so.
Good one Zaraspook.
No one looks down or thinks that they are better, it's just that help is seldom offered to requests like the one that was made.
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| itgirl 2002-07-25, 3:05 pm |
| I'm also working on the ccna and I found a website that has some good FREE practice tests. it also has practice tests for other certs.
http://www.certindex.com/?rid=4222 | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-07-27, 3:08 pm |
| I think that the way Jeff has passed his CCNA recently has shown how just the comments are on this thread.
If you want the qualification, work for it.
I know who I would call out to fix a routing issue.
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| ciscokid454 2002-07-28, 12:36 pm |
| I agree with the poeple perceived as being "negative" in this post..
When I started getting certified 5 years ago, I busted my XXX studying and practicing with the material that was available, I did get frustrated...(I think it was for the MS enterprise exam) and so for the TCP/IP exam I went out and got the transcender..
I ended up trying it one time..
I spent four months studying, practicing and understanding how tcp/ip worked in a ms enviroment, and then went straight to the ccna...I spent about 4 months studying, but I didn't take the exam for another year...I didn't have transcender, I hadn't heard of troytec or any of the other company's, I had of course heard of braindumps, but thought how useless they actually were, seeing as, if I just used them and passed the test, I would be SOL when I got a better job.
Now, take this into account, if you were in school and cheated, what would happen?
you could be expelled, or get various other degrees of punishment..so I honestly feel that or "criticism" of people using them is warranted.
People that get certified without working for it, show up the people (certified or not) by not being able to perform their job requirements, and putting the rest of us in a bad light.. | |
| getting 2002-07-28, 8:54 pm |
| gezzz,
if you read my earlier post you find that i made no mentioned that we should use braindumps. i do think this site needs questions and qualified answers. i have never used a braindump. i would like to see an uderstanding of the subject matter that goes beyond the simple restating of read material. questions provoke thinking. this is my point. | |
| chodan 2002-07-30, 2:31 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by getting
gezzz,
if you read my earlier post you find that i made no mentioned that we should use braindumps. i do think this site needs questions and qualified answers. i have never used a braindump. i would like to see an uderstanding of the subject matter that goes beyond the simple restating of read material. questions provoke thinking. this is my point.
I`m not sure if you know it but Troytec`s are ussually known as brain dumps.
The main difference is that you pay for them. 
I like Boson`s practice tests.
They are not restated questions from the real test.
They are generally much more difficult than the real thing.
I think thats what you are saying we should strive for, practice tests that push us' not ones that give is the real test questions and answers.
Otherwise we aren`t learning. | |
| tknterry 2002-07-30, 3:58 pm |
| In reply to chodan's statement: "I like Boson`s practice tests. They are not restated questions from the real test. They are generally much more difficult than the real thing." Prior to my first attempt at the CCNA exam I used boson's practice tests and performed well on them. It wasnt until I took the real CCNA cert exam that I realized that Boson's practice tests dont begin to compare in difficulty level to the real CCNA exam. The Boson practice tests are a piece of cake compared to the real thing. I was in error in believing that I was well prepared when I was not. Needless to say I am going to repeat the CCNA exam, but this time not depend on Boson. Boson has absolutely no troubleshooting scenarios, whereas the real exam focuses heavily on troubleshooting network problems in regards to Cisco routers. This time Im studying using my router simulator much more than the first time. Thats my nickels worth. ------Terry | |
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| cross36 2002-08-28, 1:08 pm |
| Nice collection of the WTC you have there | |
| chodan 2002-08-28, 1:22 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by tknterry
Prior to my first attempt at the CCNA exam I used boson's practice tests and performed well on them. It wasnt until I took the real CCNA cert exam that I realized that Boson's practice tests dont begin to compare in difficulty level to the real CCNA exam. The Boson practice tests are a piece of cake compared to the real thing. I was in error in believing that I was well prepared when I was not. Needless to say I am going to repeat the CCNA exam, but this time not depend on Boson. Boson has absolutely no troubleshooting scenarios, whereas the real exam focuses heavily on troubleshooting network problems in regards to Cisco routers. This time Im studying using my router simulator much more than the first time. Thats my nickels worth. ------Terry
I should clarify
I couldn`t speak for the CCNA Bosons because I didn`t use them.
I have used them for the CCNP and CCDP "as well as Sybex and Cisco Press and Cisco`s web site and exam notes of course " | |
| aprilbiz 2002-10-13, 9:35 pm |
| I think that people have to realize that some of these "training centers" are giving out Troytech and the like as if they were legitimate preparation materials. I know of one instance in particular. I have a friend who spent an awful lot of money on a program and the texts they gave them for study were ExamCram and Troytech. My point is that before you pass judgement on people coming on the board inquiring about those materials, take the time to find out if that person knows they are disreputable. | |
| Spides 2002-10-14, 8:21 am |
| How else can these boot camps guarantee being a CCNA in a week, it's a joke.......save your money if you want to do a boot camp, get brain dumps instead. I've never done a boot camp but they sound like a joke to me...MCSE in 10 days, yeah right!!! | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-10-14, 11:25 am |
| I agree with Spides completely. How can you learn everything that is needed in a week to become a CCNA? Simple answer is that YOU CAN NOT. Granted that there are intelligent people out there but to learn all the subject matter for the CCNA in a week to be honest, is nonsense.
I’ve been going through the Cisco and Sybex press books for 607 for just over a month now and I also have two routers and a switch to practice upon. Am I ready to take the exam? Not even close. I would say another two months at least before I even attempt to sit the exam.
Boot camps provide the knowledge to pass the exam, period. I met an MCSE a while back who didn’t know how to distinguish a class A from either a class B or C address range. What does that tell you? He was put through a boot camp when he finished his previous employment.
These short cuts are killing the IT industry.
As far as I’m concerned, whoever has used brain dumps should be stripped of their certification. As some member on here have openly admitted to using them it makes a mockery out of those who pursue the certification through hard work and dedication. | |
| twister166 2002-10-14, 12:19 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sexy Lexy
I agree with Spides completely. How can you learn everything that is needed in a week to become a CCNA? Simple answer is that YOU CAN NOT. Granted that there are intelligent people out there but to learn all the subject matter for the CCNA in a week to be honest, is nonsense.
It can be done, when I took the CCNA 407, I never configured a router, I took the Cisco CCNA 1 week class (not a boot camp) and passed the 407 and became a CCNA, I was paper then... I did the CCDA on self study of one week, I passed CCDA as well, that was 3+ years ago... | |
| Sexy Lexy 2002-10-14, 12:48 pm |
| Like I said:
But to learn all the subject matter for the CCNA in a week to be honest, is nonsense.
As you admitted you were a paper CCNA it proves the point. | |
| tknterry 2002-10-14, 12:58 pm |
| whatever.....this subject is wearing mighty thin. As the notorious flamer of the year, sexylexy says, "relax, its just all ones and zeros" |
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