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| 1) I'm thinking of going for an MCSE, after having just completed my CCNA. Would anyone who has these two certs please tell me if they thought obtaining the MCSE was harder than the CCNA. I would guess so, since it requires passing a number of exams, as opposed to just one.
2) This might seem strange: What does the word "parse" mean? How do you pronounce it?
3) How do you quote someone on this forum (you know, with the word "quote: then bold text with two lines sectioning off the quote.)
Cheers,
Deets
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| 1) I don't have either, so I can't comment. 
2) Parse means to take text and make sense of it. For example, an interpreter parses a perl script, statement by statement, and executes it. To do this, it has to parse your code into meaningful commands. (It rhymes with farce.)
3) On top of every post, there are a group of tiny icons. The rightmost one (looks like a document with a red arrow pointing away from it) is used to "reply w/quote". Simply click this button on someone's post and the appropriate code will be entered into a new editing box for you.
Hope this helps,
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| quote:
Originally posted by TheSkipster:
(It rhymes with farce.)
To better help deets understand, it also rhymes with arse. (Do they say it like that down under?)
HTH!
MadChef | |
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| Now I'll never forget the pronunciation! 
Um, in other words "pass" and "parse" are pronounced the same? Or is there some communication breakdown due to different accents!!
Cheers,
Deets | |
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| The MCSE requires 6 tests for the NT4 track. Some tests are easy and some are hard. CCNA to me was difficult but at least it was only one test. It took me 8 months to complete my MCSE. Also keep in mind the Windows 2000 track is much harder. | |
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| Deets, Just when I had you up there with all the other gods here you go and post this... LOL!
I can't help you with your first question, Hell I only have a drivers license BUT! as far as your second question...
Parse is pronounced Par+Sss The 'e' is silent.
Ron | |
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| Thanks guys.
To chessnut: I had a feeling that might be the case. Hmmm, should I do it or not...hmmm.
To RonSCaInfo: Me? A god? LOL. I had no idea...oh well, us immortals do have our mortal side Took me one hundred thousand similar dumb questions to be as cluey as I am! And that's still pretty un-cluey!!!
Deets
P.S. Come on, MadChef! I'm still two posts ahead of you!!!
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| I think if u were sucessful with CCNA u will be able to do it : yes it is 7 exams but just take one step at a time and dont waste time in too much research...just start I have seen people finish within 6 months...well, i need to ask u something on CCNA? 1. I am finding it little difficult after the N+, I cant seem to get some of the chapters like i did with A+ and N+. How many questions are on Routers (lab) and did u get any questions on IP addresses like u have to find and come up with the solution solving addresses type of questions? I dont know the subject well enough to even give a good explaination. On the whole was the exam very difficult.? Thankyou | |
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| Why go for MCSE? You are on the Cisco track now, keep up with the Cisco exams would be my advice. So many more exams on the Cisco side of things, CCNA is just the tip of the iceberg..... but all the info that the CCNA caused you to learn will be SOOOOO useful for other exams as well. I would highly suggest you forget about MCSE and consentrate soley on routers and WAN side of things. If you are bored with routers, then look to get into firewalls.
My 2 copper. | |
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| Deets,
I have taken MCSE,A+,N+,I-NET+,ASE,CCA,CNA,CCSE,CCNA AND ACT.
I think that Cisco exams are by far the toughest exams out there (including Checkpoint Certification). Microsoft's certs has been degraded due to paper MCSEs. After I am done with Cisco I will go to other certs but not Microsoft. You can bump into a 13 yr old and he will tell you he's an MCSE. But anyway it is up to you to decide. As for me I will go on to Nortel and all those certs that have to do with Routers and Switches etc. | |
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| I must be VERY thick!!!!!
I studied MCSE last year and foung it pretty tough going. I didn't use any dumps though, so I am still proud of that achievement.
I think it wouldn't be wise to suggest that having obtained a CCNA that Deets should forget all other certs. There are too many jobs out there that require NT skills, (even Networking ones). The bills still have to be paid.
When Deets has more Cisco exposure and obtained CCNP then the World will be his.
We have to be very careful not to dismiss the MCSE too much.
M
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| Sorta off topic, well I guess really off topic... but how many people realize that Microsoft is about to move to a "subscription" based service where people will have to basically subscribe/rent the operating system and any additional software you wish to run on it. Now, if they do actually go full swing with this idea... how many people REALLY think that Microsoft will prevail when there are many Viable options at this time that are legally free, open source, etc...
