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| huntert 2002-01-06, 6:49 pm |
| I am a consultant and i do read up on articles and see trends in the market.
In an article in the computerUser magazine, they have flat out given cisco the disrespect. I was shocked to hear that cisco is being look at like it is MS.
They said that cisco's value is not as good as internet programming and development.
I am busting my *** to compete in this market and a magazines like that and many say that the ccna,ccda,ccnp,ccdp is like Microsoft exams.
It is very disturbing to read stuff like that and especially since most of the networks have cisco and the powerhouse ISPs use cisco products, like 7000 series routers and upper model catalysts.
Most MS professionals freeze when they see the routers/switches and the teleco side of things. just for the ccda i am reading 2 800 CP books at the same time and using visio, and test prep software, these exams are not easy like MS exams and the magazines and some employers are looking at cisco as an easy cake walk and not of any value.
Companies like sprint are pushing for business frame services and that's gonna require more cisco techs and stupid magazines like that mock cisco.
No matter how bad folks,magazines,critics may put the negative on the cisco track, im still going to wrap up my ccda and the ccdp this year. It's worth it to be strong willed and not follow everyone's criticism.
I do have router/switches experience, 2 years, so im not just breaking into the field, im just steamed that all the insane hours of work/study for a good cisco career gets smashed like that!
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| wbafrank 2002-01-06, 6:55 pm |
|  Treat the article with the contempt it deserves - bin it!! | |
| Yankee 2002-01-07, 4:12 am |
| Glad to see someone finally wrote an article like that because I have been saying that here since Cisco came out with the version 2 exams. Having taken some of the version 1 CCNP exams and some version 2 I can swear to the difference in difficulty.
All this means is what employers already know, that simply having a certification doesn't mean you have the level knowledge you may need for the position they are trying to fill. It does however show that you have put in a great deal of effort and time to achieve the certifications.
Cisco has gone out of its way to say the new one day lab for CCIE is not easier then the old two day, but I have a hard time swallowing that story too, but if I can pass it in a few months, we'll all know that it is. Course when MadChef passes in the near future we won't know anything because he would have passed either of them 
Go gettem MadChef!
Yankee | |
| MadChef 2002-01-07, 6:36 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by Yankee
Glad to see someone finally wrote an article like that because I have been saying that here since Cisco came out with the version 2 exams. Having taken some of the version 1 CCNP exams and some version 2 I can swear to the difference in difficulty.
I'm right with you on that one, having taken some v1 and v2 exams. The difference in difficulty is great.
As far as taking the lab soon, who knows. I haven't done technical work since August, and I won't be doing any up through my lab date in March. I'm not sure that I have the heart to prep for the lab when I'm not doing this on a day to day basis anymore. Maybe the PMP instead.
MadChef | |
| sallama18 2002-01-07, 8:29 am |
| and don't forget ccna is a base exams,first level exam,so assosiate not professionals.
become ccna certificated not means of super networking knowledge about ccna it is only basic.
But msce and mcp means full knowledge of microsoft prodacts I think | |
| pikejl 2002-01-07, 4:28 pm |
| and I don't give it much merrit. The writer for that computer rag probably failed the CCNA and MCSE's both. The only real comparison between Cisco and MS certs is that they are both still in demand and both still very popular.
That writer probably has to live off the $500 they paid him for that story for a while.
We can look at monster.com, etc... and see which certs are in demand and given preference. I also agree that there is no substitute for work experience.
ComputerUser? The title of that rag speaks for itself..... User..... | |
| limsam 2002-01-08, 2:35 am |
| Well I have seen an article which ranks the certifications value.
It goes
(1) MCSE
(2) MCDBA
(3) OCP
(4) MCP tied with CCIE (!!!!!!!!!!)
(Emphasize added by me).
Need I say that even a baby can guess that 'research' was funded by M$ | |
| huntert 2002-01-08, 4:54 am |
| people who compare MS to cisco are pure strangers to technology and are very helpless next to true networking.
So they become editors and try to bash good technology. | |
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| Having had a workmate pass the new one day CCIE exam I can assure you that the one day exam is no easier than the 2 day exam. In fact my workmate said that it was harder than the 2 day exam due to the time factor.
quote:
Originally posted by Yankee
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Cisco has gone out of its way to say the new one day lab for CCIE is not easier then the old two day, but I have a hard time swallowing that story too, but if I can pass it in a few months, we'll all know that it is. Course when MadChef passes in the near future we won't know anything because he would have passed either of them
Go gettem MadChef!
Yankee
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| limsam 2002-01-08, 6:36 pm |
| I accept huntert and teza. (Even though I have no Cisco certification!)
I know the value of Cisco certifications. | |
| Yankee 2002-01-09, 4:12 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by teza
Having had a workmate pass the new one day CCIE exam I can assure you that the one day exam is no easier than the 2 day exam. In fact my workmate said that it was harder than the 2 day exam due to the time factor.
Time was always a factor in the lab, even on the two day. Are you saying your mate also took the two day version? Reemember 90% use to fail the two day on their first attempt.
Yankee | |
| strikeattack 2002-01-10, 9:53 am |
| Guys,
I plan on finishing up the 'NP here by the end of March. I've been Cisco Certified since 2000, but with all the work my employer gives me, it is difficult to find the time and discipline required to do the appropriate study.
I have been preparing for almost three years, and I plan on passing the CCIE written exam by the end of the year, and plan to attempt the lab exam someime next year, first quarter.
I do what I do because I enjoy doing it, its challenging, and I feel that I am working towards something that will give me the respect and admiration of my peers. I feel that I am bettering myself and my organization personally as well as professionally. Oh, and the pay 'aint half bad either.
A wise man once said...
"Opinions are like A**Holes. Everyone's got one, and they usually stink." | |
| huntert 2002-01-10, 2:12 pm |
| I am a cisco driven soul and i have done the MS route before,but cisco is more of a hardcore route and enviornment than MS is.
I did start this post due to a very lame article in a computerUser magazine.
I am almost ready to write my ccda exam and also i am working with pix Fw s now and i have been around an pix enviornment before.
I called a local college/vocational center and they had put an ad in info tech section of a popular computer mag. this ad was for adv pix class .
I did call the school to see what the deal was with this course, the course was dropped and no one replied to the ad and no one signed up.
This school sells itself well to people who want their MS or A+ or web design, But no one called and took the challenging cisco route and tried to make themselves stand out and not be the dime a dozen like the rest.
That article sure does prove its point and is very much garbage.
The article even went as far as saying that a mcse is just like cisco certs, making a statement that cisco is not a serious trend and not worth going for.
Ofcourse they bash cisco and put MS ahead of cisco as emerging technology.
Society does not lie , cisco proves itself as the powerhouse and editors need to have some clue and not just say that a technology is better than another becuase they cannot handle true bleeding edge and difficult developments.
I was hoping to go to that school and assist in the lab , oh well.
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