What I am getting at is that MCSEs do not have such a great future in my opinion. It will take much more than just a MCSE to get a job in 5 years. I also seriously doubt that someone having an MCSE will determine whether or not they get a job at a NOC, or in an enviorment where they will really use Cisco Skills. | |
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| Hey Deets, regarding the pursuit of your MCSE. It was not easy by any means, then again I didn't use any dumps. As far as its' worth, I think it is still valuable, depending where you work and what you do. Some people may be able to memorize enough to pass an exam, but the real exam comes when you are presented a real problem that needs to be fixed yesterday! If you were a fake or "paper" to start and don't understand the theory and practice behind it, you will fail and be exposed. From reading your posts on this board, you don't seem to be that kind of person. Win 2k is not easy by any means and is coming into the workplace. Routers, switches etc, all are all parts of the network. I like to know as much as possible about what I am working on at all ends. Just my 2cents worth. | |
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| Thanks a lot for all your suggestions, guys. I just had a dose of reality, that is swinging me in favour of going for the MCSE (it would be a detour, as I want to continue on the Cisco track, because it's interesting.)
Anyway, I was just offerred the chance by my ex business partner to go out and configure a low end (non-Cisco) router for admin purposes, and because the client wants to eventually get an ISDN connection. But there is MS Exchange settings involved, RAS administration, NT Proxy stuff that - although I have a basic understanding of - I don't feel confident in . He only wanted me to do it if I felt confident...otherwise I jeopardize his image if I screw up. I simply didn't have enough knowledge...so I said that I'd better leave it. I know the router config would be simple, but the other stuff...*sigh.
Back to the drawing board...
Deets | |
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| I did MCSE first and found that it helped quite a bit before I did my CCNA. The little bit of subnetting done for Cisco isn't enough for that 70-59 TCP/IP exam. (Of course, that one is going to be retired in a month). I think I prefer the route I took because when I started on my CCNA I looked at the exam objectives and said to myself, "know that, know that, know that, hmmm, need to study that," you get the picture. If you feel that you really understand everything you did for the CCNA then the basics of networking are going to stay the same for the MS certs. There is more to know for the MCSE but it's spread out. Test by test comparison, however, the CCNA is harder (in my opinion) then any of the individual Microsoft exams. As I said in another post a couple of days ago, I interviewed for a job with a lady recently and she was thrilled that I was both MCSE and CCNA, it was a real competitive edge over all the other applicants who only had one or the other, so I definatley recommend going for it!
good luck to ya.
ink | |
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| Hello: I have MCSE NT4.0 and found the CCNA 507 more difficult. But the difference is that when I got CCNA, I know more than MCSE. I saw an earlier post concerning your job search and wanted to relate my personal experience as a way of encouragement, etc. I recieved my MCSE about 16 months ago. My first job was tech support for Win9X. That taught me basic/advanced troubleshooting. I worked six months and was able to land a job in server support with a large software company. Whilst working this position, I was able to mentor with netops people and they took a liking to me. When I got my CCNA, I recieved an immediate interview and offer for job supporting our corpnet. The point is that you might have to take a roundabout way to get into networking. It cannot hurt you to get MCSE it will only broaden your credentials and experience and make you more valuable to a perspective employer.
Hope it helps and hang in there. Good things come to those who are persistant, knowledgable and YOU WILL SUCCEED. | |
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| MCSE for NT 4 is one of the easiest you will ever encounter, However, you only have till Dec. 31, 2000 to get through 6 tests. After that point MS will no longer offer the NT4 cert. Although with your Cisco knowledge, you can knock out two tests without issue; TCP/IP and Networking Essentials.
MCSE 2000 is probably the hardest test track I have seen since upgrading my Netware cert from 3.1x to 4.1. So far I have taken 2 of the 2000 tests, and they mean it when they say they want you to have 2 years experience before taking the tests. With your CCNA knowledge you will certainly get through the networking questions that they ask.
I would not recommend the Microsoft press books, they are VERY incomplete. MS's objective is to eliminate paper MCSE's and they are doing a good job of it with the 2000 track.
I have scheduled my CCNA test for Tuesday, so I cannot compare against it, however I have taken 8 tests from MS, 2 from Citrix, and 10 from Novell in the past 9 years. My understanding is that the CISCO series, including CCNA, is one of the more difficult.. passing your CCNA is truly an achievement.
If you are looking for work, then I suggest you DIVERSIFY. I have been interviewing candidates for several years now, and the one thing that stands out is experience and diversification. You do not have to be an expert in any one thing, as long as you can show proficiency in a range of products, esp. network troubleshooting. Always project yourself as a troubleshooter, and don't be afraid to elaborate on your skills, give them hard examples that the interviewer can relate to...and nearly any job will be yours. |
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